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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Golfer on February 10, 2010, 10:14:39 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80x4tzk4j_I
Do any of our members here know where this might be from? Thanks.
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Dude, first rule of the internets and life in general... read the comments. :D
For Those We Love
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Expanding the comments on this machine doesn't show any of the supposed 49 comments.
Moreover how about any first hand reviews of the film from our Japanese members or whomever may have seen it.
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Dude, first rule of the internets and life in general... read the comments. :D
For Those We Love
yep, i trying to get movie. A lot of people in Japan are not happy about the movie. It is about Kamikazes. Really good fighting scene, better than any WWII movies i have seen.
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That was awesome!
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Gonna rent it and see how it is, I'll let you guys know probably after the weekend sometime.
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wow looks great
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Not a commonly available movie, I've ordered a copy on ebay from australia or malasia or some such place.
Suppose to have english subtitles.
I'll post comments when I get it.
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Gonna rent it and see how it is, I'll let you guys know probably after the weekend sometime.
It's a good movie, the battle scenes are excellent and the acting is also well done. The only gripe I have is that while the action and acting is excellent, the story itself is rather on the repetitive side.
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yep, i trying to get movie. A lot of people in Japan are not happy about the movie. It is about Kamikazes. Really good fighting scene, better than any WWII movies i have seen.
Of course they're not happy. They've done a fine job covering up the atrocities committed in WW2 as well. It's simply not taught in school.
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the cgi was good but the actual fighting in the scenes were... well, badly made imo.
Reminded me too much of the soap animes where they seem to freeze all reality while the characters yell each other's name in dramatic fashion.
The flak barrage was, oth, WOW.
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Of course they're not happy. They've done a fine job covering up the atrocities committed in WW2 as well. It's simply not taught in school.
Yea, it is hard to face what you done in the pass. Kind like what U.S. did to Native American Indians.
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War's over fellas. Movie looks real good though, thanks Golfer.
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Yea, it is hard to face what you done in the pass. Kind like what U.S. did to Native American Indians.
Actually that IS taught in our schools. My son is doing a project of one aspect of that time in our history now.(Wounded Knee)
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Actually that IS taught in our schools. My son is doing a project of one aspect of that time in our history now.(Wounded Knee)
need any info, will be glad to help you out. That is one area that i study in college, Native American History.
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Of course they're not happy. They've done a fine job covering up the atrocities committed in WW2 as well. It's simply not taught in school.
Actually, it was well received by the Japanese when it premiered and most of the protests came from the Koreans and Chinese governments. The only real controversy amongst the Japanese to the film was that the writer is the governor of Tokyo.
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Actually, it was well received by the Japanese when it premiered and most of the protests came from the Koreans and Chinese governments. The only real controversy amongst the Japanese to the film was that the writer is the governor of Tokyo.
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Yea, i thought that was funny. I may have misunderstood about the people of Japan that protest the movie.
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The movie doesn't glorify the war or the actions of anyone. It's a sad story about the real teenagers who were coerced to sacrifice their lives. It's about young people being sent to their slaughter, as they always are, by older men. The message is the futility of it all.
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Really good fighting scene, better than any WWII movies i have seen.
But it starts with a HOfest! :D
Very good video nonetheless!
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But it starts with a HOfest!
LOL, i started to laugh when i saw that.
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Ore wa Kimi no tame ni shinu. Or (I will die for you).
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Hopefully the DVD version will reach our shores! Nice clip of something. Hope the rest is just as good.
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Here is one on the battleship Yamato
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaWP7ONvhpY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaWP7ONvhpY)
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Yea, it is hard to face what you done in the pass. Kind like what U.S. did to Native American Indians.
Well, but the Indians were uncivilized savages, so it is hardly in any way at all similar. Plus almost a century passed between these events. Civilization had become more civilized during that time. So the actions of the Japanese during WWII was far more different from the norm in its period.
Plus there was no real plan to wipe out the American Indians. If there had been one, there would be none alive today. In contrast, the government of Japan totally orchestrated the horrors they visited upon China, Korea, and several other nations. Even today, diplomatic relations between Japan and both China and Korea remain strained.
It was a combination of many factors that devastated Native American Indian populations. Disease killed far, far more than were killed by men. And that was simply nature at work.
My own great great grandfather killed 3 of them in an incident while traveling from Missouri to California in 1854. The wagon train that he was part of could not afford to let the small band of Indian warriors continue to trail them. So he and several other men rode out in the opposite direction, and then circled around and ambushed the Indians as they continued to shadow the wagon train. Indians were infamous at being horse thieves, and they were very fearful that they were waiting for an opportunity to steal their horses. So they clearly had to be killed.
If these Indians had not wanted to die, then they should have ignored the wagon train and let is pass by.
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^ sweetheartbag.
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Well, but the Indians were uncivilized savages, so it is hardly in any way at all similar. Plus almost a century passed between these events. Civilization had become more civilized during that time. So the actions of the Japanese during WWII was far more different from the norm in its period.
You should read up on history of asian nations (not just Japan in general) to realize those actions were indeed the norm for that period (1900-ww2). Also, the native american indians had a higher civilization than most european nations of the era so calling them savages or uncivilized is not accurate.
Plus there was no real plan to wipe out the American Indians. If there had been one, there would be none alive today. In contrast, the government of Japan totally orchestrated the horrors they visited upon China, Korea, and several other nations. Even today, diplomatic relations between Japan and both China and Korea remain strained.
It was a combination of many factors that devastated Native American Indian populations. Disease killed far, far more than were killed by men. And that was simply nature at work.
Not entirely correct. True there was no plan to commit genocide vs. the native american populations just as Japan did not have a plan to wipe out all other asians... but just like Japan the US gov. and the brit. colonists before them did indeed plan, prepare and carry out campaigns to kick the natives off the land the newcomers wanted and if the natives died by the droves that was good because that meant less of them would be faced when they expanded further.
Disease and war were both used on purpose vs. the native americans.
The big difference is that the US does not hide that which was committed while Japan actively denies it. Though you could say the US denies it in a more passive form in the way that just like Japan, the US school textbook do 'sanitize' much of the crimes committed.
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Now all we need is another movie about how over worked the NAZI guards were as they burned off all the dead Jewish prisoners. Then watch BBS posters proclaim how great a movie it was and argue how unfair the allies were in treating them because they were just following orders. Nazi Guards are dady's too, ya know :cry... Heck, we might even have a few BBS posters tell us how courageous they were for working around the clock as the evil allies advanced...
I think I'll pass on this one...
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Well, but the Indians were uncivilized savages, so it is hardly in any way at all similar. Plus almost a century passed between these events. Civilization had become more civilized during that time. So the actions of the Japanese during WWII was far more different from the norm in its period.
Plus there was no real plan to wipe out the American Indians. If there had been one, there would be none alive today. In contrast, the government of Japan totally orchestrated the horrors they visited upon China, Korea, and several other nations. Even today, diplomatic relations between Japan and both China and Korea remain strained.
It was a combination of many factors that devastated Native American Indian populations. Disease killed far, far more than were killed by men. And that was simply nature at work.
My own great great grandfather killed 3 of them in an incident while traveling from Missouri to California in 1854. The wagon train that he was part of could not afford to let the small band of Indian warriors continue to trail them. So he and several other men rode out in the opposite direction, and then circled around and ambushed the Indians as they continued to shadow the wagon train. Indians were infamous at being horse thieves, and they were very fearful that they were waiting for an opportunity to steal their horses. So they clearly had to be killed.
If these Indians had not wanted to die, then they should have ignored the wagon train and let is pass by.
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Twin, you really need to look deeper in the history and cultural of Native American Indians before calling them "uncivilized savages". Many tribes where successful in agricultural, hunting and gathering and engineering skills long before Europeans arrived. Your remark as them being "uncivilized savages" is long over due and attitude that irregular people like you and your ancestor used. Native American Indians are proud people full of rich heritage, cultural, religion and skills. If it was not for them, our ability to established anything in early colonial and American era would never happen. So, I encourage you to spend a lot of time reading about them.
And, my remark in the early post about teaching Kamikaze, i was talking about U.S. education that dose not teach a whole lot about Native American Indians.
Interesting story about your great great grandfather.
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There are countless examples of inhumanity in wars between cultures. In WW2, the difference in the treatment of POWs between the ETO and the PTO is an example. John Keegan makes this point in the opening pages of "The Face of Battle."
Back to the clip, it made the hair on my neck stand up. My father was on CV-12, the Hornet. He worked the engine room. The gunners on the ship were given a medal at the end of the war for never letting a kamikaze hit. One of his favorite stories was of a kamikaze plane that had two crew aboard. He always questioned what the second guy was doing.
Unfortunately, Hollywood put artistic license over historical accuracy. This clip proves that accuracy can still allow an intense, dramatic sequence. It couldn't have cost that much more, if any, to make this as compared to the disappointing 'Pearl Harbor.'
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The one thing that has always made me wonder is why kamikazi pilots wore helmets?
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The movie doesn't glorify the war or the actions of anyone. It's a sad story about the real teenagers who were coerced to sacrifice their lives. It's about young people being sent to their slaughter, as they always are, by older men. The message is the futility of it all.
QTF
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Read Flyboys
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The one thing that has always made me wonder is why kamikazi pilots wore helmets?
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Is that where they have their headset to listen on to other squad mates?
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Well, but the Indians were uncivilized savages, so it is hardly in any way at all similar. Plus almost a century passed between these events. Civilization had become more civilized during that time. So the actions of the Japanese during WWII was far more different from the norm in its period.
Plus there was no real plan to wipe out the American Indians. If there had been one, there would be none alive today. In contrast, the government of Japan totally orchestrated the horrors they visited upon China, Korea, and several other nations. Even today, diplomatic relations between Japan and both China and Korea remain strained.
It was a combination of many factors that devastated Native American Indian populations. Disease killed far, far more than were killed by men. And that was simply nature at work.
My own great great grandfather killed 3 of them in an incident while traveling from Missouri to California in 1854. The wagon train that he was part of could not afford to let the small band of Indian warriors continue to trail them. So he and several other men rode out in the opposite direction, and then circled around and ambushed the Indians as they continued to shadow the wagon train. Indians were infamous at being horse thieves, and they were very fearful that they were waiting for an opportunity to steal their horses. So they clearly had to be killed.
If these Indians had not wanted to die, then they should have ignored the wagon train and let is pass by.
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Wow :O Small pox on blankets comes to mind the attempted eradication of the Buffalo as well to remove a food source for the natives. I would say there was a plan by some fortunately others with commom sense stopped it from being completed.
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Is that where they have their headset to listen on to other squad mates?
I thought there was only a receiver radio in all of the planes besides the flight lead's... or were those German craft?
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I thought there was only a receiver radio in all of the planes besides the flight lead's... or were those German craft?
I don't know maybe somebody will answer the question.
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Yea, it is hard to face what you done in the pass. Kind like what U.S. did to Native American Indians.
I did nothing to native americans in the past. Thus, I have nothing to face up to.
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I did nothing to native americans in the past. Thus, I have nothing to face up to.
I mean "we", not directly you. sorry Let me fix this. What U.S. Government has done and still continue doing to Native American Indians.
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I mean "we", not directly you. sorry Let me fix this. What U.S. Government has done and still continue doing to Native American Indians.
What are they currently doing?
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I thought there was only a receiver radio in all of the planes besides the flight lead's... or were those German craft?
I don't know maybe somebody will answer the question.
Per John Toland's book, "The Rising Sun, The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire," the fighters at Pearl Harbor did not have radios. Fuchida in a bomber fired flares to signal the fighters.
Bombers had radios. Early fighters didn't.
Wouldn't the radios be stripped prior to launch?