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Title: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: smoe on January 21, 2010, 11:00:39 PM
I would like proposing an option to Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected).

I've missed downing a few planes when only two of my 50 cals fired when pulling out of a dive bomb run.

:joystick:
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: Jayhawk on January 21, 2010, 11:43:16 PM
??

Switch your secondary back to guns, that's not hard.
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: Masherbrum on January 21, 2010, 11:47:16 PM
??

Switch your secondary back to guns, that's not hard.

Shhh.  Let him keep wishing for something we already have.    :rofl
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: guncrasher on January 21, 2010, 11:50:13 PM
I have a button for select secondary on my stick.  press bomb press cannon :).  I also have another button to fire secondary weapons only nice for il2's or deacking when cannons work better than bb's.

semp
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: Jayhawk on January 21, 2010, 11:58:13 PM
I think he knows he can switch, he just forgets to switch from ord to guns and wants it to be easier.  I think that option will come along with the update that allows you to control your bullets with your mind and preform the Vader choke hold on enemy pilots.

Too close for missiles, I'm switching to guns.

Oh and I also have it secondary weapon programed on my stick and make it a habit of switching to guns immediately after dropping ord.  I programed my stick to fire all guns with the trigger, primary guns with a button, and secondary weapons with another button.
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: Latrobe on January 22, 2010, 02:40:42 AM
Get an X52! You get 4 triggers!  :O
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: LLogann on January 22, 2010, 06:49:22 AM
4?  2 on the trigger, 1 under the deploy switch.............  :headscratch: 

Get an X52! You get 4 triggers!  :O
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: Masherbrum on January 22, 2010, 07:19:23 AM
4?  2 on the trigger, 1 under the deploy switch.............  :headscratch: 


Pinky Switch?  I used that for WEP when I had mine. 
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: 1701E on January 22, 2010, 07:22:43 AM
4?  2 on the trigger, 1 under the deploy switch.............  :headscratch: 



2 Stage Main trigger, Pinky Trigger, and the one under the deploy switch you mentioned.  I would guess that's where 4 comes from.  Only used the X-52 a few times (and I despised it), but I think that's what they are. :)
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: RTHolmes on January 22, 2010, 07:39:21 AM
I would like proposing an option to Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected).

I've missed downing a few planes when only two of my 50 cals fired when pulling out of a dive bomb run.

:joystick:

+1 should be default behaviour :aok

If you have your trigger set to fire all guns, all guns should fire regardless of which station you have selected. eg. in a jug you have centre pylon selected with a bomb, B drops the bomb, but currently only 4 .50s fire when you press F. thats not how it worked IRL.

edit: in fact the only option on jugs was to fire all 6 or 8 guns, unlike eg. hogs where you could select each pair individually.
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: smoe on January 22, 2010, 11:08:05 AM
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Switch your secondary back to guns, that's not hard.

Switching back to guns is entirely the problem. When your blacking out from pulling out of a dive, selecting a secondary weapon is not so easy. I like to bring eggs and rockets to a field unlike furballers (with no guts, HEHEHE). When I pull my trigger button I would prefer that all my forward firing guns to come alive (selected and unselected).
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: gyrene81 on January 22, 2010, 12:00:06 PM
Switching back to guns is entirely the problem. When your blacking out from pulling out of a dive, selecting a secondary weapon is not so easy. I like to bring eggs and rockets to a field unlike furballers (with no guts, HEHEHE). When I pull my trigger button I would prefer that all my forward firing guns to come alive (selected and unselected).
They will, if you hit the other button that switches your secondary weapon back to guns first.
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: LLogann on January 22, 2010, 12:59:31 PM
AHHHH.... Never really thought about Pinky like that, cool....  :salute




Here's the thing............  I don't want to sound like a jerk but.........  Your SA, oh sorry, situational awareness is not good, and that's the problem.  I don't need to look at my instruments to know #1 what tank I am burning fuel from, #2 what my secondary weapon choice is, and #3, but little do with this topic, what heading I am generally flying. 

#1, #2........  Fighter-wise, I fly the Mossie, 109s, 190s, Spits, and Jugs. Some have more options then others but regardless, I have a set group of preflight checks that I do..... Mossie as an example.... Switch to LO fuel tank and keep cannons enabled but scroll through to check my loadout.  From here, I know full well the order of the fuel burns and that my internal bombs get selected before the wing load.  Hence, I backspace twice when getting ready to drop ord. 

I never need to look to see what I have selected. 

Switching back to guns is entirely the problem. When your blacking out from pulling out of a dive, selecting a secondary weapon is not so easy. I like to bring eggs and rockets to a field unlike furballers (with no guts, HEHEHE). When I pull my trigger button I would prefer that all my forward firing guns to come alive (selected and unselected).


But what you seem to really be wishing for is something that goes against RL physics and ingame physics.  If you have your rockets in an armed position, you cannot fire those guns.  PERIOD, end of story.

I hear you can do magic like that in World of Warcraft though, you should check it out.   :aok
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: Masherbrum on January 22, 2010, 01:01:40 PM
AHHHH.... Never really thought about Pinky like that, cool....  :salute

Here's the thing............  I don't want to sound like a jerk but.........  Your SA, oh sorry, situational awareness is not good, and that's the problem.  I don't need to look at my instruments to know #1 what tank I am burning fuel from, #2 what my secondary weapon choice is, and #3, but little do with this topic, what heading I am generally flying. 

#1, #2........  Fighter-wise, I fly the Mossie, 109s, 190s, Spits, and Jugs. Some have more options then others but regardless, I have a set group of preflight checks that I do..... Mossie as an example.... Switch to LO fuel tank and keep cannons enabled but scroll through to check my loadout.  From here, I know full well the order of the fuel burns and that my internal bombs get selected before the wing load.  Hence, I backspace twice when getting ready to drop ord. 

I never need to look to see what I have selected.  But what you seem to really be wishing for is something that goes against RL physics and ingame physics.  If you have your rockets in an armed position, you cannot fire those guns.  PERIOD, end of story.

I hear you can do magic like that in World of Warcraft though, you should check it out.   :aok

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: gyrene81 on January 22, 2010, 01:26:01 PM
But what you seem to really be wishing for is something that goes against RL physics and ingame physics.  If you have your rockets in an armed position, you cannot fire those guns.  PERIOD, end of story.
LOL...gonna poke you with a stick.  :neener:

In RL WWII fighters... bombs, rockets, drop tanks were all put on separate mechanisms...not on the secondary trigger of the stick.

Quote from a P-40 pilot's manual:
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"The plane is equipped to carry one bomb under each wing, plus one bomb in the belly tank position. To arm the bombs put the bomb arming handle on the floor below the throttle quadrant in the ARM position. To release the bombs there are manual release handles on the left side of the cockpit."

P-47 bomb release:
(http://media.photobucket.com/image/p-47%20bomb%20release/Skycat/Thunderbolt/Manuals/AN01-65BC-1A_Fig11_BombTankRelease.jpg)

Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: RTHolmes on January 22, 2010, 01:58:44 PM
indeed. ive only looked at the hog and jug manuals but theres nothing to suggest you cant fire guns and drop bombs at the same time. the jug manual suggests it was either bombs or rockets (same trigger, different circuits.)
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: LLogann on January 22, 2010, 02:27:47 PM
I'm very ticklish, be careful where you're poking......  :D 

Not too sure about American iron, I only have a manual for the P38, but as Japanese fighters go, the Zeros had a "dual" trigger mechanism to enable both the MG's and cannon's to fire simultaneously, but more often then not it malfunctioned causing drivers to either fire one or the other, choosen by type of dipswitch on the throttle.

The EW rides probably all should have the ability to fire all guns as well as drop bombs as bomb releases then were all manual.  By 1942 most aircraft had electric arming technology. 

LOL...gonna poke you with a stick.  :neener:

In RL WWII fighters... bombs, rockets, drop tanks were all put on separate mechanisms...not on the secondary trigger of the stick.
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: guncrasher on January 22, 2010, 06:29:34 PM


In RL WWII fighters... bombs, rockets, drop tanks were all put on separate mechanisms...not on the secondary trigger of the stick.




in top gun you can see maverick firing both missiles and cannons using trigger he only changes the switch on his stick.  that's real life.  btw in another scene he uses a button to fire a missile. guess he was confused too.  either way it worked for him.

semp
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: Masherbrum on January 22, 2010, 06:33:08 PM
in top gun you can see maverick firing both missiles and cannons using trigger he only changes the switch on his stick.  that's real life.  btw in another scene he uses a button to fire a missile. guess he was confused too.  either way it worked for him.

semp

 :confused:
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: LLogann on January 22, 2010, 07:00:44 PM
I'm thinkin' he made a funny.................    :bolt:
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: gyrene81 on January 22, 2010, 09:30:07 PM
in top gun you can see maverick firing both missiles and cannons using trigger he only changes the switch on his stick.  that's real life.  btw in another scene he uses a button to fire a missile. guess he was confused too.  either way it worked for him.

semp
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Why did you quote me? I was just replying to LLogan's "real life" quip.  :neener:
Title: Re: Fire All Guns (Unselected and Selected) Option
Post by: guncrasher on January 23, 2010, 02:44:30 PM
hey you made me watch top gun to verify that he used two different ways to shoot missiles.   :D.

semp