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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wingnutt on February 06, 2010, 06:39:43 PM
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Ive had this happen a few times just recently, where in I get a kill and get no kill credit, not even assist..
for example, today I bounced a lone 25H at around 17K, after the first pass he tried to dive away from me, hit about 500mph and turned into something resembling a giant paper towel roll.. and subsequently fell to earth.. no kill, no assist.. no nothing. I landed hits on him, even after he became a subway sandwich.. no because I needed to.. but more because.. well you dont try to dive away from a jug in a bomber.. dummy :neener:
:headscratch:
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I think its part of the new kill thingy. If the planes incurred heavy damage prior to you pinging him then it wont take any more hits, most You can get is a proxy and that is if you follow him all the way to the ground. It doesnt happen all the time but it does happen.
semp
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he was "fresh". no damage. I can pretty much guarantee I was the first bad guy he ran into. I was the only friendly in the sector, and the sector he had just came from (where he took off) was clear too.
just watched the film.. nothing unexpected. .. he sheds parts, take a few more hits from me, and falls to earth... nothing out of the ordinary, other than no kill was scored.
(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/nokillcredit.jpg)
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Jezze what the frig is that anyways it looks like a plane with two cockpits.
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IF it were not for the film, I would write it off as a SAPP member moonlighting as a buff driver, they land em in condition worse than that all the time.
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It is the new damage model. I've had it happen to me a few times. I enage a plane that seems to have no damage shoot it down and nothing.
On the flip side I've hit faster planes that manage to extend away. I give up the chase and go find another fight 5 -10 minutes later I get a kill messege. No doubt some other guy just polished off my previous adversary and is scratching his head wondering where his kill or asst messege is. I guess you could say it all evens out.
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Happens to me all the time!
Thats why I'll NEVER be #1 super skilled guy on the front page of the Ah home page!!!
What a jip!! :old:
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Has happined to me lately.That explains it,thought it was just me.
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I wouldn't say it happens ALL the time; but, it has happened to me a few times also. (If I had to guess, I would say no more than 3 or 4 times since the newest version.)
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Im going to be perfectly clear.
the B25 was not previously engaged, No way, No how, I was the only con it encountered.....
It took off from a base, in a sector where there were no other enemy (friendlies to me) when I attacked it, I was the only enemy in the sector,
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I was once told that if they alt-f4 or disco before dying, you may not get credit for the kill for up to 5 minutes after the fact. (But you will be credited for it.)
I don't know this to be true, but I'm sure the person who told me so clearly believed it to be true.
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he was "fresh". no damage. I can pretty much guarantee I was the first bad guy he ran into. I was the only friendly in the sector, and the sector he had just came from (where he took off) was clear too.
just watched the film.. nothing unexpected. .. he sheds parts, take a few more hits from me, and falls to earth... nothing out of the ordinary, other than no kill was scored.
(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/nokillcredit.jpg)
looks like a badly rolled cubin cigar to me
froger
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It is the new damage model. I've had it happen to me a few times. I enage a plane that seems to have no damage shoot it down and nothing.
On the flip side I've hit faster planes that manage to extend away. I give up the chase and go find another fight 5 -10 minutes later I get a kill messege. No doubt some other guy just polished off my previous adversary and is scratching his head wondering where his kill or asst messege is. I guess you could say it all evens out.
if this is the actual cause then its not the new damage model........ its the new damage model bug
the new damage model is supposed to be if you put significant enough damage to a plane (entire wing off, entire tail section off, flaming, etc) then no ADDITIONAL damage can be taken........
this does not necessarily mean the person who did the "significant" damage will be awarded the kill......... its possible that wing might have only needed 1 more round to take it off..... in which case the person who did the prior damage would get the kill but the person who took the wing off would still get an assist
if you encounter a plane that has not suffered "significant" damage such as those listed above......... then at the very least you should be awarded an assist if you even put a single round into him
if its functioning otherwise then it is a bug that is not part of the intended flight model
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Im going to be perfectly clear.
the B25 was not previously engaged, No way, No how, I was the only con it encountered.....
It took off from a base, in a sector where there were no other enemy (friendlies to me) when I attacked it, I was the only enemy in the sector,
Your OP states this has happened a few times lately. Your OP said you bounced a lone B-25 at 17K killing him with no credit. Now you say there's no way he could have been damaged by anybody else because you know for a fact he took off from that sector and there were no friendlies in that sector. How do you know he took off from that sector if you engage him at 17K? It takes a while for a B-25 to get to 17K.
Just because you don't see any visable damage on your merge with an enemy aircraft doesn't mean there isn't any. It's possible to be missing flight controls or have other structural damage with no smoke or leaks it's very hard to tell if your foe has damage or not.
Batch I'm not saying it's right all I'm sharing is what I've encountered since the new damage model has come out. Wingnutt's experiance seems to be exactly what I've encountered as well as many of those I fly with. As far as when you should or shouldn't be credited with a kill or asst and if this is a fuction of the new damage model or a bug you're barking up the wrong tree attempting to correct me about my experiance. Take your corrections to HTC.
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Your OP states this has happened a few times lately. Your OP said you bounced a lone B-25 at 17K killing him with no credit. Now you say there's no way he could have been damaged by anybody else because you know for a fact he took off from that sector and there were no friendlies in that sector. How do you know he took off from that sector if you engage him at 17K? It takes a while for a B-25 to get to 17K.
Just because you don't see any visable damage on your merge with an enemy aircraft doesn't mean there isn't any. It's possible to be missing flight controls or have other structural damage with no smoke or leaks it's very hard to tell if your foe has damage or not.
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he took off from a 3k base in the middle of a sector, travel south till the edge of the sector, then rode the grid line east till he was in the middle of the next sector, I know this because I was "stalking him" I saw his dar bar pop up from a base there was no activity at, and I started heading that direction, I was in my jug also having taken off from a rear base to get some alt before getting into the high threat areas, I too was by my self. he came from an area where there was NO activity (friendly or hostile) there were no other aircraft in the sector he launched from except him, hostile or otherwise. when I engaged him, I was the only OTHER aircraft in the sector with him.
EDIT: I also checkd the scores (just now) the other player (apex) has no deaths from me.
I have no kills of a b25H this tour.
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(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/nodamage.jpg)
this is from my initial pass, not the greatest run, but if he was just soooo damaged and tore up already, that should have been the straw that broke the camel's back I would think.
He still had no damage after this pass, after which he fired his guns at me a few times, rolled and dove.
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I had this happen to me last night as well. I blew the plane up & got not even an assist.
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Oh well - perhaps it hasn't happened to me because it only does it if you're good enough to kill someone ;).
Seriously though, I'd send the film in, as it appears likely to be a bug.
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I was thinking, perhaps it is a bug, but in a different sense.
Perhaps the reason I didn't get the kills is because HE did more damage to himself than I did.. More damage was caused to his bomber by his overspeed than was caused by my guns
In no sane mind should it work that way...
just postulating I guess.
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It's happening alot more than it should, new damage model or not. I've seen this happen more than a couple times per tour and while I'm not as score oriented as some player, it's nice to get credit for a kill, especially when you're the only one in the dern sector. Another example of whiner catering service, in this case kill stealing whines at the expense of the rest of the community? Nah, probably just lag.
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From the pic yes it seems no damage at all. Dunno what to tell you it happens to me as well. I just assume somebody else hit him hard and move on to the next.
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Unless he was PW.... strange otherwise...
If it was a SAPPer he may have been in SAPP mode and did a .denykill :D
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From the pic yes it seems no damage at all. Dunno what to tell you it happens to me as well. I just assume somebody else hit him hard and move on to the next.
Nobody got credit for a kill, according to the stats he has only died once in the 25H and that was to a wirble.
I doubt he was shot up really bad by a wirble when leaving his base, then still climbed to 17k and met me...
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Ive had this happen a few times just recently, where in I get a kill and get no kill credit, not even assist..
for example, today I bounced a lone 25H at around 17K, after the first pass he tried to dive away from me, hit about 500mph and turned into something resembling a giant paper towel roll.. and subsequently fell to earth.. no kill, no assist.. no nothing. I landed hits on him, even after he became a subway sandwich.. no because I needed to.. but more because.. well you dont try to dive away from a jug in a bomber.. dummy :neener:
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About three or four weeks ago it happened to me in a F4U-1C also. It was consistent for two days. First 2 kills registered fine but nothing after that. I think 3 shorties total. May have films of it. Only noticed it in that plane.
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It's happening alot more than it should, new damage model or not. I've seen this happen more than a couple times per tour and while I'm not as score oriented as some player, it's nice to get credit for a kill, especially when you're the only one in the dern sector. Another example of whiner catering service, in this case kill stealing whines at the expense of the rest of the community? Nah, probably just lag.
Couldn't fit a PoTW whine in there someplace? You're slipping whine.... erm twitchy.
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You guys are funny. Come on, say it!!!! B - U - G :lol See, no lightning struck me when I wrote that :rofl
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I heard it only happens when you fly dweeb rides. :noid :neener:
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I heard it only happens when you fly dweeb rides. :noid
You don't expect me to vulch in a C202 now, do you? :D
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You don't expect me to vulch in a C202 now, do you? :D
I'd be more impressed anyway. :D
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I noted last night a probable kill that I got no message for, I think it was my first "kill" for the evening too. It was a rare guns solution, with the target inverted below me and heading in the opposite direction. I put a real strong burst dead into the underside of his cowel and engine. Definite damage and an oil hit was made on him, but I suspect he lost his engine outright. Maybe he ditched I figure, but it would of had to of been a successful ditch manuver from 2-3k in the time it took me to turn my ride around from the initial BnZ manuver I made on him as I attempt to finish him off by comming back down and sattleing up on his rear (a nearly impossible feat).
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I noted last night a probable kill that I got no message for, I think it was my first "kill" for the evening too. It was a rare guns solution, with the target inverted below me and heading in the opposite direction. I put a real strong burst dead into the underside of his cowel and engine. Definite damage and an oil hit was made on him, but I suspect he lost his engine outright. Maybe he ditched I figure, but it would of had to of been a successful ditch manuver from 2-3k in the time it took me to turn my ride around from the initial BnZ manuver I made on him as I attempt to finish him off by comming back down and sattleing up on his rear (a nearly impossible feat).
My guy made a ditch, but not in the sense that you mean..
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Couldn't fit a PoTW whine in there someplace? You're slipping whine.... erm twitchy.
Please sit down, you're starting to squeak. :aok
-Twitchy
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I have had this happen several times as well along with unusual discoes.
B-U-.........? Not going to say it. :bolt:
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Please sit down, you're starting to squeak. :aok
-Twitchy
You've yet to stop squeaking chump. :neener:
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In two days, I've been shorted out of three kills. I got a film of the one tonight, reckon if I sent it in I'd get my perkies and score adjustment? Seems to me that the fix coading for the kill stealing whines has affected us all. I've heard rumors that the kill will show up on your stats later even if it doesn't confirm one in the text buffer, can anybody verify that?
-Twitchy
Oh, and Bronk, Yawn.
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Here is something weird that happen. I (kight) was over a Bish base in a big fight. SEsaber (bish) end up shooting me down over his base and on the text buffer it showed that i landed two kills. We (kights) did not capture the base at all and SEsaber got the created for killing me. SEsaber and I communicated IP on how that happen and stump.
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... or: Why sometimes you only thought you had shot down your enemy!
There I was two days ago, mindlessly bombing ´GV's, err: bravely defending A1 in my B5N as this 190D came along and removed my wing:
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/235/miracle1r.jpg)
I was falling down from 2500ft AGL towards my certain death
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6679/miracle2r.jpg)
But I didn't give up... I noticed my fall being rather slow, so I dropped my remaining flap and remaining gear to further increase drag
(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/8149/miracle3r.jpg)
I has falling almost vertically now
And then there was that tree. It's the first time ever that I was glad about flying into a tree!
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1296/miracle4r.jpg)
That tree slowed my fall even more, and I ended up with a ditch!
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1763/miracle5r.jpg)
I can imagine my enemy thinking "I removed his wing and didn't get a kill, not even an assist? BS!" :lol
A rather extreme example, but it should remind you: We often don't know the whole story behind the things we see. With tens of thousands of fights each day, odd things are going to happen.
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lol! Awesome Lusche :rofl
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That was a landing worthy of S.A.P.P. Lusche :aok
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In two days, I've been shorted out of three kills. I got a film of the one tonight, reckon if I sent it in I'd get my perkies and score adjustment? Seems to me that the fix coading for the kill stealing whines has affected us all. I've heard rumors that the kill will show up on your stats later even if it doesn't confirm one in the text buffer, can anybody verify that?
-Twitchy
Oh, and Bronk, Yawn.
Here is a thought. Why not put the film in the "Bug reports"" section, instead of being a chronic whiner? That way if it is indeed a bug they can fix it. Ohh wait that would be helping the community instead of whining about it. Forgot being non-whiny/helpful is not your style.... my bad. :aok
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... or: Why sometimes you only thought you had shot down your enemy!
There I was two days ago, mindlessly bombing ´GV's, err: bravely defending A1 in my B5N as this 190D came along and removed my wing:
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/235/miracle1r.jpg)
I was falling down from 2500ft AGL towards my certain death
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6679/miracle2r.jpg)
But I didn't give up... I noticed my fall being rather slow, so I dropped my remaining flap and remaining gear to further increase drag
(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/8149/miracle3r.jpg)
I has falling almost vertically now
And then there was that tree. It's the first time ever that I was glad about flying into a tree!
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1296/miracle4r.jpg)
That tree slowed my fall even more, and I ended up with a ditch!
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1763/miracle5r.jpg)
I can imagine my enemy thinking "I removed his wing and didn't get a kill, not even an assist? BS!" :lol
A rather extreme example, but it should remind you: We often don't know the whole story behind the things we see. With tens of thousands of fights each day, odd things are going to happen.
I dont think the bomber fell several thousand feet with no wings, tail or anything else and got a ditch.
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{snip} I've heard rumors that the kill will show up on your stats later even if it doesn't confirm one in the text buffer, can anybody verify that?
-Twitchy
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EDIT: I also checkd the scores (just now) the other player (apex) has no deaths from me.
I have no kills of a b25H this tour.
Apparently not with this bug - although I too was once told that if the player disco's after you damage him, you'd get credit later.
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