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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wolfala on January 28, 2010, 08:27:17 AM
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OK, just to do a reasonable user comparison here.
With my phone (Yes iPhone 3GS)
Video
Photos
Email (With video and photos which are essential to my line of business)
Web
Wifi/3G through ATT (for better or worse)
Music/Video
Reading - albeit at a smaller font.
6 hour battery life + external battery packs
^^^ For me, this was a transformative device.
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With the tampon I get:
No Video recording
No photo taking (though both video and photo would look hilarious if you tried to take them with something that massive)
Email
Web access
1Ghz processor - but no FLASH support?
Wifi/3G through ATT (hard to be transformational if you aren't agnostic to the carriers you can use guys...)
No file system access
No external storage through SD, Micro, etc - so yr still tethered to a Laptop with itunes or Wifi/3G connection.
No battery packs?
Music/Video
Reading at a normal font.
10 hour battery life.
^^^ Honestly, what the hell does this thing bring to the table? To use the Skuzzy parlance, I see the phone as the swiss army knife, and this thing is the toothpick. There's a lot of things I can do with the phone or laptop for that matter which I cannot do with this.
I get it that it is essentially a media portal. But for all the elegant solutions currently out there that offer more functionality - i'm kinda in the camp of having watched Clinton's blow job apology and saying "what the diddly!? thats it?!"
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Yeah I don't know what they were thinking by leaving some of those important option out of it, I mean how much would it have cost them to thrown a usb port on it, or a webcam, I think if they had just added those and maybe a few other features then they would have a better selling product, but as it is I see this being a massive flop after the initial new toy rush on it.
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Jobs F'ed this one up.
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The real market will be ipads hacked to run the android OS. All ipad really is now is a conduit to the various istores. All you need to realize is that the lack of flash support is directly tied to restrcting any free content like hulu. So basically you have apple continuing to push paid content and google pushing open source everything. Anyone with any understanding of internet history knows that free always wins. We're about 18 months away from the demise of the iphone and the ipad will never get any real traction (outside of the above). What apple has is exceptional hardware in both form and function but in the end the failure to embrace an open market place for content will kill the goose.
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Apple had the most profitable quarter in its entire history ending in December based on the iPhone. iPundits iPredicted the iPhone would be an iDisaster, too. I won't be buying an iPad, but I don't think it's a good iDea to underestimate the iDesire of iPeople to fill their iHouses with unnecessary, overpriced iGadgets.
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Apple had the most profitable quarter in its entire history ending in December based on the iPhone. iPundits iPredicted the iPhone would be an iDisaster, too. I won't be buying an iPad, but I don't think it's a good iDea to underestimate the iDesire of iPeople to fill their iHouses with unnecessary, overpriced iGadgets.
The only problem is the iPhone does just about everything the iPad does, and it fits in your pocket, for what the iPad is it's to restricted, you can spend the same amount of money on a netbook and get pretty much the same things the iPad does and more, the only thing the iPad has over other netbooks is the touchscreen, but I don't think thats gonna be enough to get people to buy it instead of another netbook that does more.
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Absolutely no question that Apple has been instrumental in developing an entirely new market. However building demand and keeping it are two different things. Anyone who thought the iphone would be a disaster was a moron. All of the requirements existed and the device clearly filled a niche. The itouch is a much less significant development IMO. We're still 6 months to a year away from a true competitor to the iphone but it's coming. Beyond that android has significantly more potential (IMO) to be a crossover OS that can power smartphones, netbooks and tablet/notebook's. If we separate the 3 variables, hardware, OS and content there is no question that apple is and will continue to provide the highest quality hardware. If we look at the OS we currently have microsoft complicating things specific to it's OS and Apple focused on using it's OS to force content choice. This leaves google as the only player capable of delivering an opensource OS that not only doesn't effect its bottom line negatively but could enhance it. So we have a natural convergence of 3rd party development that operates across all 3 platforms. Google Doc's, Google voice, Gmail and other productivity apps will augment android driven comsumer app's and the totally open source will allow development of a lot of media related capability. By mid year you'll have hacked ipads on android unfettered by apples very limited OS (as currently configured). Android is a fully functional OS. So far the lack of a broad linux following in the consumer market is based on the lack of 3rd party app's. As android grows in the smartphone segment of the market it will provide a venue for commercial development of not only android apps but android capable developers.
What the ipad will do is provide a hardware showcase that those 3rd party developers can utilize to show what is possible. 18 months from now you will have a fully functional ipad clone running a 4th or 5th generation android OS. We're about 6 months or so from Walmart having a 2nd or 3rd generation android phone available on straight talk with unlimited 3G service for about $50 a month. Android apps will translate just as easily to a "walpad" and by the end of 2011 you'll be able to buy a AMD driven 120G SSD android powered G4 capable walpad for about $400 that will do everything a current laptop, iphone,itouch combined can. The real endgame for google is and has been to backdoor linux into commercial development as an alternative OS that is viable.
All apple did (exactly what iphone did) is provide an exceptional hardware prototype for free. Just like with the iphone all the back channel demo's for the new android based "walpads" will be run on hacked ipads. All apple did was give google the platform it really needs to show of what android can do. By the end of 2011 Android driven tablets, netbooks and smartphones will dominate the market....
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Android won't dominate anything until they fix some of the bugs. :furious
The App development for it is very cool and easy though. I'm enjoying the hell out of that.
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Apple had the most profitable quarter in its entire history ending in December based on the iPhone. iPundits iPredicted the iPhone would be an iDisaster, too. I won't be buying an iPad, but I don't think it's a good iDea to underestimate the iDesire of iPeople to fill their iHouses with unnecessary, overpriced iGadgets.
iAgree. :D
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iAgree. :D
"ithink iWill bSick" :P
Now to see who knows the quote.
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Android won't dominate anything until they fix some of the bugs. :furious
The App development for it is very cool and easy though. I'm enjoying the hell out of that.
The flip side of free is a potential lack of urgency. Software will always be hardware dependent so your going to have chicken vs egg. Android is just a flavor of linux and as such is open code. One thing the ipad will do is spur continued refinement of android. In effect the ipad will become a test bed for continued development of the android OS.
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"ithink iWill bSick" :P
Now to see who knows the quote.
Hell that's easy... iHear it from the old lady all the time.
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You're better off buying a smart phone or even a netbook. Both give you more features than iPad. Basically, iPad is just a revamped Newton with a touch screen interface.
ack-ack
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OK, just to do a reasonable user comparison here.
With my phone (Yes iPhone 3GS)
Video
Photos
Email (With video and photos which are essential to my line of business)
Web
Wifi/3G through ATT (for better or worse)
Music/Video
Reading - albeit at a smaller font.
6 hour battery life + external battery packs
^^^ For me, this was a transformative device.
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With the tampon I get:
No Video recording
No photo taking (though both video and photo would look hilarious if you tried to take them with something that massive)
Email
Web access
1Ghz processor - but no FLASH support?
Wifi/3G through ATT (hard to be transformational if you aren't agnostic to the carriers you can use guys...)
No file system access
No external storage through SD, Micro, etc - so yr still tethered to a Laptop with itunes or Wifi/3G connection.
No battery packs?
Music/Video
Reading at a normal font.
10 hour battery life.
^^^ Honestly, what the hell does this thing bring to the table? To use the Skuzzy parlance, I see the phone as the swiss army knife, and this thing is the toothpick. There's a lot of things I can do with the phone or laptop for that matter which I don't do with this.
I get it that it is essentially a media portal. But for all the elegant solutions currently out there that offer more functionality - i'm kinda in the camp of having watched Clinton's blow job apology and saying "what the twittle!? thats it?!"
You obviously are too n00b to remember the first iPhones then. They have to leave a little room to expand the product, get their customers to fork over another $500 bucks next year and maybe even another $500 the year after that.
My greatest disapointment in the announcement is AT&T is still onboard with Apple's new stuff exclusivley... could you ask for any better or further proof that Apple are sellouts to the highest bidder and that they don't give a hoot about their customers as soon as they stop being a potential customer? (sorry but I've always been a PC > Mac/Apple consumer, and after yesterday's news, proudly still will be)
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Android won't dominate anything until they fix some of the bugs. :furious
The App development for it is very cool and easy though. I'm enjoying the hell out of that.
+1
What IDE do you use?
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Can you say Kindle on a touchscreen netbook a la Apple? Not gonna enter my personal inventory even if it were a freebie deal of the day.
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+1
What IDE do you use?
Depends on the project. For Windows, 360, Windows Mobile it's C# in Visual Studio 2k8. Sometimes on Windows I'll use Bloodshed Dev-Cpp if I just need something fast with a console. For anything web based, it's just Notepad++... probably 90% of what I'm doing lately.. lots of php & javascript. For Android I'm using MOTODEV. I think I'm just going to switch all of the non-windows stuff to Eclipse soon.
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seeing this thread reminded me of a MADTV sketch i saw a few years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzhXMbOWHE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzhXMbOWHE)
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Android won't dominate anything until they fix some of the bugs. :furious
The App development for it is very cool and easy though. I'm enjoying the hell out of that.
I'm using a Motorola Droid running Android 2.01. What bugs are stopping it from blowing up?
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seeing this thread reminded me of a MADTV sketch i saw a few years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzhXMbOWHE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzhXMbOWHE)
Already postedhttp://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,282650.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,282650.0.html)
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Already postedhttp://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,282650.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,282650.0.html)
didnt even read that post thanks for the info
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this is what hitler thinks of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4&feature=player_embedded#
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What a chick gadget. Apple makes it very easy to choose gifts for the girlfriend.
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What a chick gadget. Apple makes it very easy to choose gifts for the girlfriend.
Yes, buy it for the SO only to have her beat you about the head and shoulders with it screaming, "YOU COULD HAVE GOTTEN ME DIAMOND EAR RINGS,IN A 24K GOLD MOUNT, FOR THE SAME PRICE!!!"
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FOR THE SAME PRICE!!!"
Maybe from Costco.
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Maybe from Costco.
Ok, maybe only only 14K gold (http://www.zales.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2966600). On sale, $150.00 off. At full price they are the same cost as the iPad.
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:D
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this is what hitler thinks of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4&feature=player_embedded#
Saw that the other day :rofl :rofl
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this is what hitler thinks of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4&feature=player_embedded#
Hilarious. :rofl
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I'm using a Motorola Droid running Android 2.01. What bugs are stopping it from blowing up?
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list
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Saw this on another forum, had to share:
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8753/blutack.jpg)
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Im a big apple fan, but this things should be called the "iWTF" the GLARING features it LACKS are such that I dont even know or care what it DOES do.
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Im a big apple fan, but this things should be called the "iWTF" the GLARING features it LACKS are such that I dont even know or care what it DOES do.
You know I've been wondering about that too, what is it supposed to exactly do?
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Saw this on another forum, had to share:
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8753/blutack.jpg)
ROFL
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The only real thing apple has over any other competitor in the market is multi-touch capable screens. From what I hear they patented the damn thing and sue everyone that tries to come up with something similar.
Its sad but if Jobs had watched some star trek he wouldve known that to revolutionize and dominate the market he just had to release something like their datapads.
even if it was a low powered cpu..if it had usb ports/host, a decent video capability, wifi+bluetooth+3g, solid state HDD 64mb (which it has I believe), SD card reader slot (so the USB and SD reader can function for external storage), mac OS that can run Iphone apps as a feature...
it wouldve been the end of all netbooks, most laptops and pda's.
but.. no. they screwed the pooch with this one. badly.
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You are wrong.
The only thing iPad has to do is retrieve books through a wireless connection or 3G in numerous formats and display them in color. With the larger memory capabilities and Apples market share that alone will get them dominance at least until Microsoft releases something better. By selling this thing 'unlocked' you wont have to buy into AT&T (which is a good thing). Now if you can store purchases from Apples bookstore in an online account folder and download from your library as you see fit all the better.
If the iPad PC application is anything like iPod its not for me but if it is like Zune or Microsoft produces one that is (doesnt hog process time)... Im in.
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The only real thing apple has over any other competitor in the market is multi-touch capable screens. From what I hear they patented the damn thing and sue everyone that tries to come up with something similar..
Actually not true, there are other companies that have come out with multi-touch screens.
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(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g256/BloodyBandage/ipad.png)
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The only real thing apple has over any other competitor in the market is multi-touch capable screens. From what I hear they patented the damn thing and sue everyone that tries to come up with something similar.
Sorry tac but there are already other products with capacitive multitouch on them from Asus, Lenovo etc....
The fact is that the ipad is does less for more $$$, but of course there was so much build up from the apple reality distortion field that the apple fans have failed to notice many of these other cool products launched at CES.
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Sorry tac but there are already other products with capacitive multitouch on them from Asus, Lenovo etc....
The fact is that the ipad is does less for more $$$, but of course there was so much build up from the apple reality distortion field that the apple fans have failed to notice many of these other cool products launched at CES.
The Android OS has multi-built in as well. In the U.S., it is not enabled by default in the OS. However, any developer can use it. I run a browser and photo gallery with multi-touch on my Moto Droid.
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I have a droid as well, great phone and fun to make apps for. I use Eclipse for Java/python indy and Bloodshed Dev for C++.
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Toilet Paper is more useful and you can get it with apple scent. :D
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I have a droid as well, great phone and fun to make apps for. I use Eclipse for Java/python indy and Bloodshed Dev for C++.
Have any apps in the market yet?
Also, are you on droidforums.net?
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I have a droid as well, great phone and fun to make apps for. I use Eclipse for Java/python indy and Bloodshed Dev for C++.
Got Eclipse downloaded just haven't installed it yet. I'm actually playing with Flex right now and rather enjoying it. Building an app using Red5 to let multiple people stream webcams to a central server, and one person pull them up on demand. It's for scenario paintball. People want Land Warrior, so I'm giving it to them. It'll go nicely with my smart phone gps based force tracking web app.