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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Yeager on September 20, 2000, 02:00:00 PM
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When launching from CV lets have the option to start ***IN THE HANGER***, taxi to the elevator, hit a command key and lift **UP** to the deck.
At this point you can give the splendid command to ****UNFOLD WINGS****, taxi into takeoff position and let er rippppppp!
This has just got to be done! Pyro, HT wasnt too jazzed on the programing necessary for folding wings! WHATS DOES I GOTS TO DO?
This would make AcesHigh far superior over any other WW2 Naval simulation ever devised by sane minds.
Beer?
Yeager
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Great idea Yeager! Also, the internal hangar could have the bomb/rocket loadouts there as well.
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I am sure we would be called all kinda names like "'vator dweebs" but that would be kinda fun.
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Apache
=XO= VMF-323 Death Rattlers
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How would adding something unrealistic make AH better than the other sims?
Sisu
-Karnak
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How about some of the hanger deck catapults that some of the WW2 Carriers had?...That would be cool too!
(http://www.devildogs.com/vmf111/sdsig2.gif)
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Originally posted by Karnak:
How would adding something unrealistic make AH better than the other sims?
Sisu
-Karnak
Uhh...Unrealistic? Are you feeling OK today? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Rendar
[This message has been edited by Rendar (edited 09-21-2000).]
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I guess Karnak means that the real pilots didn't move the planes from the hangar deck to the flight deck? That was the job of the mechanics, I believe?
But that minor detail aside, I'd like to ride up and down on the elevator. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
But I can almost picture the following scenario - Hangar Deck Wars:
"I wan't to press the button!"
"No, I wan't to do it!"
"Screw you, I want to do it!"
"Oh yeah?!"
TAKATAKATAKA - KABOOOM!!
"There. That's better. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)"
"click"
"whirl whirl -- bzzzzzzzz......"
And seconds later my Brewster screams across the flight deck into the clear blue skies. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Camo
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Camouflage
XO, Lentolaivue 34
www.muodos.fi/LLv34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34)
Brewster into AH!
"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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...and unfolding the wings was not done by a press on a button either and then wait for 10 sec (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ltn. Snefens
RO, Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34)
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Huh? What are you on about Camo? Maybe they had to pull the lever or something but unfolding was definitely a pilot controlled thing although it took longer than 10 seconds (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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lynx
13 Sqn RAF
[This message has been edited by -lynx- (edited 09-21-2000).]
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Any longer than 10 sec. and your going to lose customers due to the fact that most fly the sim to do exactly that, fly. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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We don't even have to roll on the runway (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Planes were usually also prepared on the deck before a mission.
If the planes were still under the deck when alert comes, it was already too late to bring them up... (it takes something like half hour to prepare those planes.. at least)
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-lynx-,
Camo was talking about the elevator lift going up and down in his little story (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Rendar,
Yeager was talking about taxing in the hangar deck. It nver happened. The only time an aircraft engine would be turned on down there is when a mechanic was working on it.
To bring it up went something like the following:
1. Tow empty aircraft to the elevator.
2. Use elevator to lift empty aircraft to flight deck.
3. Tow empty aircraft to its position.
4. Unfold the wings of the empty aircraft.
5. Pilot gets in empty aircraft.
6. Aircraft takes off.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Rendar,
Yeager was talking about taxing in the hangar deck. It nver happened. The only time an aircraft engine would be turned on down there is when a mechanic was working on it.
To bring it up went something like the following:
1. Tow empty aircraft to the elevator.
2. Use elevator to lift empty aircraft to flight deck.
3. Tow empty aircraft to its position.
4. Unfold the wings of the empty aircraft.
5. Pilot gets in empty aircraft.
6. Aircraft takes off.
Sisu
-Karnak
7. goes swimming?
'empty' aircraft.
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How about a "move" type of thing, like what we have now when you climb up to your aircraft when you hit fly, but on a carrier it would be an animation of your aircraft taxing to the aircraft elevator, etc.
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I doubt that many of you can wait without complaining to get up in that elevator.
It isn't like going into apartments elevator and moving up to next floor....
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change GUI move speed, wait solved.
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As I posted in GAMEPLAY forum, Joemud suggested online to have manable 20/40mm ack positions, maybe a 5" gun with proximity fuses for incoming A/C..this would generate more people in AH besides just the flight simmers as well, meaning more $$.
HT mentioned that CV's will most like be controlled by a perk system, the captain would set up his waypoints for the CV, and off she goes...
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Ok,
Just picture how the animation of wings folding and unfolding would look!
Imagine the excitement of Navy fans as they pop up from a nicely detailed but dark hanger deck to the blinding brightness of the flight deck in combat. Imagine the immersion!
Tell me this would not add anything to the experience.
In any event, points made by karnak. Fact is we can start in hangers at airfields but this is rarley used. When I want to get virtual, I start in the hanger and fly a preplanned flight. But mostly I just spawn like the rest of you dweebs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I also get the fact that planes were not handled by pilots and engines were not operational between the CV hanger and flight deck.
STILL,
I want to be able to start on the elevator, pop up to the deck, unfold the wings, start engine and take off. This would be AWESOME!
Obviously, the biggest problem is how to do this technically. How does HT handle several people trying to access the elevator at the same time? While it is in travel? Can a F6F go full throttle with wings folded? You just know that some dweeb, somewhere (me me me) will try this. How does HT program this? I dont know. Perhaps disable anything over 5% throttle with wings folded.
HTC, this would be a major demonstration of skill and appreciation to the simulation fans and especially to the Navy guys.
Guys, I know you can do this! At least give us folding wings (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Yahoooooo!
Yeager
[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 09-21-2000).]
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Originally posted by LLv34_Snefens:
-lynx-,
Camo was talking about the elevator lift going up and down in his little story (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Exactly. I guess lynx never rode in an elevator as a kid. Atleast I always wanted to press the button. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Camo
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Actually, I still got that urge. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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"Huh? What are you on about Camo? Maybe they had to pull the lever or something but unfolding was definitely a pilot controlled thing although it took longer than 10 seconds"
-- -lynx-
Which planes had automatic folding wings?
I always thought F6F's and the like had manual wings that the flight deck crew had to unfold themselves--very dangerous work in gusty weather. I couldbe mistaken though.
J_A_B
P.S. speaking of things automatic....it would be cool to model the N1K's automatic comabt flaps.
[This message has been edited by J_A_B (edited 09-21-2000).]
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Yes Yeager!
Yes F6F!
Yes Pacific arena!
Oh man I could replay Midway or Corral sea or Pearl or...Rabaul...Hell I'll even fly IJN.
AH Rocks!!
Imagine this hobby in 2 yrs-5....10!!!!!
By-Tor
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Camo/Snef - OK you two, quit rubbing my nose in it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
JAB - unless they have been modified since WW2 (I mean those that I actually saw doing it) F4F, F6F, F4U and TBF(M) had hydrolically controlled folding wings operated by a pilot. Only F4U folded them up (as far as I recall) - the rest of them were twisting and folding wings back along the fuselage.
Very cool to look at the whole thing happening too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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lynx
13 Sqn RAF
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Lift?, button?, ain't that QUAKE (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
why not some battle cruisers or torpedoboats
could be nice targets too
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I would LOVE a player controled Takao class heavy cruiser.
(http://www.skypoint.com/members/jbp/maya01.jpg)
Here is the site from which the image is linked:
http://www.skypoint.com/members/jbp/takao_c.htm (http://www.skypoint.com/members/jbp/takao_c.htm)
The Takao class of Japanese heavy cruisers were genuinely aggressive ships, being fast, heavily armed with both guns and torpedoes, and well protected, and they saw much action in the Pacific War.
Here is a book with LOTS of detailed drawings of the Takao:
http://www.batsford.com/books/sbn/7628%200 (http://www.batsford.com/books/sbn/7628%200)
This is the best Heavy Cruiser class of the war, from any nation.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Too bad it was commanded by people that didn't have the brains to use them effectevly.
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Uber Ship,
Think this is a really great idea. But player controled CV's? Perk system? How would that work? The best pilot or the pilot who shot down the most people gets control of the CV? Guys this really is not an option. The guy who shoots down the most pilots is going to be a great pilot. But how do we know that he's not some 5 year old siting at a computer in Germany? He would have no idea what the basics of carrier movement was. It could make life very difficult for the rest of us. A 5 year old bombing about in the MA with 1000 tones of CV under his call sign.
"Look Ma! It's a light house! Lets go and see if we can ram it!"
Bye Bye CV.
If they are going to use a perk system then I sugest that we come up with a better idea.
BT
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Nath-BDP,
Doesn't that Takao just scream "Surface Raider"?
Ah well...
Sisu
-Karnak
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First of all: Yeager, that Idea Rocks, I would love to fire up that Hellcat's engine in the hangar, taxi out onto the elevator, it starts to rise up, you see the sunrise over the water as the elevator reaches the flight deck. You follow the Flight Deck Crew into position, He gives you the Thumbs up so "click" and you here the whirring of the hydraulics unfolding the wings. they Lock into position and your ready for the launch signal. Man That would RULE!
Now, I'll add a bit more to the "wild Speculation" on the Player controlled CV:
Couldn't it be like this:
Pilot "A" goes to "Port" and selects a CV. Has "X" number of "Pilots" "Join" him. He steams out of port. Only the Pilots that "Joined" Pilot "A" can fly from his carrier. Anyone may land/re-arm/refuel, re-launch, but only those that originally joined pilot "A" when he left port may start at the CV.
As an Option: Pilot "A" may "abandon ship by flying an aircraft from his carrier. Of course, at this point, the CV sinks.
Hamish!
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I suspect "player controlled" CV's means that CM's and CO/XO/Task Force Commanders, in a scenario, can program them for certain courses and actions. In the MA I think CV's will be preset by HTC, not joe-bloe.
-Westy
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Control of ONE of the CV's could be given to one person via a vote (say, the person that gets the most votes in a 5 minute period wins).
That way you could have the country GIVE control of a CV to a squad and let them use it to terrorize the high seas *G*.
If HTC adds PORTS to the game, then the CV and PT boats and any other naval ship would have to launch from there.
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IMHO, We really don't need the ships (carrier) in AH. Other things should be done first. Truck convoys, railroads, supply bases, and things like that.
Too bad HTC decided to go this way, but he is in control.
Please, no more US Navy planes!! The arena is crowded with them as it is!! Everywhere ya go ya have to dodge the F4UC!
They will probably outfit the F6F with the same cannons that the C-Hog has.
Just hoping AH dosen't turn into a mini-WWII Online!!
Have a nice day!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)