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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: A8TOOL on February 19, 2010, 12:30:05 AM
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What I miss about AH is the camaraderie of being part of a squad. The teamwork involved... the satisfaction I got out of completing missions while killing for my country and crew as silly as that sounds.
I especially miss the competition end of it. Fighting till your dead , dead, dead instead of running like a puss made me better. I wasn't as good as some but better than most because of it. I always hated runners and gave much respect to the guys who fought. At the time I felt the game was an extension of myself, a part of me I could express to the community, try to pass on and be proud of.
I remember there being a time when the game helped me through one of the toughest times in my life. I always knew I could hop on, be with some friends and enjoy being part of a friendly group of guys throwing back a few on the weekends and enjoy myself............. I'd forget about everything and just fly.
Team work, Honor and Respect.... was the motto of every squad I ever flew with in this silly game.
Miss you all and SALUTE!
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:salute A8tool. Tools was flying with you. I would be glad to join your squad when or if you comeback. :cheers:
afew guys getting together for an objective is cool in my book. The 80 plus horde squads are taking over now. Miss 5-8 guys fighter sweeping the
horde kudos. :rock
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What I miss about AH is the camaraderie of being part of a squad. The teamwork involved... the satisfaction I got out of completing missions while killing for my country and crew as silly as that sounds.
I especially miss the competition end of it. Fighting till your dead , dead, dead instead of running like a puss made me better. I wasn't as good as some but better than most because of it. I always hated runners and gave much respect to the guys who fought. At the time I felt the game was an extension of myself, a part of me I could express to the community, try to pass on and be proud of.
I remember there being a time when the game helped me through one of the toughest times in my life. I always knew I could hop on, be with some friends and enjoy being part of a friendly group of guys throwing back a few on the weekends and enjoy myself............. I'd forget about everything and just fly.
Team work, Honor and Respect.... was the motto of every squad I ever flew with in this silly game.
Miss you all and SALUTE!
hey A8tools,
was allways a presure to fight with or against you!
S!
dhyran
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Hey Tools. I have to agree, I miss the same thibgs. Way to much hording, way to much HOing, way to much ganging a single con. Jayro pointed out my SA must be bad if I always get hoed and ganged. I don't think so. Many a fight starts out as 1 vs 1 but ends with 4 guys trying to HO you to get the kill before the rest of the gang gets you. No respect given for those in the fight.
I find myself flying less each month, the wife is getting pissed I'm under foot all the time! Maybe the fun will come back, or maybe I'll just practice the HO and concentrate on getting kills instead of getting fights.
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Way to much hording, way to much HOing, way to much ganging a single con. Jayro pointed out my SA must be bad if I always get hoed and ganged. I don't think so. Many a fight starts out as 1 vs 1 but ends with 4 guys trying to HO you to get the kill before the rest of the gang gets you. No respect given for those in the fight.
Very true indeed!
When I came back over the holidays I was floored how much of this was goin on, not only the quantity but the quality of players who participated. It seemed the new GOAL or I should say " the refined" goal is to get to the edge of a base about 1K beyond effective ack range about 4-6K above all enemy and cherry over & over & over & over & over!
The other thing I noticed was the finest 2 or 3 squads on at the time were always on the same country :huh and always in the same cherry session. I would think the "BEST" fight would be against the peeps who have the same abilities as you! I would think the "desire" for a "GOOD" fight would encourage those to seek out the opposite country of those who could give them the "GOOD" fight! But alas humans enjoy the "easy" road, and AH is just a microcosm that proves it! IMHO
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The majority of the AcesHigh player base could careless about how they get a kill, just as long as they get one. Generation XBox has infiltrated the ranks. If i want a fair fight i have to go to the offline arena to find one. :mad:
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<S> tool your a good man. I remember when u taught me how to fly better :salute :salute
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The 80 plus horde squads are taking over now. Miss 5-8 guys fighter sweeping the
horde kudos. :rock
Hey Tools. I have to agree, I miss the same thibgs. Way to much hording, way to much HOing, way to much ganging a single con. Jayro pointed out my SA must be bad if I always get hoed and ganged. I don't think so. Many a fight starts out as 1 vs 1 but ends with 4 guys trying to HO you to get the kill before the rest of the gang gets you. No respect given for those in the fight.
I find myself flying less each month, the wife is getting pissed I'm under foot all the time! Maybe the fun will come back, or maybe I'll just practice the HO and concentrate on getting kills instead of getting fights.
The majority of the AcesHigh player base could careless about how they get a kill, just as long as they get one. Generation XBox has infiltrated the ranks. If i want a fair fight i have to go to the offline arena to find one. :mad:
Geez, all this b.s. about hoarding, getting ho'd, gangbanged, picked whatever...like an old woman knitting circle...I haven't been here as long as you guys but even I have sense enough to know...you can pick your own fight most of the time...if you're watching your enemy you can avoid a ho...even the "good sticks" will ho if they think they can get away with it...if you drop down low in a big fight there is a good chance you will get picked...if a base is getting rolled, there is a hoarde there that someone probably called a mission, and if you don't like facing hoardes, stay away from it...and last but not least, if the action is too much to handle there are other arenas besides the 2 lw arenas.
It has nothing to do with the "quality" of the players...what happens in the arenas is what you make of it.
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There is so much emphasis put on the "horde" it is like the aces high boogie man. Watch out or the horde will get ya.
There is still quality fights every where, proof of that is tonight, I upped maybe for an hour. I flew around had 2 great 1v1s with a pilot named bonesaw and a 3v3 3 spits vs 3 190s both very fun.
Some would rather complain and blame others for them not having a good time. Getting away from the horde is easy as asking a pilot to a duel in the 1v1 arena. Had 4 great fights 1v1 with a player just to get away from the MA for a while. The point is, you may have to look for your fun. The great thing is it doesn't take hardly any effort.
Oh and hoing is easily avoidable. :x
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nvm :salute
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Geez, all this b.s. about hoarding, getting ho'd, gangbanged, picked whatever...like an old woman knitting circle...I haven't been here as long as you guys but even I have sense enough to know...you can pick your own fight most of the time...if you're watching your enemy you can avoid a ho...even the "good sticks" will ho if they think they can get away with it...if you drop down low in a big fight there is a good chance you will get picked...if a base is getting rolled, there is a hoarde there that someone probably called a mission, and if you don't like facing hoardes, stay away from it...and last but not least, if the action is too much to handle there are other arenas besides the 2 lw arenas.
It has nothing to do with the "quality" of the players...what happens in the arenas is what you make of it.
As you said you haven't been around as long as us. I know you all WON'T believe this but people in the old days flew with a bit of "honor" for a lack of a better word.
HO'S, yes we had them but it was more like 5% of merges were close to a HO, not like today were 95% are HO's. Most HOs were by newbs just starting out, and when those HOed they were called out on the radio and ridiculed by ALL players. They learned very quickly that is wasn't an accepted way to play.
Hording, really wasn't a problem. First we didn't have the same player density as we have now even tho ALL maps were the small ones. On top of that if there was a big mission in the air the defending team launched a defense. Squads would go head to head all night over one base/area of the map. Today we have weak players trying to hide in the horde AVOIDING any opposition to anything or anyone creating huge imbalances on each front giving you the option of fighting out numbered 4 and 5 to 1 or being part of the horde and trying to get kills before the other 4 guys get him.
Ganging, yes it happened, but even then the gang had some honor or sense of fair play. Nobody would HO, everyone would make their run on the bogie, mostly out of time and out of plane with each other, meaning we didn't have 5 guys chasing 1 guy across the map. By each player making his own run at different times, it gave the bogie a chance. It was almost like he was fighting 5 separate fights, but all at the same time. I remember one fight where there was 3 or 4 of us this 1 lone 38 in one of those valleys on the Mindeao map. I know I died at least twice before the 38 died once, I'm not sure how many times the others died but that 38 racked up 6-8 kills to his one death. It was a great fight and we all...including the bogie, chatted about it for 20 minutes after words. Today a single con doesn't have a chance. Everyone goes for the HO, kill shooter isn't worried about. Deaths no longer matter, only the KILL.
It IS all about the quality of player. Todays player has adopted that mentality "anything and everything for the kill!" 6 or 7 guys on one guy for the kill, 30-40 guys to take a base for the kill. In all of this win the war at any cost crap we have lost the art of the fight. Very few play the game for "combat" any more. Todays players are like those on "Call of Duty". Spawn, run out and get killed taking 1 or 2 with you, repeat. No real skill, no strategy, and a poor shade of the fun they could be having. In the old days death meant something. No you didn't stop flying for the night when you got killed, nor did you spead all your time running from any fight you didn't hold ALL the cards in, but you also didn't just throw your life away each flight.
You newer players don't see a problem with the game because its all you have ever known. You probably thing 1% milk is great. While I do drink 1% milk NOW I remember drinking a tall glass of ice cold WHOLE milk and it was soooooo much better.
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Very well said Fugitive. You hit the nail on the head. Today its all about the landgrab and not caring about the fight. Just as long as we get the base who cares how many times we died. Hey! we got the base alright. Took all of 1.5 minutes to do it but we got the base!
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I used to enjoy the hell out of playing this game. You could log in, find a fight quick, kill or be killed, repeat until you were done.
Now you log in, take off, if you find one enemy plane you'd better be in a 262 to run him down in, cause he sure as hell ain't fighting. If you can find two or three enemy planes, you might be able to get some sort of 'fight', as long as they are all above you. If they are co-alt or lower typically they'll make a couple half-assed passes and run.
So what happened? It isn't limited to one country... just about everyone flies like a sissy. The only GOOD fight I had today was me in a spit against 5 rooks. It is a little pathetic when the only time anyone will do anything other than bore and zoooooooooom is when they have a 5 to 1 numbers advantage, but you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone that will fight with less than that.
Fits nicely into this thread, doesn't it?
Problem is: It's from 2003. A random bit from seven years ago. You can find a lot more like this, from even older times.
Even when I joined in 2005, I read the recurring complaints about how the gameplay has degrade, how nobody is going to FIGHT anymore, it's just landgrabbing, Hoing running anymore. And that the game / gameplay was sooo much better 2-4 years ago.
Today I read the same stuff by guys that joined about the same time as me. They remember how good the fights were back in 2005, and tell us how bad it is today.
Full circle.
The generation joining today will do the same in 4 years: "oh man, in 2010 they knew how to fight. Now it's 2014, and all they now do is hording & running!"
Any actual changes aside - many players tend to ignore the fact that they are changing too. The same fight that once gave you a rush of adrenaline once ago may be just a boring interlude today. The same battle that once made you talk about for days can easily make you log off today. "been there, dome that". Your standards may be rising, but you perceive it as if the standards of the arena are lowering.
Let me reprise an old anecdote:
There was that player who joined about the same time as me. I clearly remember camping spawns in our tigers, side by side,landing 50+ kills (spawn camping was far easier back then!). We had fun, and we proudly did collect our share of "WTFG" on country channel.
Three years later I did see him complain about how much the game sucks today, and "It's all just spawncamping n00bs now."
Just food for thought.
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As you said you haven't been around as long as us. I know you all WON'T believe this but people in the old days flew with a bit of "honor" for a lack of a better word.
HO'S, yes we had them but it was more like 5% of merges were close to a HO, not like today were 95% are HO's. Most HOs were by newbs just starting out, and when those HOed they were called out on the radio and ridiculed by ALL players. They learned very quickly that is wasn't an accepted way to play.
Hording, really wasn't a problem. First we didn't have the same player density as we have now even tho ALL maps were the small ones. On top of that if there was a big mission in the air the defending team launched a defense. Squads would go head to head all night over one base/area of the map. Today we have weak players trying to hide in the horde AVOIDING any opposition to anything or anyone creating huge imbalances on each front giving you the option of fighting out numbered 4 and 5 to 1 or being part of the horde and trying to get kills before the other 4 guys get him.
Ganging, yes it happened, but even then the gang had some honor or sense of fair play. Nobody would HO, everyone would make their run on the bogie, mostly out of time and out of plane with each other, meaning we didn't have 5 guys chasing 1 guy across the map. By each player making his own run at different times, it gave the bogie a chance. It was almost like he was fighting 5 separate fights, but all at the same time. I remember one fight where there was 3 or 4 of us this 1 lone 38 in one of those valleys on the Mindeao map. I know I died at least twice before the 38 died once, I'm not sure how many times the others died but that 38 racked up 6-8 kills to his one death. It was a great fight and we all...including the bogie, chatted about it for 20 minutes after words. Today a single con doesn't have a chance. Everyone goes for the HO, kill shooter isn't worried about. Deaths no longer matter, only the KILL.
It IS all about the quality of player. Todays player has adopted that mentality "anything and everything for the kill!" 6 or 7 guys on one guy for the kill, 30-40 guys to take a base for the kill. In all of this win the war at any cost crap we have lost the art of the fight. Very few play the game for "combat" any more. Todays players are like those on "Call of Duty". Spawn, run out and get killed taking 1 or 2 with you, repeat. No real skill, no strategy, and a poor shade of the fun they could be having. In the old days death meant something. No you didn't stop flying for the night when you got killed, nor did you spead all your time running from any fight you didn't hold ALL the cards in, but you also didn't just throw your life away each flight.
You newer players don't see a problem with the game because its all you have ever known. You probably thing 1% milk is great. While I do drink 1% milk NOW I remember drinking a tall glass of ice cold WHOLE milk and it was soooooo much better.
Fugitive hits the ball out of the park +100 :cheers: It's turning into a "quake" or CoDMW type kill kill kill whatever i see just kill it, thats what i see more of now, non HOing merges are something rare and when i get a clean merge i know its going to be a fun 1V1 of course untill someone clears my 12 :rofl Fugitive your right and i do miss those more Honorable days <S> Whole Milk Does a Body Good :aok pass it on
...edit will see you when you get back A8TOOL, really going to miss that "A8TOOL Shot You Down" see ya <S>
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Very well said Fugitive. You hit the nail on the head. Today its all about the landgrab and not caring about the fight. Just as long as we get the base who cares how many times we died. Hey! we got the base alright. Took all of 1.5 minutes to do it but we got the base!
Your wrong about the landgrab part, taking a base a few years back insured a night long fight for just one base, back then people didnt really care about Score, K/D ratio, Today you can still have a heck of a battle at a base if people werent so worried about hurting there scores if they die to much, its the ones that see the attack comming and go the other way, instead of turning your toon plane and fight it out man its just a toon plan and who really cares about your score or rank most players dont, the only reasons a base gets rolled is no one cares enough to up a defence, hense the quake style of play.
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Your wrong about the landgrab part, taking a base a few years back insured a night long fight for just one base, back then people didnt really care about Score, K/D ratio, Today you can still have a heck of a battle at a base if people werent so worried about hurting there scores if they die to much,
How many years ago? Surely not five, because it was almost the same as it is now. We had runners, socreboys, sneaking NOE landgrabbers and all the complaints about them.
"Nobody fights anymore" was one of the first things I read when i joined the game. I was told "All the good guys are long gone". Read the BBS stuff of 2003, 2004, 2005... same complaints.
I'm afraid many of you are just idealizing the past. It's the same as "Today's music is crap, back when I was young, there was some REAL music and talent around". My dad was getting told that stuff when he was young, so was I in the 70's and 80's, and I read the same stuff by my generation today.
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The glass is always half empty for some people.
"The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign/symptom of little souls and inferior intellects".
Lord Jeffrey
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As you said you haven't been around as long as us. I know you all WON'T believe this but people in the old days flew with a bit of "honor" for a lack of a better word.
I guess I am not from the old days but have been here since 2004. I do not see one bit of difference in how the players play this game. One of the very first base captures I was in on was a large
hoard much like they are today at times. I was hoed so many times that I finally thought will this is the way the game is played, same as today. If you don't go evasive on the merge you were and are going to get
a face full of lead then and today. I remember flying over a nme base and seeing furballs that will match anything there is today because of the one map arena. It is all the same nothings changed only players
perception of how the good old days were. I remember one time when I was a new newb just getting reamed by a player because i could not kill a M3 in town, not much honor there.
Same old rants about ho's, collisions, cheaters, rammers, bomber bailers, pickers, campers vulchers, squeakers, etc. then and now.
I guess Fugitive you memory of history of this game is much different than mine.
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I fall into the newer players. I started playing this game in Jan of 2007. For the first six months I did not know better to not ho. Over time I have worked my butt off to avoid the Ho passes. I learned going for the Ho was one of the best ways to put yourself at a disadvantage for the rest of the fight. Instead of preparing or reacting for the next move, one cranks the rudder in hope of getting that golden bb in the cockpit. Meanwhile I am already climbing for position.
The "Hoards" have been going on. I kind of like challenging myself, going against them. I get frustrated when I get killed by five or six players but then I think, hey, they needed six of 'em to kill me :) . They must see me as a real threat. It helps me to get over it fairly quickly.
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Back in the good old days, when a handful of cons happened upon a single con, the first guy there was "in" and we'd let them fight it out, 1v1. Some squads didn't do this, but squads I associated with did.
Nowadays, I'm a dinosaur, when I see a 1v1, I'll ask my involved teammate is he needs help or prefers the 1v1. I'm old. I know this becuase the current MA behavior is to just jump the guy with the whole gang.
Last night I got bounced by a guy... think his name was GMC31st... something like that. He shot me down before I could get my headset on. *drats!* :D
I returned to the fight and broke him down to the point he started running and his friends died. Undamaged, he beelined to his closest base, a V base over a sector away. I could tell by the dar that he was vectoring help to his location. Alone I chased his tiffie all the way, until he was just outside his ack. By now he had pulled 2.5 ahead of me. As his 2 friends arrived overhead, and just at the edge of the Vbase, GMC31st reversed and headed towards me. Of course, he tried to HO me. I quickly reversed him and put a couple of bullets into his plane. Of course, he then ran straight to ack, his friends not quite close enough to help him. I killed him in the ack, taking some hits and getting slow in the process. Of course, both his friends then bounced me, neither having the stomach for fighting a low, slow and damaged pony. The old days weren't perfect, but they were way better than this.
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I remember one fight where there was 3 or 4 of us this 1 lone 38 in one of those valleys on the Mindeao map. I know I died at least twice before the 38 died once, I'm not sure how many times the others died but that 38 racked up 6-8 kills to his one death. It was a great fight and we all...including the bogie, chatted about it for 20 minutes after words.
I remember that guy.Was riverofdeath.Jebus he could fly that 38.
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What ruined it was when the 8-player "freeloaders" joined the MA.... thats what ruined it I tell ya.... :devil :bolt:
How do wolves hunt? Sharks etc... Get a wing man or two and cover one anothers butts.... or fly to the huge red darbar alone at low alt.... Its all about choices. As for the runners....why even play the game?
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just fly of peak (U.S)....you get some of that but the majority is good fun fighting....
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Hey Tools. I have to agree, I miss the same thibgs. Way to much hording, way to much HOing, way to much ganging a single con. Jayro pointed out my SA must be bad if I always get hoed and ganged. I don't think so. Many a fight starts out as 1 vs 1 but ends with 4 guys trying to HO you to get the kill before the rest of the gang gets you. No respect given for those in the fight.
I find myself flying less each month, the wife is getting pissed I'm under foot all the time! Maybe the fun will come back, or maybe I'll just practice the HO and concentrate on getting kills instead of getting fights.
QFT :salute
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"The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign/symptom of little souls and inferior intellects".
Lord Jeffrey
oooh Im saving that one!!
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I blame Karaya!
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Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
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Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
:aok
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I especially miss the competition end of it. Fighting till your dead , dead, dead instead of running like a puss made me better.
I don't understand when you dive a p51 and hit his oil and hes 2+ sectors away from his closest base he still runs which ends up with him out of oil and i get the kill. When he could reverse on me and perhaps beat me even though i will probably have the better position. Seems like people would rather 100% time die then fight and have maybe 60% chance of dying it really makes no since.
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I don't understand when you dive a p51 and hit his oil and hes 2+ sectors away from his closest base he still runs which ends up with him out of oil and i get the kill. When he could reverse on me and perhaps beat me even though i will probably have the better position. Seems like people would rather 100% time die then fight and have maybe 60% chance of dying it really makes no since.
It's sometimes an attempt to turn it around and make you the dweeb to chase em for 2 sectors. :huh I don't understand either so don't bother lol. I agree some of the time the fight is not much fun, people run from clean 1v1s, even when their ride is superior, only to turn around and come back when you try to head to a different fight. I just wing up with 1 or 2 squaddies and skirt the edge of a fight, we give a clean 1v1 to anyone who flies out alone.
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Fits nicely into this thread, doesn't it?
Problem is: It's from 2003. A random bit from seven years ago. You can find a lot more like this, from even older times.
Even when I joined in 2005, I read the recurring complaints about how the gameplay has degrade, how nobody is going to FIGHT anymore, it's just landgrabbing, Hoing running anymore. And that the game / gameplay was sooo much better 2-4 years ago.
Today I read the same stuff by guys that joined about the same time as me. They remember how good the fights were back in 2005, and tell us how bad it is today.
Full circle.
The generation joining today will do the same in 4 years: "oh man, in 2010 they knew how to fight. Now it's 2014, and all they now do is hording & running!"
Any actual changes aside - many players tend to ignore the fact that they are changing too. The same fight that once gave you a rush of adrenaline once ago may be just a boring interlude today. The same battle that once made you talk about for days can easily make you log off today. "been there, dome that". Your standards may be rising, but you perceive it as if the standards of the arena are lowering.
Let me reprise an old anecdote:
There was that player who joined about the same time as me. I clearly remember camping spawns in our tigers, side by side,landing 50+ kills (spawn camping was far easier back then!). We had fun, and we proudly did collect our share of "WTFG" on country channel.
Three years later I did see him complain about how much the game sucks today, and "It's all just spawncamping n00bs now."
Just food for thought.
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just fly of peak (U.S)....you get some of that but the majority is good fun fighting....
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The glass is always half empty for some people.
This is also very true here. I have a rather unique approach to this age old phrase. I like to think that the glass is half empty, but only because I've been drinking and enjoying it for a long time already.