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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: stealth on February 09, 2010, 10:06:36 PM
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Help please how do you aim the 30mm 37 and 40 what convergence and anybody got any custom gunsight's for firing the 30mm.I wanna learn how to aim the p39 for snapshot and I cant hit a a bomber from 200feet out from this thing I can just takes like 10rounds just to hit it. :cry
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Hi Stealth,
I can't speak for the 37 and 40mm as I rarely use them... but using the Mk 108 (30mm) -- I have my convergence set to 300. You can set it out farther if you plan on lobbing shells from 600 yds out I suppose but I usually limit my shots to crossing snapshots or wait until I'm <300yards. It takes a lot of practice and you need to lead a LOT (think twice the amount required using 20mm).... I suggest you check out this thread Grizz posted a while back:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,280043.0.html
Cursed
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First I'd suggest you goto the training arena and turn on the LCG.
This is the lead calculating gunsite,ctrl+tab will enable "friendly lock" then just tab your target and the LCG will appear.
There will be 2 green crosshairs to show you where to aim to hit the target,the green crosshair farthest from your target will likely be for the larger caliber weapons.
always ask permission before shooting someone but I'm sure if you ask many will co-operate with you. If you see me online,I'll gladly play target for you so you can get some practice in,check trainers calander for available times.
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I generally have pretty poor aim, but I've had some success flyin' my 'ol P-39D and I even occasionally hit something with that darned cannon. First off, get close, really close. I try not to fire at much over 200 yards with the 37mm. Secondly at first you're probably not leading enough, the shell trajectory is fairly flat but the round is very slow, I'd guesstimate that you're looking at about double what you would do with a .50 cal round. The final thing is to really try to fire down the fuselage rather than at the wings. If you can fire down the center of the target it will give you a much larger margin for error.
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Well also is the 109k4 and G14 good for killing bomber's like edleast 3 like let's say a B17 anf if it isnt what's a plane that is that can still dogfight after or before it shoot's up the B17.
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wut?
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Well also is the 109k4 and G14 good for killing bomber's like edleast 3 like let's say a B17 anf if it isnt what's a plane that is that can still dogfight after or before it shoot's up the B17.
k4 is good for edleast 4 bombers kills beecause its got a 30mm gun. Beecause it can go climb realy realy realy fast it is the best at getting up to where they are at. Its good in a dogfight if you have teh skillz to keep it in a vertical fight and like hit with the tater.
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30mm is overrated for killing bombers. Unless you are in a jet and have 4 of em.
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30mm is overrated for killing bombers. Unless you are in a jet and have 4 of em.
Nah. The 190A-8 does just fine with only 2 30mm + 2 20mm. The A8 and 110G-2, both with the big gun packages, are two of the best buff killers in the game plus they are both much more durable than a 262.
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Nah. The 190A-8 does just fine with only 2 30mm + 2 20mm. The A8 and 110G-2, both with the big gun packages, are two of the best buff killers in the game plus they are both much more durable than a 262.
LOL, well I was more referring to the Ta152, 109K4, and G14s with only the one Mk108 hub cannon, but I still don't think 30mm does a very good job considering how many taters it takes to get the job done. Give me a P47 or a Typhoon and I'll take out twice as many buffs than a Ta152.
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LOL, well I was more referring to the Ta152, 109K4, and G14s with only the one Mk108 hub cannon, but I still don't think 30mm does a very good job considering how many taters it takes to get the job done. Give me a P47 or a Typhoon and I'll take out twice as many buffs than a Ta152.
I've had similar experiences with the P-39, the 37mm is actually a pretty poor bomber killer. A single round often does not do critical damage to a single component on a bomber, and the low ROF and slow moving round makes it very tough (for me) to land multiple rounds in the same spot. At least that's the case considering the high angle of attack that tends to be the safest approach to a bomber. A low deflection, tail shot would make grouping 2-3 rounds closer together to bringing the bomber down easier but it also exposes the attacker and gives the gunner in the bomber a pretty easy shot.
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I've had similar experiences with the P-39, the 37mm is actually a pretty poor bomber killer. A single round often does not do critical damage to a single component on a bomber, and the low ROF and slow moving round makes it very tough (for me) to land multiple rounds in the same spot. At least that's the case considering the high angle of attack that tends to be the safest approach to a bomber. A low deflection, tail shot would make grouping 2-3 rounds closer together to bringing the bomber down easier but it also exposes the attacker and gives the gunner in the bomber a pretty easy shot.
Yep. If you set up very good angles and get close in the Ta152 or K4, you can still be pretty lethal but you'll usually waste most of your taters killing a formation. I've noticed it usually takes 5-7 direct tater hits to kill a bomber, and that doesn't include all the misses.
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I just need practice shooting the taters on the 262. Any other German plane with a 30mm I have a good chance of hitting with. It's the extra 200mph that throws me off :/
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I just need practice shooting the taters on the 262. Any other German plane with a 30mm I have a good chance of hitting with. It's the extra 200mph that throws me off :/
I always hit with the 30mm on the 262, usually a split second before the rest of my plane hits. :D
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Nah. The 190A-8 does just fine with only 2 30mm + 2 20mm. The A8 and 110G-2, both with the big gun packages, are two of the best buff killers in the game plus they are both much more durable than a 262.
Given that the ballistics difference between the 20mms and 30mms is so great, is there really any point to taking that load out?
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Yes, just set convergence close, shoot close, and accept that the 20's and the 30's are going to hit at different spots.
Example, come in from high and to the side, light up one wing. If you judge it right they'll all hit, and the wing will more or less evaporate.
Secret to buff hunting is to not put rounds into big empty fuselage. But concentrate your fire where it does the most good.
Also no level bomber that is in AH will fly with a missing wingtip. Some fighters will, but the bombers all fall away into uncontrolled flight once they lose a wingtip.
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Given that the ballistics difference between the 20mms and 30mms is so great, is there really any point to taking that load out?
The difference in weight is only about 200 lbs, it really depends on what you're hunting, fighters or buffs.
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Help please how do you aim the 30mm 37 and 40 what convergence and anybody got any custom gunsight's for firing the 30mm.I wanna learn how to aim the p39 for snapshot and I cant hit a a bomber from 200feet out from this thing I can just takes like 10rounds just to hit it. :cry
I cant speak for the larger guns, but hitting with the tater, in my opinion, is more a product of position and timing than raw "aim," as evidenced by my inability to hit anything short of an aircraft carrier in a dead six position.
The dispersion of the rounds is so great that trying to be a sharpshooter with the 108 is pretty difficult. The longest tater shot I ever made was in excess of 650 meters and it was blind luck (it was also Pacer :neener: ). Typically, I dont fire until within say... 250 - better still under 150.
Against all aircraft, you need to be able to predict the flightpath of the EAC and position your nose, with your wings perpendicular to that flight path, in such a way as to allow for a crossing snapshot. "Continuous lead" shots are difficult and I wont even waste my time (or ammo) pulling the trigger, frankly.
The requirements are slightly less strict in a 262, however, as you have four guns as opposed to the K4's or 152's single hub gun. In that case, you can be more liberal with your trigger finger.
Two great pieces of advice I received were (credit to moot and grizz) "aim to hit with the first round" (in single-30mm AC) and "expand the convergence differential" (in 262).
That is, when you fire that snapshot in the K4, throw 3-5 rounds out, maximum, and aim to hit with the first. Surprisingly, this leads to much better accuracy (for me, anyway).
With respect to the 262, a separation of about 50 yards between the upper and lower guns provides a great shotgun effect - with every round being potentially lethal. There is, in other words, no reason to use a narrow cone of fire as you would with 50's.
Practice makes perfect, as with all things. It would not be a waste of your time to simply log in in "offline" mode and experiment with convergences, lead, etc against drones. Cant hit something pulling evasives until you can hit something relatively straight and level.
EDIT: To echo some other comments, I also avoid buffs in the K4. While it may have been fantastic in WWII for putting maximum destructive power in the air in a minimum amount of time, you need to consider the differences between how buffs were attacked in reality - and in AH.
In reality, you made a single pass, usually head on, 95% of the time. Theoretically, this freed you to loose all 60 rounds at a single target before bugging out.
Since a single pass and a bug out is no fun (and we cant die paying a game), the ammo load is insufficient, in my opinion, to deal with anything more than say... three buffs... if the 50's dont knock out your radiator, first.
As has been previously stated; I'd rather have a Jug or even a Corsair for the task and I'd even leave the cannon Hog at home. If I had an A8, I'd rather use the 4x151/20's than add 30's to the mix. 4x151/20's is more than enough firepower to hit any bomber hard enough to pop it and it doesnt matter how destructive the 30 is, by comparison, if you cant hit with it.
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Another thing you should consider is setting up your shot.
I when I fly the 109K or G-14 w/ the 30mm I have to position myself for different TYPES of shots than when I am in other rides. (read: niki, or .50 cal bird)
I use slightly diff. angles and closures. I strive to be closer (under 400, more like 200-300) and at a slightly more severe angle if I am going for a deflection shot. (I want a large profile of the nme when I shoot)
You want to not only practice aim but position as well.
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Aiming with the 37mm+ guns in mind as a primary weapon, use the mgs as a tool to get the target to turn, and then pull a snapshot of 1.5 what the .50s would need, and double what the .303s need.
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Given that the ballistics difference between the 20mms and 30mms is so great, is there really any point to taking that load out?
A million times yes. The ballistics aren't much of a problem on most kills. When you hit you see it.
A 30mm is like 3 20mm, regardless if it only has 55 rounds. Flying a heavy 190a8 is like firing 8x 20mm at a target (explosion wise)!
It's very worth it, if you're going after something that needs that much firepower. If you're dogfighting it'll hurt. Sure you'll get one kill that'll make you laugh your butt off with glee (poof, BOOM, kill scored!) until you realize the rest of the furball knows you're there and comes in behind you. Then your goose is cooked.
P.S, the AH modeling has the 2x Mk108 30mm with 110 rounds of ammo weighing in at 531 pounds (much heavier than in real life) and has the 2x MG151/20 20mm with 280 rounds weighing in at 322 pounds (noticably lighter than real life).
So while the punch is lacking IMO with the 4x20mm package, you're actually much better off with the leftover weight. If you want to mix it up (at least a bit) and still have the punch to knock out IL2s or bombers, take the 4-gun option.