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Title: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: Mister Fork on January 26, 2010, 04:23:00 PM
CARRIER WARZ 44
This mid-1944 a-historical setups pits the US and Imperial Japanese Navies in war over control of a single island. Carrier groups will be stationed across the island from one another.  The side that holds the island at the end of the setup will be awarded the CW ribbon.

Setup Details
Map: Midway
Fuel Burn Rate: historical (1.0)
Enemy Icon Heights: 500 ft it disappears
Sunrise: 6am
Sunset: 7pm (some darkness)
Downtimes: 30 minutes for AAA, 60 minutes for hangars, 2 hours for CV's
Field Capture: 50 troops

Note: Island airfield unlocks other aircraft (see listings below)

IJN
A6M5
Kate & Val

IJA * airfield only
Ki-61
Ki-84
Ki-67
Jeeps
M-Series

USN/Marines[^ denotes one type per carrier]
F6F ^
F4U-1A ^
F4U-1D ^
TBM
SBD
PT Boats
LVT's

USAAF/US Army * airfield only
P-47D25
P-38G
F4U-1
B-25C/H
Jeeps
M Series

Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: Spikes on January 26, 2010, 04:29:31 PM
Seems like a lot of fun, hopefully it will be up still on Friday or Sat...i'd love to try it.

However, it seems the planes are a bit lopsided...
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: whiteman on January 26, 2010, 04:32:44 PM
I'll head that way
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: Mister Fork on January 26, 2010, 04:41:25 PM
If the Japanese capture the island, I'll take the Ki-84 ANY day. :)
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: Spikes on January 26, 2010, 04:51:19 PM
If the Japanese capture the island, I'll take the Ki-84 ANY day. :)
That is IF they capture it. :P
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: Mister Fork on January 27, 2010, 02:56:33 PM
Setup is posted.  Couple changes

1. P-38J is used vice G
2. F4U-1 is carrier based
4. F4U-1A is land based
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: jolly22 on January 27, 2010, 03:53:44 PM
i also think the planes are a bit "unfair", Most people dont really know how to turn the KI61.
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: dedalos on January 27, 2010, 03:59:49 PM
i also think the planes are a bit "unfair", Most people dont really know how to turn the KI61.

You pull on the stick?  :P
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: TequilaChaser on January 27, 2010, 04:11:26 PM
i also think the planes are a bit "unfair", Most people dont really know how to turn the KI61.

You pull on the stick?  :P

nope......you need to roll your lift vector then pull on the stick   :neener:
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: jolly22 on January 27, 2010, 04:19:20 PM
You dont want to come up against a pilot who knows the KI61 inside and out.......can possibly turn like a brewster
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: TequilaChaser on January 27, 2010, 04:25:28 PM
You dont want to come up against a pilot who knows the KI61 inside and out.......can possibly turn like a brewster

why not? seems like that would offer a very intense dogfight......... I would gladly like to come up against someone who knows the Ki-61 inside & out...and knew how to fly it against lets say the F4U-1 or the F6f-5?

if I was to lose, then I would have film to study to learn from .......
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: Babalonian on January 27, 2010, 04:34:14 PM
nope......you need to roll your lift vector then pull on the stick   :neener:

A two-shakes on the stick maneuver!?  However will us mortals master such a feat?
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: TequilaChaser on January 27, 2010, 04:37:53 PM
 :rofl well, if you just want to pull on the stick, I guess you could just climb above the fight.....ya know  ;)

or play "loop warrior"
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: 2ADoc on January 27, 2010, 04:40:20 PM
Pull back on the stick to go up, pull back more to go down.
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: whiteman on January 27, 2010, 05:41:43 PM
looks like good practice for the next FSO
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: Karnak on January 27, 2010, 05:44:23 PM
Lovely to see the Japanese side trying to use a 1937 dive bomber and 1938 torpedo bomber in a 1944 scenario.  Certainly makes the outcome easy to predict, even if by some miracle the A6M5s can gain air superiority.
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: AKP on January 27, 2010, 05:44:58 PM
Was just in there.  Nice set up... but there seems to be a problem with the LVT's.  Half of the time they wont go forward, and you also cant get out of them unless someone kills you.  Several people had the same problem with them, so it wasnt just an issue on a user end.

Is this something you guys can look into?
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: whiteman on January 27, 2010, 05:47:54 PM
Lovely to see the Japanese side trying to use a 1937 dive bomber and 1938 torpedo bomber in a 1944 scenario.  Certainly makes the outcome easy to predict, even if by some miracle the A6M5s can gain air superiority.

Guess we need a few new planes from the Japanese list in the wishlist forum.

AKP, in the AVA section someone said the LVT issue has something to do with the wind.
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: Spikes on January 27, 2010, 05:50:32 PM
Maybe they can enable the 61 off the CV, though not accurate, it may help the Jap's cause.
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: dedalos on January 27, 2010, 06:19:30 PM
nope......you need to roll your lift vector then pull on the stick   :neener:

Ha! So, you pull to turn. Stick with the subject  :neener:
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: Shifty on January 27, 2010, 06:22:12 PM
Lovely to see the Japanese side trying to use a 1937 dive bomber and 1938 torpedo bomber in a 1944 scenario.  Certainly makes the outcome easy to predict, even if by some miracle the A6M5s can gain air superiority.

Agreed Jill and Judy are both long overdue to the dance. However the OP is doing the best he can with the aircraft available.
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: jimson on January 27, 2010, 07:12:15 PM
Flew a little today and found the A6M5 to be pretty competitive, allowed me to get a few kills and I'm not very good.

I think it's a good set-up.

Lovely to see the Japanese side trying to use a 1937 dive bomber and 1938 torpedo bomber in a 1944 scenario.  Certainly makes the outcome easy to predict, even if by some miracle the A6M5s can gain air superiority.

Are the TBM's and SBD's on the allied side that much stronger?
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: USCH on January 27, 2010, 08:49:35 PM
I posted this in the AvA but just in case somone misses it.

We got the required troops in (Knights) for Japan and it gave the base to the bish!.... now when we roll more troops they disappear as if an ack is up or its our field (both were not true as we de-acked it again)

then i switched to US (bish) and sent 50 troops to the map room to see if it would turn Knight. it did not...

So basically the knights took the field but it gave the field to the bish and then shot at us in our LVT's. And the knights have no way to take midway.

On a side note the terrain is way off as some LVT's will be rolling on the water from the Bish side when they are clearly not close to shore. and the Knight side the LVT's will be on the runway and still in the water.
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: Spikes on January 28, 2010, 06:26:24 PM
Well, I've been in so far and have:
Killed a running bombtruck F4UD, killed a running 38, tried chasing down a running F4UD, got into a 3v1 until friendlies arrived, once one killed, 2 ran. I understand the Zeke can turn, but come on...I did mix it up with a F4U1A until he eventually ran away...really wish the Japs could have a plane that could maybe match the run power of the others.
Title: Re: This week in the AvA: CARRIER WARZ 44!
Post by: Oldman731 on January 29, 2010, 07:58:06 AM
Really wish the Japs could have a plane that could maybe match the run power of the others.

One of the nice things about the PAC setups is that they really do demonstrate the history pretty well.  In the ETO you'll have comparatively minor differences between the opposing sides' planes, but you can usually fly a plane that will match the one you meet.  In the PAC that is much less often the case, just as it was in real life.  You have to focus on your plane's strengths and weakness to a much greater extent.

Having said that, a well-flown A6M5 is a very difficult plane for the Allies to defeat.

- oldman