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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Wingnutt on January 29, 2010, 12:17:21 PM
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Are they anti-tank rockets, or just HE?
they don't seem very effective against tanks.
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They are anti-tank rockets. You can kill any tank in the game with only a single rocket if you aim well.
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takes some practice. before the damage / assist update 1 or 2 well placed rockets on a tank would guarantee you the kill when he eventually got killed by another tank. :devil (if you didn't get him)
haven't reallly tried it recently though. I tried a little de-ack experiment with them and they do a great job at killing acks too. With 12 you can get alot of guns ;)
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haven't reallly tried it recently though. I tried a little de-ack experiment with them and they do a great job at killing acks too. With 12 you can get alot of guns ;)
I personally have a hard time getting kills on tanks with rockets, but if you are a good shot they are very lethal. That being said, the 190-F is my favorite ride in the game for de-acking. Come in high, fire 3-4, pull back up with it's powerful WEP. Rinse and repeat. If you do take hits, it can absorb a bit more damage than many other rides.
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The reason I asked....
(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/AH2/rockets1.jpg)
(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/AH2/rockets2.jpg)
(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/AH2/rockets3.jpg)
(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/AH2/rockets4.jpg)
Didnt track or turret him, he went right on deacking the field untill I put a 500KG right on his head.
:headscratch:
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Looks like he was tracked already, and used some nearby supplies (he's back upright in the last pic), so maybe you did damage him, but he repaired it right away?
It happens
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Are they anti-tank rockets, or just HE?
they don't seem very effective against tanks.
There anti tank rockets. I've gotten 1 shot kills against a tigers frontal armor before. Only once, since it is really hard to fly so low, and aim the rocket before you're past them.
And likely the reason you didn't do anything is because he had some V supps right next to him. Thats the only thing I can think of. Looks like you got a clean hit, a little wasteful with the rockets, but thats ok.
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I agree with Krusty, craters are merely graphics, the terrain doesn't change near them.
Only cause for a tank to sit like that is a track...
Strip
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hes not tracked in the beginning, I dont know why but in the film viewer hes bobbeling all around like that, but still moving, he had just pulled up to that hedge row when I hit him, he starts maneuvering again after the rockets, he was in a different spot when I bombed him.
at any rate yea, I had always heard the same, that if you popped a tank with one of those AT rockets it was pretty much done.. Yet I got a direct hit to the rear of the tank, and no result.. hence the :headscratch:
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I don't know what to say. Those rockets are one hit kills on Tigers. I have little experience attacking T-34s with them.
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So he's shaking in the film? He's at a constant angle in all three of your pics, so I'm guessing you tracked him with one of your rockets that hit before you took the shot. And after you flew by with your rocket ricocheting off his sloped armor, he grabed some supplies and kept on rolling?
BTW, how long ago was this pic taken? Cause I remember a simmilar event happening to me. I was chugging along in a T-34 and started deacking, when a 190F comes by and hits me with rockets, then bombs me. I had someone flying fighter cover, were there any cons nearby?
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hes not tracked in the beginning, I dont know why but in the film viewer hes bobbeling all around like that, but still moving, he had just pulled up to that hedge row when I hit him, he starts maneuvering again after the rockets, he was in a different spot when I bombed him.
at any rate yea, I had always heard the same, that if you popped a tank with one of those AT rockets it was pretty much done.. Yet I got a direct hit to the rear of the tank, and no result.. hence the :headscratch:
Post the film, please. Stills don't allow an "investigation."
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So he's shaking in the film? He's at a constant angle in all three of your pics, so I'm guessing you tracked him with one of your rockets that hit before you took the shot. And after you flew by with your rocket ricocheting off his sloped armor, he grabed some supplies and kept on rolling?
BTW, how long ago was this pic taken? Cause I remember a simmilar event happening to me. I was chugging along in a T-34 and started deacking, when a 190F comes by and hits me with rockets, then bombs me. I had someone flying fighter cover, were there any cons nearby?
since when do rockets bounce off of anything? if they did I would think there would be an animation for it, not a hit sprite.
hes in the same position in all the pics because all 3 were taken in less than 1 second. hes in a different position in the 4th because i waited a bit for the smake to clear to post the last pic.
No other friendlies were there initially, I was first "on the scene" another guy showed up and upped bombers, but he never did anything.
(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/AH2/justbeforerockets.jpg)
this is about 5 seconds before the rockets hit.
(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/AH2/rockets5.jpg)
rear view of the hit..
I dunno why, in the viewer he is driving, level. and just before the rockets hit, he tilts all crazy, suspension going nuts, they hit, and then he sits level again..
I was wrong, he does not drive anywhere after the rockets hit, but he also is clearly not tracked.
film
http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/AH2/rocketsonT34.ahf
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since when do rockets bounce off of anything? if they did I would think there would be an animation for it, not a hit sprite.
hes in the same position in all the pics because all 3 were taken in less than 1 second. hes in a different position in the 4th because i waited a bit for the smake to clear to post the last pic.
No other friendlies were there initially, I was first "on the scene" another guy showed up and upped bombers, but he never did anything.
(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/AH2/justbeforerockets.jpg)
this is about 5 seconds before the rockets hit.
(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/AH2/rockets5.jpg)
rear view of the hit..
I dunno why, in the viewer he is driving, level. and just before the rockets hit, he tilts all crazy, suspension going nuts, they hit, and then he sits level again..
I was wrong, he does not drive anywhere after the rockets hit, but he also is clearly not tracked.
You could have double tracked him, when a gv loses both tracks it looks as if nothing happened.
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hes not tracked in the beginning, I dont know why but in the film viewer hes bobbeling all around like that, but still moving, he had just pulled up to that hedge row when I hit him, he starts maneuvering again after the rockets, he was in a different spot when I bombed him.
at any rate yea, I had always heard the same, that if you popped a tank with one of those AT rockets it was pretty much done.. Yet I got a direct hit to the rear of the tank, and no result.. hence the :headscratch:
Ill bet the reason he was "wobbling" like you siad was that he was probably hung up on the hedgerow/bush/indestructable wall of hemp. I would have tp agree on the nice hit, but he must have had supps next to him.
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hedgerow/bush/indestructable wall of hemp.
indestructo-weed? Oh man, we better hide this from the authorities... and to a lesser extent teenagers :noid
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To be clear, Im not "pissed" or anything that I didnt get the kill with the rockets, the egg took care of it anyway. I had always heard the same as was stated here, that those rockets were pretty much a 1 hitter quitter against GVs period end of discussion, and here I landed a hit to the rear of T34, and nothing. I guess anything is POSSABLE..
but considering you have a vehicle with armor less than 60mm thick, being hit by an anti-tank rocket that penetrates 160-220mm depending on angle.. the likelihood of survivability is.. well there is none.
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Here is the way I see it, which could be way off, but hey, it's free . . .
With all the field ack shooting at him, he was probably getting pegged big time even though your film doesn't show it. Right at an inopportune moment, his left track is taken out by the auto acks. As the vehicle leans, your rocket hits. The trajectory appears to me to be through the track on the right side, and then the hit sprite appears on the rear of the tank. To me this indicates the hit took out his track, and still had enough power to partially penetrate the rear hull and engine. Because you did damage to the rear hull and engine, you see the hit sprite. But the damage was't enough to be fatal because most of the damage was dealt to the tread.
A moment before the tank rights itself, both tracks are "lifted", indicating he was double-tracked. As the tank rights itself, both come down, but again I think that is a glitch in animation rather than an indication he was suddenly "fixed."
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since when do rockets bounce off of anything?
I've had HVARs consistently bounce off tanks at 600 yards out. When I'm really bored, I sneak up on a tank driving my P38 on the ground and fire the rockets.
You'd be surprised how often you can get kills this way.
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I've had HVARs consistently bounce off tanks at 600 yards out. When I'm really bored, I sneak up on a tank driving my P38 on the ground and fire the rockets.
You'd be surprised how often you can get kills this way.
Oh , I got to try that !!!!
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I've had HVARs consistently bounce off tanks at 600 yards out.
Those aren't anti-tank rockets, are they? I've never had that happen with the 190F-8 rockets.
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Those aren't anti-tank rockets, are they? I've never had that happen with the 190F-8 rockets.
No, I think they are high explosive rockets.
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I was joking about the ricochet. But notice how there is a crater RIGHT under the side he's leaning to? I'm guessing thats when you tracked him, and then you got the other track. Or he had supplies near him.
And HARV rockets aren't anti-tank. They're just HE rockets that have luck at killing tanks. I usually take the 38J modle, just for the fuselage mounted rockets.
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I was joking about the ricochet. But notice how there is a crater RIGHT under the side he's leaning to? I'm guessing thats when you tracked him, and then you got the other track. Or he had supplies near him.
And HARV rockets aren't anti-tank. They're just HE rockets that have luck at killing tanks. I usually take the 38J modle, just for the fuselage mounted rockets.
Ignore the craters that are there at the beginning, its a film viewer glitch.
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Rgr that. Then my best guess is that you tracked him, and probably turreted him with that hit there, but then he used some supps placed by previous defenders, or that someone had brought him. That or if there were spawns from two other countries into the base, an enemy tank hit him.
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The Pb1 rockets from the 190F-8 are AP. As well as the rockets from the Il-2/I-16.
The 3.5in and 5in rockets are "GP" (gen purpose). The 4.5 in rockets I'm not sure about.
Anyways, I've had great luck with taking out tanks with the Pb1 rockets with no noticeable difference in "toughness" in any one tank over the other. Remember, sometimes the armor does its job. :aok
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They are definitely anti-tank rockets. I landed 6 GV kills with them one day firing salvos of two.
Even the American rockets can kill a tank pretty easily. I've done that numerous times in an F6F firing salvos of two or three.
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When I used to fly 190s alot I got fairly decent with the f-8 rockets. My best was I think 5 panzers with 1 rearm. A direct hit was a kill. The negative with that big nose it's really hard to aim, plus the seem to have a larger drop than US HVARs.
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Rgr that. Then my best guess is that you tracked him, and probably turreted him with that hit there, but then he used some supps placed by previous defenders, or that someone had brought him. That or if there were spawns from two other countries into the base, an enemy tank hit him.
there were no other tanks in the area, as soon as he died the base quit flashing.
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When I used to fly 190s alot I got fairly decent with the f-8 rockets. My best was I think 5 panzers with 1 rearm. A direct hit was a kill. The negative with that big nose it's really hard to aim, plus the seem to have a larger drop than US HVARs.
I think they do. I was GV busting with them yesterday, and I couldn't get used to the larger drop, even at D200 I missed. Kinda embarassing.
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I think they do. I was GV busting with them yesterday, and I couldn't get used to the larger drop, even at D200 I missed. Kinda embarassing.
If you're at a relatively low angle of attack you've got to let the GV dissapear under the nose before you fire. I landed that six kill sortie without a rearm.
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I was diving in at a 45* angle as best I can tell. For some reason, I just couldn't hit with them. I even set salvo for 12, and, fired while sweeping the nose across the target, and STILL missed. I guess I was just having an off day.
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I always fire 1 from about 1.0 out to get a feel for the trajectory, compensate accordingly, then let the rest rip.
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The rockets on the 190F8 are shape charged and deadly. There are a few ways to utilize them, but you shouldn't have to shoot more than 2 or 3 at a time. You just have to be good at repeating the exact same dive trajectory on each run, so you know the drop factor.
I generally salvo two rockets at a time, at just under 600 yards, and compensate my run slightly left or right, as both rockets you salvo will leave the same wing. A single hit kills just about anything.
I will add, that the T34 seems a little resistant. I don't have any hard numbers, but when practicing offline, I have a much harder time killing them in my standard ~40 degree dive plan. A tiger is particularly weak in the "normal " areas to these rockets. Panzers and Shermans.... I shoot one rocket at a time.
I generally attack T34's from a higher angle of incidence, probably ~70 degrees, and go for a back deck hit by the turret seam.
There are a few great gunsights out there that deal solely with the drop of the F8's rockets as well. Since I value my GV time, I will not help you more than that.
My personal best was on a particularly hot and heavy GV-only attack on a field There were probably 20 or so GV's multiple reuppers, piling on a medium base. I landed 14 kills on two rearms...with only rockets. (36 rockets...firing two at a time, only missed a few times...and was invariably called a cheating hack :neener:)
From a recent tour...
Fw 190F-8 75 2 0 18
My favorite GV killer... :airplane:
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Any particular gunsites you guys like to use, or attack angles on particular tanks? I've only killed a tank after firing all 12 after a few passes...I'll stick to my 234 most of the time. :)
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I haven't been able to kill any GV with them, Tracked one, smoked one, but no kill. I like killin' unwary bombers or cruising attack aircraft. Shockes the crap outa them. Newbs usually get on typing "Where'd that AAA Come From?" :rofl
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So a few people start to talk about things under a thread, and your best contribution is to appear like a half-wit and post that? On a thread that was started on the 29th of January of this year......???? :lol :lol :lol
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Wingnutt, thous hast chosen thy name wisely.
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There are a few great gunsights out there that deal solely with the drop of the F8's rockets as well. Since I value my GV time, I will not help you more than that.
And that have the drop for the 25H's 75?
And would you mind PM'ing me the gunsights? I can't aim either way, so you're safe. Sides', we might be on the same side, I fly rook mostly.