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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Swoop on February 12, 2010, 04:43:35 AM
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I give up.
For years I've been more or less honest on my CV, haven’t needed to embellish it much thanks to big name clients like IBM, DELL and AT&T, plenty of government and defence contractor work too, it's a good CV. But now.....with the recession on in this country and the IT market being as dead as it is, every contract gets 500 applicants and I'm getting fed up with some cretaneous foreigner being given the position cos he's cheaper than me. Or worse, some poxy college graduate with zero real world experience.
And what really gets me is non technical admin roles like PMO and project admin......the rates for these have skyrocketed. Why should a non technical plebeian with all the understanding of IT infrastructure of a stunned herring be paid £500 a day to file things and force the rest of us to organise all the blanks he forgot just cos he knew the right masonic handshake?
Well bollocks to it. That's it, it's time to create a completely fictitious career history with some help from old mates who have their own ltd companies.
Anyone else ever done this?
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i need more coffee :bolt: I have and would. But never stop learning new things. So, the IT thing ain't working out. You're young and smart. Go get into something else. I never, ever fully rely on just one source of income.
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Meh thats nothing swoop. I got headhunted for an international, then interviewed, they talked the role up (I wasn't looking for a new job), had great feedback, woulda been a decent payrise.... then told they went with someone else as I was so good they didn't want to take resource from a channel partner :(
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I have a degree in the IT field. Doesnt do a bit of good since I cant get hired no matter where I go. They want someone with experience but how do you get experience when no one hires you? I should of picked a different degree to go after
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If you can get into programming (web programming or software programming), try creating something which fulfills a purpose, is user friendly, is non-intrusive, and would become popular over the span of one-two years. There have been plenty of people who created companies by sitting down at home and starting a simple project.
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There have been plenty of people who created companies by sitting down at home and starting a simple project.
For every such project there is thousand others that end up nowhere. We just never hear about those.
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I can't speak from experience... I'm still in college working toward my diploma but - Are you grabbing/renewing as many certs as possible? Have you become fluent with Linux?
Staying current in this field is probably more of a headache than any other... but I believe it's necessary - Experience or no. Guys coming fresh out of college/university are usually ready to hit the ground running with the newest information out there and really eager to work.
Sorry if I'm way off here - just a thought
Cursed
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I give up.
For years I've been more or less honest on my CV, haven’t needed to embellish it much thanks to big name clients like IBM, DELL and AT&T, plenty of government and defence contractor work too, it's a good CV. But now.....with the recession on in this country and the IT market being as dead as it is, every contract gets 500 applicants and I'm getting fed up with some cretaneous foreigner being given the position cos he's cheaper than me. Or worse, some poxy college graduate with zero real world experience.
And what really gets me is non technical admin roles like PMO and project admin......the rates for these have skyrocketed. Why should a non technical plebeian with all the understanding of IT infrastructure of a stunned herring be paid £500 a day to file things and force the rest of us to organise all the blanks he forgot just cos he knew the right masonic handshake?
Well bollocks to it. That's it, it's time to create a completely fictitious career history with some help from old mates who have their own ltd companies.
Anyone else ever done this?
We should start up a jobs thread. You never know who has connections.
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I agree with you Swoop...ran into the same situation in the late 90s...and yes, I did... :devil
I just lined up some "business references"...inserted some variations...listed my impeccable record...and landed a couple of contract jobs, then got hired to do contract work for one of my contracts... :D
It's not what you know, it's what you can put in black and white and have other people tell someone else what you know...and I'm damn glad I'm not looking for a job right now...I have the experience but not the education.
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Swoop
Never could bring myself to lie on the resume. Has to much good stuff to put on it as it was. But I do know what you are talking about. The PM will be some nut job that has no IT experience at all. You get the ,”Oh we’ll get to the IT stuff in time don’t worry, but we have to do this first”. Then you are forgotten.
This is why I am leaving the IT support world. I have 10 certs, 20+ years experience in networking and I have had enough of being treated like some second class citizen. So I am back in school learning programming PHP, SQL, JAVA and other apps for cross platform application design and production.
My software will work if the network is up, my software will work if you put the data in correctly, my software will work if the internet is working and if it does not work, I am a programmer and cannot be contacted except in meeting and I don’t give out deadlines programming is not like that.
As for the users out there, my email works just fine. CALL THE FRIGGEN HELPDESK!
PHP and SQL classes will be done in two weeks, then I start Java and I have already created to apps for the company I work for using SQL data bases over an internal intranet.
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This is exactly why I got out of the IT field about two years ago Swoop. Good luck to yas though, hope it all works out for you.
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Ya.
Been working within the IT field for like forever. Just begun to look for a job, but i have a CV problem aswell, i have a 2 year hole in my resume. Anyone got anything creative i could fill the hole up with.
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Ya.
Been working within the IT field for like forever. Just begun to look for a job, but i have a CV problem aswell, i have a 2 year hole in my resume. Anyone got anything creative i could fill the hole up with.
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Tell them that you were in prison :aok
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abducted by aliens?
for all those that got out of I.T what other more interesting things did you get up too?
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I once put that I was an Effluence Management Technician on a resume. It wasn't really a lie.
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I have been tempted to in the past but never did because of what happened to a friend of mine. He had a tough time finding a job, so he fudged his resume just a tad and got hired by Microsoft as a project manager. He was hired mainly for the stuff he fudged and within a few months was out of a job when it became apparent that he didn't know how to do the job he claimed he did.
ack-ack
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Bruv, after I left the IT field I ended up getting into doing tattos. Along side that, I also own a bar with the wife and have an "on and off" job working for my dad at the helium plant.
I do the work for my dad more to help out, rather than for the money.
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Don't feel to down about it. I have a degree in wildlife management with emphasis in Rangeland Management. On top of that, a lot of work experience here and there but i can land a pe job. So what to do? I have my own consulting business and going back to school to get a Teaching degree. These days, a lot of people are going back to school for a career chance.
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Don't feel to down about it. I have a degree in wildlife management with emphasis in Rangeland Management. On top of that, a lot of work experience here and there but i can land a pe job. So what to do? I have my own consulting business and going back to school to get a Teaching degree. These days, a lot of people are going back to school for a career chance.
PE's are in huge demand around here in Alabama. Lots of engineering to work on with some civil jobs kicking in over the next several years. The problem is no one wants to hire a PE on more than a contract basis right now. So depending on the job you might make $20k in a year but again you might make $120k in a year and then you are going to be in on the job for a while and will have a new company to work for long term.
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I also own a bar with the wife
It makes perfect sense!
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PE's are in huge demand around here in Alabama. Lots of engineering to work on with some civil jobs kicking in over the next several years. The problem is no one wants to hire a PE on more than a contract basis right now. So depending on the job you might make $20k in a year but again you might make $120k in a year and then you are going to be in on the job for a while and will have a new company to work for long term.
What is PE?
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Professional Engineer
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maybe the automotive repair field isn't as competitave as the it field.....but in nearly 30 years, i've never had to fake a resume.....and i have submitted them.
i've never been fired from a job, and never been layed off from a job. i have quit a few for various reasons.....one because if i hadn't, i'd have gotten arrested after i kicked one of the other mechanics ass.......a few because i just didn't like the atmosphere, or co-workrs, and one because they were using superbly cheap parts...to the point where i refused to have my name associated with them.
during this time, one shop has hired me back 4 times. and if i ever lose my shop, i know for a fact that he'll hire me back again. :aok
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Figures, a brit asks a group of colonials not how to write a better CV, but how to write a fake one :huh
:P
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Figures, a brit asks a group of colonials not how to write a better CV, but how to write a fake one :huh
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well....i do know a guy that used to be a service manager that did the "fudging" thing.......in the last 12 years i've known him, he's gone through 12 jobs.
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In the USAF, we don't make up stuff on our performance reports but we do tend to take credit for everything that happens within our sphere of influence. If a guy who works for me does something great but I am the guy who makes it look pretty so I can present it to MY boss for approval, then of course I take credit for my outstanding leadership, spearheading the project and all that.
It makes for some interesting exercises in creative writing if I have a slow year at work, but when I retire I'll have 20 years worth of performance reports showing off everything I've ever touched, as "proof" that I actually did whatever I claimed to have done in my CV. Civvies can do the same thing... Just take credit for leading or being in charge of everything you ever touched or participated in.
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well lets see I started off as a flight instructor moved to cargo Mountain Air Cargo(Fedex) then off to Raytheon aircraft (Travel Air) that fell apart. started a Networking computer repair service company with high school chum.. did well till 9-11 killed our cash flow.. now I am in Human Resources Southeastern Container (Coke a Cola) Its where you get and work your way up..sometimes settle for less and prove your worth and you will advance despite yourself...
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In the USAF, we don't make up stuff on our performance reports but we do tend to take credit for everything that happens within our sphere of influence. If a guy who works for me does something great but I am the guy who makes it look pretty so I can present it to MY boss for approval, then of course I take credit for my outstanding leadership, spearheading the project and all that.
Lol Im just discovering this tact, I even have them write it up, then I sign it.