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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: legoman on February 15, 2010, 09:41:24 AM
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I was flying my hellcat a few days ago, first 45 seconds went fine then the plane started lurching to the right. I thought it was a trim problem and set the trim to the left but the lurches got worse. I tried to bring her down for a landing but right before touch down it did it again and i had to pull up and circle. Then mid 360 the left wing fell off and the plane plummeted spiraling to the ground. Despite the lurching problem i was able to keep it in the air for 15 minutes trying to land. The part that doesn't make since is the fact that i used a good amount of epoxy and sealing tape. The plane is destroyed cause it was 75 feet up and at full throttle when it hit the ground. I just don't understand why though. :headscratch: can you give me any thoughts and maybe why it happened?
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
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geeeee you guys where real helpful
sounds like a stick issue. try recalibrating in windows and then recalibrate in the game
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Me thinks there is a screw loose. :rolleyes: Or maybe it wanted to die.
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geeeee you guys where real helpful
sounds like a stick issue. try recalibrating in windows and then recalibrate in the game
I thought he was refering to a "radio-controlled" plane , one flys outdoors.......
I could be wrong though........
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No its my rc hellcat the one i was so exited about a few months ago. heres a pic i got off of google since my digital wont download onto my comp. (http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac354/LGflipphone/a-fr-4001c.jpg)
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i would of attached it to my other post about when i got my hellcat except if you havn't noticed i've been gone for a long time so that post is long gone.
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Sounds to me like something came off in flight, like an aeiloron or something like that. Could have even been a motor mount, which would cause it to either go left or right, depending on which side it was. If it wasn't those two then partial wing came off, but there would be barely any lift.
I also don't think that you kept it in the air for 15 minutes, because I know some of the most powerful batteries can only last about 15 minutes, and you also said that you were flying it before, so I think it's doubtful that you did keep it in the air for that long.
Put this in the O'Club
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No its my rc hellcat the one i was so exited about a few months ago. heres a pic i got off of google since my digital wont download onto my comp. (http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac354/LGflipphone/a-fr-4001c.jpg)
So much for the joystick theory!! :rofl
I thought the same kilz.
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how do i move this to o club?
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Ned Flanders? oh ur talking about remote control airplane, ahhhh call the place where u got it from not here. :cheers:
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how do i move this to o club?
Skuzzy will move it at some point.
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thats what i'm afraid of, skuzzy already sore at me.
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CRAPDOUBLEPOST :cry
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geeeee you guys where real helpful
sounds like a stick issue. try recalibrating in windows and then recalibrate in the game
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I was flying my hellcat a few days ago, first 45 seconds went fine then the plane started lurching to the right. I thought it was a trim problem and set the trim to the left but the lurches got worse. I tried to bring her down for a landing but right before touch down it did it again and i had to pull up and circle. Then mid 360 the left wing fell off and the plane plummeted spiraling to the ground. Despite the lurching problem i was able to keep it in the air for 15 minutes trying to land. The part that doesn't make since is the fact that i used a good amount of epoxy and sealing tape. The plane is destroyed cause it was 75 feet up and at full throttle when it hit the ground. I just don't understand why though. :headscratch: can you give me any thoughts and maybe why it happened?
almost sounds like a couple different problems.
the lurching may have been radio hits.
the wing fallng off? well..........depending on how you put them together, the epoxy may not have been strong enough? i use 30 minute epoxy on any wing joints, and i also tend to lay a fiberglass strip over the joint, as i tend to fly my stuff hard.
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you spying on my house wingnutt lol sorry no help with RC aircraft for me
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you spying on my house wingnutt
:salute :cheers:
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well the wing has been torn from its socket many times, once i ran between to narrow tree's and both wings with 20 min epoxy tore out from the sockets. Another time i hit a power line and tore off the left wing and the last time before this crash it did a cart wheel on my roof since some of the stupid kids in my neighborhood decided to shoot it with high power bb's. I guess it couldn't handle much more strain.
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well the wing has been torn from its socket many times, once i ran between to narrow tree's and both wings with 20 min epoxy tore out from the sockets. Another time i hit a power line and tore off the left wing and the last time before this crash it did a cart wheel on my roof since some of the stupid kids in my neighborhood decided to shoot it with high power bb's. I guess it couldn't handle much more strain.
Sounds to me like you crash and burn more than you are in the air.
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well the wing has been torn from its socket many times, once i ran between to narrow tree's and both wings with 20 min epoxy tore out from the sockets. Another time i hit a power line and tore off the left wing and the last time before this crash it did a cart wheel on my roof since some of the stupid kids in my neighborhood decided to shoot it with high power bb's. I guess it couldn't handle much more strain.
Sounds to me like you crash and burn more than you are in the air.
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well the wing has been torn from its socket many times, once i ran between to narrow tree's and both wings with 20 min epoxy tore out from the sockets. Another time i hit a power line and tore off the left wing and the last time before this crash it did a cart wheel on my roof since some of the stupid kids in my neighborhood decided to shoot it with high power bb's. I guess it couldn't handle much more strain.
Sounds to me like you crash and burn more than you are in the air.
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Seems to me that you crash and burn more than you are in the air.
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well the wing has been torn from its socket many times, once i ran between to narrow tree's and both wings with 20 min epoxy tore out from the sockets. Another time i hit a power line and tore off the left wing and the last time before this crash it did a cart wheel on my roof since some of the stupid kids in my neighborhood decided to shoot it with high power bb's. I guess it couldn't handle much more strain.
this post to me is a give away......you're making this all up. you're fishing. i should've known better than to try to offer help.
i'm done.
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go to the E zone should be able to help you there
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:headscratch: can you give me any thoughts and maybe why it happened?
it's rather simple, pilot error.
ack-ack
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made this up? :headscratch:
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Seems to me that you crash and burn more than you are in the air.
WOOOOOOOOO Quadrupal post!!!
lol <S>
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Seems to me that you crash and burn more than you are in the air.
Click post.
now again
one more time now
just keep stabbing at it, it'll go eventually
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made this up? :headscratch:
He's referring to the comment about how kids with high powered BB guns were shooting at your plane. Usually, when one adds an embelishment like that it's a pretty good indicator that the rest of the story is the same. Basically, if it looks like bullscat, smells like bullscat, it's bullscat.
ack-ack
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Maybe there are some LTARs in the neighborhood.
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The answer is simple....
Alien
Abduction
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Conspiracy theories! Woohoo!
Anyway, why would someone make this kind of stuff up? It's not like an emotional response is being given. Also, perhaps this was right near the plane, I could see that with a full-auto gun. Heck, a pellet gun has the power to ricochet off of sod and hit someone 5 meters away at a reverse angle (like throwing a ball at a wall and nutting your friend). BB's could easily knock his plane out of the sky, all it takes is a few well-placed shots and BAM! that's all she wrote.
-Penguin
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Conspiracy theories! Woohoo!
Anyway, why would someone make this kind of stuff up? It's not like an emotional response is being given. Also, perhaps this was right near the plane, I could see that with a full-auto gun. Heck, a pellet gun has the power to ricochet off of sod and hit someone 5 meters away at a reverse angle (like throwing a ball at a wall and nutting your friend). BB's could easily knock his plane out of the sky, all it takes is a few well-placed shots and BAM! that's all she wrote.
-Penguin
too many things happened to that plane for it to be real.
also....at our club......we really DID shoot down one of these....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/IMG_3891.jpg)
with a paintball gun. 3 different adults tried. they all missed. the plane was in slow flight too.....to make it easier to hit.
the fourth guy put the gun on full auto, and finally hit it......1 round right through the fuse, broke the elevator linkage, and it went in.
the point being......kids with bb guns aren't gonna take an r/c model down.
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Being a child doesn't mean that you can't aim. And like I said, the guns were probably on full auto.
-Penguin
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Being a child doesn't mean that you can't aim. And like I said, the guns were probably on full auto.
-Penguin
to the best of my knowledge, they don't make full auto bb guns......but i could be wrong.
my point was that they are VERY difficult to hit when you're actually trying....imagine hitting them by accident.
akak explained it best.
shenanigans.
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I have one that'll shoot BB's full auto, it looks very, very real. Made by D-Boys, typically shoots 7mm plastic, but BB's will work just fine if you increase the power on the Hop-Up system to account for their weight. Consider this, a cheap springer will put a hole through a sled at ten feet, imagine a full auto-BB gun at say 30 feet!
-Penguin
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I have one that'll shoot BB's full auto, it looks very, very real. Made by D-Boys, typically shoots 7mm plastic, but BB's will work just fine if you increase the power on the Hop-Up system to account for their weight. Consider this, a cheap springer will put a hole through a sled at ten feet, imagine a full auto-BB gun at say 30 feet!
-Penguin
imagine hitting a small airplane doing 50 mph with that.
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He never said what the speed was. We should find that out before anything else is debated.
But anyway, he said kids, with guns, so it might have been something like five kids with D-Boys BB machine guns running on green gas.
Let's hear from legoman before we go any further, we don't have enough data to draw a conclusion yet, of any sort.
-Penguin
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Seems to me that you crash and burn more than you are in the air.
In Lego's defense, he didn't quadruple post. "Seem", "Sound", tis neither here or there.
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He never said what the speed was. We should find that out before anything else is debated.
But anyway, he said kids, with guns, so it might have been something like five kids with D-Boys BB machine guns running on green gas.
Let's hear from legoman before we go any further, we don't have enough data to draw a conclusion yet, of any sort.
-Penguin
You'll notice the "Persona Non Grata" under his name, that is the only conclusion so far.
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He never said what the speed was. We should find that out before anything else is debated.
But anyway, he said kids, with guns, so it might have been something like five kids with D-Boys BB machine guns running on green gas.
Let's hear from legoman before we go any further, we don't have enough data to draw a conclusion yet, of any sort.
-Penguin
even slowing the t34 down to less than 20mph it was nearly impossible.
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Look, we have no info. How do we draw any conclusion except that what he said was possibly true. But the persona non grata, that's his fault. So, I guess we won't know until he's back.
-Penguin
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Look, we have no info. How do we draw any conclusion except that what he said was possibly true. But the persona non grata, that's his fault. So, I guess we won't know until he's back.
-Penguin
you have no info.
i have experience.
i know. it sounds silly, but experience counts for a lot.
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Sure, but we still don't know much about what happened, experience is only a tool to use the knowledge presented accurately and in a useful system. The number could have been 10, even 20 kids all at once on full auto with BB's powered by green gas.
For the smaller one, at 180 rpm (pretty low, only three shots per second)x10= 1,800 rpm, that's more than three M-16's firing up there. We don't know, anything except a reported kill, so what can we say about the situation?
-Penguin
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lego, find them, and step on their BB guns
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Post removed by poster, it was just too evil.
-Penguin
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lego, find them, and step on their BB guns
Ummm...Tupac, he's been banned. The rest of the diatribe has been whether it's possible to hit an R/C plane (electric powered according to the OP) with a bb gun.
Cap1...barring Penguins uber full auto gas powered bb gun (remember the carnival game with the thompson bb gun you had to shoot the red star off the paper with?)...an off the shelf crossman pump action will fire a .177 cal pellet at 300fps...a couple of companies make pump guns that fire a pellet at 600+ fps..."target match" can reach 1000+ fps...trajectory on a bb/pellet gun that fires at 300 fps is flatter than a .56 cal paintball gun at the same speed...so it would be easier to get a shot 200 feet away on a moving target with a bb/pellet gun than with a paintball gun.
Do the math fellas...figure .177 cal projectile weighing approximately 8 grains, traveling at 300 fps on a target moving approximately 30 mph (?) 200 feet away...would the projectile have enough energy to penetrate and/or damage the r/c plane?
Having done it before, I say yes but I'll let you guys figure it out.
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Wrong! I have an uber full auto electric BB gun. :neener:
And nobody notices my ubertastic revenge planes? Come on, they're awesome!
Gimme the numbers in metric, please, imperial is just too complicated (base 3, 12, 1,760, 5,280).
-Penguin
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oh, well then id say no.
i just dont see anyone hitting that plane at 200+ feet, unless you are that guy from the history channel that shoots aspirins with a .22
i fly RC, and if he is cruisin along he is probably doing 30-50 MPH depending on wind, even though thats a brushless it would be VERY diffivult to hit. Not to mention that most places where it would be hit would require multiple hits for damage
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Sure, but we still don't know much about what happened, experience is only a tool to use the knowledge presented accurately and in a useful system. The number could have been 10, even 20 kids all at once on full auto with BB's powered by green gas.
For the smaller one, at 180 rpm (pretty low, only three shots per second)x10= 1,800 rpm, that's more than three M-16's firing up there. We don't know, anything except a reported kill, so what can we say about the situation?
-Penguin
c'mon dude. do you REALLY think this happened this way?
you're not representing yourself here nearly as well as you are/were in the global warming thread.
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Better yet, fill the plane with ex... not in this decade
Get a helicopter, and put a BB gun on it, or if a plane has landing gear, fill a balloon with bleach and drop it on their sorry heads! highly illegal, careless, and stupid.
Or... Grab a cherry bomb/M80, super glue, a small balloon, a sink, some copper wire (50' will do), a large D-Battery, vaseline, and a freezer. dee above comment/
1.) Cover the M80 with the vaseline, and make sure that the layer is thick (1/2" to 3/4")
2.) Fill the balloon with water
3.) Put the vaseline covered M80 in the balloon so that the fuse sticks out
4.) Super-glue the wire to the M-80's fuse
5.) Carefully put the cocktail in the freezer until it's rock hard
6.) Take some more wire, and tie it to the length of wire that you have already put on, and close the plane's nose or tail gear around it
7.) Step outside
8.) Make sure that the wire forms a horeshoe equal on both ends
9.) Tape one end to the negative side of the battery
10.) Fly the plane to altitude, and aquire your target
11.) Touch the posititve end of the battery to the other side of the cord
12.) Wait for ignition
13.) Drop the bomb and enjoy!
The M80 will be lit, and dropped with the fuse burning, when it explodes, ice will fly out and terrify the target. (Note: Lethality experiments haven't been done, so I wouldn't advise this unless it's you or them)
Or a simpler method
You will need: A flop-top party favor bag, dry ice, 2' of any type of string, a sink, a bottle with a cap, and that plane
1.) Put the dry ice in the bag
2.) Fill the bottle with warm water,
3.) Screw on the cap so that it holds the bag above the water level
4.) Tie the string below the cap of the bottle
5.) Tie the string loosely around one wing of the plane
6.) Fly to altitude
7.) Aquire target
8.) Roll plane to mix the bag's contents and the water
9.) Roll harder to drop the bottle off
10.) Beat it!
This will not kill them, but dang, is it loud. Remember, nobody is making you do this, check with the local laws of your area first.
-Penguin
dude........you would do better to remove all that you've typed above.
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Ummm...Tupac, he's been banned. The rest of the diatribe has been whether it's possible to hit an R/C plane (electric powered according to the OP) with a bb gun.
Cap1...barring Penguins uber full auto gas powered bb gun (remember the carnival game with the thompson bb gun you had to shoot the red star off the paper with?)...an off the shelf crossman pump action will fire a .177 cal pellet at 300fps...a couple of companies make pump guns that fire a pellet at 600+ fps..."target match" can reach 1000+ fps...trajectory on a bb/pellet gun that fires at 300 fps is flatter than a .56 cal paintball gun at the same speed...so it would be easier to get a shot 200 feet away on a moving target with a bb/pellet gun than with a paintball gun.
Do the math fellas...figure .177 cal projectile weighing approximately 8 grains, traveling at 300 fps on a target moving approximately 30 mph (?) 200 feet away...would the projectile have enough energy to penetrate and/or damage the r/c plane?
Having done it before, I say yes but I'll let you guys figure it out.
it would have plenty of energy to penetrate. a bb probably wouldn't hit anything inside that could cripple the plane though.
these things are hard to hit. when we did it to the t34, it took 3 different guys trying to get it.....and then the paintball penetrated the covering, and hit the elevator linkage, breaking it.
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Post removed by poster, it was just too evil.
-Penguin
There, I fixed it.
Oh man, you're right. I don't have my game-face on. This'll only take a moment. Alrighty, here we go.
If you had say, three kids, all armed with uber BB guns, and at close range, you could do it. The tough part about this is that I don't have any data to back up my claims. It's just not worth the effort to interrogate the little critter about it.
So CAP, can you give me some parameters for the debate? I'm really lost right now. If I could only find out things like range and bullet weight. I'll take a guess:
3 kids, armed with uber BB guns. Range: 15 meters
Load: .2 gram BB's
ROF: 180 rpm
MPS: 180 mps
The bullet would traverse 15 mps in .0833333333333... seconds. That's short enought to aim just a bit ahead to blast the sucker out of the sky. Now this is based on the assumption of them using some pretty powerful BB guns. But I could be wrong, until we know what those kids were using, there's an infinite number of possibillities for the time it would take for the BB to reach the target and how many BB's would need to be fired. (all real numbers > 0).
So I've just shown that it can be done, it just requires some good guns, friends, and a little bit of luck. That doesn't mean that it was done however. So herein lies the problem, we don't know how far the truth stretches into legoman's claims. Therefore, we can't draw any conclusions.
-Penguin
(How do you like my presentation now?)
-Penguin
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Ok so we've got two different things to look at, what legoman said happened, and the hypothetical of hitting an an r/c at all.
First, we obviously can't get any more info from our banished friend so we have to rely on one poorly structured sentence to draw our info. I don't fly r/c planes, but would imagine you need space. What is he doing so close to trees, power lines, houses, and what is this neighborhood? Is he just trying to fly this thing down suburb streets? To me there are too many variables to even draw the conclusion the plane was in flight when shot. Maybe it was hit on the ground and he simply attributed pilot error to that?
But if we give him the benefit of the doubt that it was shot in flight, we have to be realistic, it was likely no more than 3 kids. If any of them have expensive air rifles it would be doubtful all three do, two at the most, but more than likely just one rich kids toy and two smaller weaker guns. How much practice at moving targets do they really have? Birds, sure but Its unlikely they've been knocking hundreds of birds out of the sky, people notice that and parents usually get involved. This is all hypothetical and you have to play the odds and make best guesses here. My point with all that is although its possible, in this situation it is highly improbable that some kids shot his r/c out of the sky.
Final question is how possible it is. Could 30 kids armed with high velocity automatic air rifles shoot an r/c plane going 30 mph? Sure, eventually, but that wasn't the case here.
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Ok so we've got two different things to look at, what legoman said happened, and the hypothetical of hitting an an r/c at all.
First, we obviously can't get any more info from our banished friend so we have to rely on one poorly structured sentence to draw our info. I don't fly r/c planes, but would imagine you need space. What is he doing so close to trees, power lines, houses, and what is this neighborhood? Is he just trying to fly this thing down suburb streets? To me there are too many variables to even draw the conclusion the plane was in flight when shot. Maybe it was hit on the ground and he simply attributed pilot error to that?
But if we give him the benefit of the doubt that it was shot in flight, we have to be realistic, it was likely no more than 3 kids. If any of them have expensive air rifles it would be doubtful all three do, two at the most, but more than likely just one rich kids toy and two smaller weaker guns. How much practice at moving targets do they really have? Birds, sure but Its unlikely they've been knocking hundreds of birds out of the sky, people notice that and parents usually get involved. This is all hypothetical and you have to play the odds and make best guesses here. My point with all that is although its possible, in this situation it is highly improbable that some kids shot his r/c out of the sky.
Final question is how possible it is. Could 30 kids armed with high velocity automatic air rifles shoot an r/c plane going 30 mph? Sure, eventually, but that wasn't the case here.
imagine all the collateral damage from whatever else they hit.
the dude wasn't flying.
if he really can fly at all, i wanna see video when his banishment is over.
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Final question is how possible it is. Could 30 kids armed with high velocity automatic air rifles shoot an r/c plane going 30 mph? Sure, eventually, but that wasn't the case here.
Very true...especially kids from legoman's neighborhood...from what I understood he was home schooled and lived not in a suburban area but an urban area...mid city maybe?
They really wouldn't need "high velocity" or automatic air rifles...with a velocity of 91.44 meters/second...and a projectile weighing 518.39128 milligrams...with a rifled barrel...and the target traveling at a level speed of 13.4112 meters/second approximately 60 meters away...it's not that difficult, especially if the target is coming toward you...
Whether or not the projectile would cause enough damage to disable the target with a single shot is a whole different story...just judging from what the OP described about all the previous damage, I'm surprised the thing got off the ground...sounds like a servo was going bad.
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They really wouldn't need "high velocity" or automatic air rifles...with a velocity of 91.44 meters/second...and a projectile weighing 518.39128 milligrams...with a rifled barrel...and the target traveling at a level speed of 13.4112 meters/second approximately 60 meters away...it's not that difficult, especially if the target is coming toward you...
Yeah, I just used an extreme example to demonstrate the possibility.
Whether or not the projectile would cause enough damage to disable the target with a single shot is a whole different story
Very true there, and I don't know enough about r/c planes to even try and make a guess on that.
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(Warning, you have now entered a restricted area, please be prepared to show a sense of humor)
Ok, I see the solution, the richest guy here should buy an r/c plane and two expensive BB rifles (full auto, green gas, 1.5x scopes). Then he should have his friend fly the bird while he and another friend open fire, give them around 30 seconds per trial, and fix any damage with a completely new part.
See how many times the plane goes down out of one-hundred trials, and send the probability here to us. Nice and simple.
(Seriously now)
1.) We need to agree upon a universal caliber and weapon to do our tests
2.) We should make our hypothesis first
3.) We should use the scientific method to do this, step by step, one chunk at a time, and post our results before moving on.
-Penguin
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someones had to much caffeine
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Who? It could have been anyone of us. :headscratch:
-Penguin
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Prepare to:
-watch grown men giggle like little girls
-cringe if you care about gun safety
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRSyz5L-vxw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRSyz5L-vxw)
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i dunno why i'm doing this...i must be a masochist or something. but then...the occasional spanking is rather fun..... :noid
enough of that here's a couple pics.
this is my electric corsair. it's kinda small, as you can see, but she'll do 65mph.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/DSC01382.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/DSC01383.jpg)
so with nothing else added, imagine this little thing cruising along at 65mph, and trying to hit it...even with full auto.
to continue.....
crappy picture, but i couldn;t get the camera to focus any better so close...you may notice the absence of anything seriously important inside. you can see the elevator control in there too.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/DSC01386.jpg)
here's an outside pic of the elevator control.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/DSC01387.jpg)
that is of course foam.
now, on to the t34. heres the wing. notice the absence of anything inside of it critical.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/DSC01390.jpg)
this is the best i could get a pic of the inside of the t34....but once again, you'll note the rather small control rods. this one has 2...one for the rudder, one for the elevator.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/DSC01392.jpg)
imagine bb's doing critical damage to these?
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Hey, great job! If you feel up to it, would you please do that a bunch more times, but fix it in between trials? Legoman also said that he was going over a roof, so we might want to do a low, slow, roof-level fight and shoot it from the front.
This is truly fascinating, thank you for the experiment.
-Penguin
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Sweet Corsair there Cap. :aok
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It's a good thing you've got that trailer to transport that plane. :neener:
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I have one that'll shoot BB's full auto, it looks very, very real. Made by D-Boys, typically shoots 7mm plastic,
6mm
but BB's will work just fine if you increase the power on the Hop-Up system to account for their weight. Consider this, a cheap springer will put a hole through a sled at ten feet, imagine a full auto-BB gun at say 30 feet!
No it won't. A standard BB is IIRC .177 caliber or about 4.5mm. Especially considering at its hardest bite a hopup protrudes maybe a millimeter into the chamber I don't think the BB would even be able to sit without rolling the barrel at any kind angle.
I'd also like to know what kind of sled you're putting holes in....
Load: .2 gram BB's
ROF: 180 rpm
MPS: 180 mps
Pretty interesting numbers you're throwing out there... mind posting some kind of logic behind them?
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Sweet Corsair there Cap. :aok
thannnk ya sir. it's an alpha models arf........
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It's a good thing you've got that trailer to transport that plane. :neener:
that one, and this baby..........
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/PHOT0003-1.jpg)
and if anyone were to shoot at this one, they would be found much much later, feeding the turkey vultures. :noid
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CAP why do you have a r/c bomber ???
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CAP why do you have a r/c bomber ???
cause i'm gonna raid the r/c field with secret torpedoes...they haven't been shipped yet...... :noid
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Cap im working on a B25-H 96" wingspan twin 65's, where all the electronics mount i will still be able to cut in bombay doors and run a servo to open and close them, ill snap some pics of the plane when its further along, they make scale plastic bombs you can fill with flour, they look really cool dropping out and hitting the ground
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shooting at RC Plane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVms5xxwpEE
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that one, and this baby..........
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/PHOT0003-1.jpg)
and if anyone were to shoot at this one, they would be found much much later, feeding the turkey vultures. :noid
yar, same thing with my P40
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs174.snc3/20145_1197000405654_1247804014_30468375_2852089_n.jpg)
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6mmNo it won't. A standard BB is IIRC .177 caliber or about 4.5mm. Especially considering at its hardest bite a hopup protrudes maybe a millimeter into the chamber I don't think the BB would even be able to sit without rolling the barrel at any kind angle.
I'd also like to know what kind of sled you're putting holes in....
Pretty interesting numbers you're throwing out there... mind posting some kind of logic behind them?
Numbers came from airsplat.
I fired a 6mm all-plastic pellet at 3 meters into a plastic sled, went through it like butter. The springer was a clone of a G-36K assault rifle, just smaller and made of plastic. Again, I do my pellet stuff with Polish weapons. 6mm must not work with Polish guns that aren't springers.
I don't know, it's my uncle's gun. We'll have to see wether BB's will work with it.
-Penguin
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Numbers came from airsplat.
No, it's 7mm, believe me, I tried 6mm, and it's too small, the feed system broke. I don't know, but I've been using 6mm in springers, and 7mm for this gun. It only shoots 7mm, from my experiments. Perhaps because I bought it in Poland, the feed is different. I don't know the make and model anymore, it's too old. The magazine catch isn't that great anymore, but it'll still shoot.
I fired a 6mm all-plastic pellet at 3 meters into a plastic sled, went through it like butter. The springer was a clone of a G-36K assault rifle, just smaller and made of plastic. Again, I do my pellet stuff with Polish weapons. 6mm must not work with Polish guns that aren't springers.
I'll see if I can't get some BB's for it, it'll have to be Polish though. They don't really care about the pellet gun laws there. Heck, you have to be 18+(read the box), and I see 8-9 year olds coming out of that shack, armed to the teeth. I go to Poland on vacation, though. I was 11 when I got the beasty!
-Penguin
Link?
Not only is 180m/s a ridiculously high figure but 180 RPM is ridiculously low.
Where you bought it doesn't really matter, either, as airsoft gun manufacturers exist only in Japan, Hong Kong, the ROC, the PRC, and South Korea. DBOY is a Chinese company.
Also there are two sizes of airsoft BB, 6mm and 8mm, 8mm being antiquated and, comparatively, extremely expensive.
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Shoot, I didn't kill the post fast enough.
I was just guessing around with those. I'm alternating between off and on with my good arguments. Hold on...
Good one coming in...
Alright. So, here we go. The rifle is 7mm, 6mm broke it. From what I've done with pellet guns (small numbers of experiments), I've found that the DBoys will bouce back off of dirt and richochet higher than it was fired from. A cheap springer went through a plastic thread. The gun was marked as a BB gun in the box. So all I know is that I'll need some BB's to test it out on the kind of plastic you use.
It shipped with plastic pellets, but that conflicts with the designation. Can I get some help on this?
-Penguin
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Where was it made? Are there any manufacturer's marks?
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All there is is a sticker on the side of the gun.
It reads, and I quote (all errors are intentionally there):
Boyi arisfoft
Warning
For he sake of safety, always cover the muzzle
don't peek into the muzzle in case of injury and cause ablepsia
Please read the instruction carefully
Please don't aim at other people or animals
No stampings that indicate where or when the gun was made. No markings, no flare orange muzzle tip. Without that sticker, it would fool anyone if they didn't look closely (top of magazine, pull cocking handle to reveal hop-up, look at handguard to see wires).
-Penguin
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Boyi, DBOY and Kalash are all different incarnations of the same company based in the Peoples' Republic of China.
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it would have plenty of energy to penetrate. a bb probably wouldn't hit anything inside that could cripple the plane though.
these things are hard to hit. when we did it to the t34, it took 3 different guys trying to get it.....and then the paintball penetrated the covering, and hit the elevator linkage, breaking it.
Over summer, at my house, and yes we have video, another guy from
AH and I up-armored his Trex-550 helicopter against paintball rounds. It took them rather well. The except partbis that one round hit sn area, that despite being armored up, with some fancy paintball jfk moves, tool out the roll linkage on the 90* swash plate and down she went hard. Paintballs, over BB's whether lead or airsoft, carry so much kinetic energy at 300 feet per second - it absolutely shreads anything if it penetrates a vulnerable surface. I'll find the video tonight. Might still be up in the Oclub.
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Penguin, despite your figures earlier in the thread, I don't think it's so far fetched that you could shoot down an RC airplane with an airsoft gun, provided a couple of conditions are met...
a) the airplane would probably have to be flying not much further than 50ft from the shooter
b) the airplane would probably have to be made of foam or maybe with a balsa frame or a similarly strong (or I should say weak) material
c) you'd have to have a couple hundred rounds to throw out :)
I have no doubts that an airsoft gun would rip an RC plane up under these conditions.
There's a few issues with trying to apply an airsoft gun for this purpose, all of which trace themselves back to the projectile;
BB's are spheres, which are decidedly unaerodynamic shapes.
An airsoft BB is large and made of plastic, so that it transfers little energy on impact, and over a wide surface area (as to not penetrate the target).
Since airsoft BB's are large, not very dense, unaerodynamic objects, they don't fly all that well, are easily affected by the wind, and don't have that much range, especially if the range you're measuring is that at which it can actually do damage to its target (which we are in this case).
Of course now you're throwing in a moving target, which drew me to the criteria above.
Now, if you'd like some real numbers, listen up :) Brought the camera and gear out today (mainly because I wanted to see if my chronograph still worked and re-sight in my gun... and take some purdy pitchers), with the intention of recording some numbers for you and demonstrating what is realistically possible...
First off, testing materials...
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/AKEX.jpg)
Madbull Chronograph, AE .25g BB's (the 25% increase in weight over a standard .2g is worth it :) ), full can of Diet Pepsi (real men drink HFCS!) camera (not pictured, mainly because it's taking the picture :) ), LCT AKS-74, and a couple of magazines of BB's.
The chronograph is designed with this purpose specifically in mind so it has some fun, useful functions. First we have FPS and M/S (respectively). Colors are manipulated because my camera doesn't seem to like LCD's.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/FPS3134.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/MS955.jpg)
Then rate of fire in RPS and RPM respectively.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/ROF126.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/ROF760.jpg)
A nice thing that this chronograph does, as it's purpose designed for airsoft, is allow you to select BB weight, and the chronograph will take that weight and the speed measurement and convert it into joules, giving you a measurement of the energy of the BB at the muzzle. You can see what I mean by low energy of an airsoft BB, IIRC a paintball carries something like 16-17 joules of energy at the muzzle.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/joules112.jpg)
These are pretty standard figures for a mid to high end airsoft gun, with exception to the ROF because I have a crappy motor in it.
Now for some tests that look a bit more meaningful than some numbers... watermelons are to R. Lee Ermey as aluminum cans are to me. If you've never watched Mail Call then you don't deserve to understand what I mean :neener:
There's not much more fun than blowing up a full can of soda, and since the results seem to be more explosive (nyuk nyuk) with more power going to the can I shot it from only 6 feet away... however my AK is capable at penetration at much further distances.
'Look at him squirm'
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/CloseUpBefore.jpg)
Seconds later...
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/CloseUpAfter.jpg)
I should have video taped it... it's actually pretty entertaining :) All of the soda is gone instantaneously... nothing but residue is left in the can. It's really cool.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/CloseUp1.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/CloseUp2.jpg)
Next I set up 45 feet away & fired about 15-20 shots. I really should have done this with an empty, but pristine can as the results are more useful; with the can split like it was, there's a lot more give in the aluminum and the BBs ricochet a lot more. You can see, however, where a couple of BB's found their way through the split, and hit an area of the can that was more or less intact; they had no problem making their way through.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/45yd15.jpg)
As much as I'd like to try this with a plane I don't own an RC aircraft. It would be pretty fun, though :devil
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Ok, now here are the JPS and JPM, respectively:
(Note, I rounded things up to the nearest integer and went to the high end of the spectrum just to see what the max is)
JPS=J*RPS
J=16
RPS=13
JPS=16*13
JPS=208
JPM=J*RPM
J=16
RPM=760
JPM=16*760
JPM=12,160
Correct me if I am wrong on these.
My mom is going to get rid of our plates and buy one, uniform set, so I might just get the chance to see if I can test my BB gun. (No BB's though, can't find them).
-Penguin
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You have a chronograph... and used it to prove a point on the BBS...
haha, well done sir. :aok
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Video pre-shootdown.
http://www.facebook.com/v/108556696213 (http://www.facebook.com/v/108556696213)