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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 1carbine on February 19, 2010, 03:16:55 PM
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I went searching through the internet for jets of world war 2, and we don't have any allied jets. The allied jet that saw the most combat (correct me if I'm wrong) was the Gloster meteor F 3, not as fast as an ME 262 but with a tighter turning radius. It has 4 20mm's like the tempest anyone who has been shot down by a tempest or fly's a tempest knows how effective they are, and can hold 16 3inch rockets.With a top speed just shy of 500mph It's no slouch but can still be caught up with for a good dogfight I think it would give the ME 262 a run for it's money and would be cool to have an allied jet. Not really expecting anything from this just a point of view. :salute
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Yea, that is the ONLY Allied Fighter Jet! :lol
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+1 and waiting for the PR guy from The Few.
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Bit of an ugly duckling like most early jets but it would be good to go against 262's in
(http://www.harrowmodellingsociety.co.uk/gmeteor.jpg)
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they were only used to shoot down V1 Rockets, the RAF did not want to fly them over germany in fear off losing one to the Germans...however near the end of the war they were used in low level ground attack..with only 20 being produced and 17 being sent to the RAF squadron??
Deos that qualify for the plane to be added?
Im not for or against it, but would rather see some more Luft, Japanese and Russian birds first.
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Did any Jet vs Jet action take place in WW2?
I would like to see the Allies represented in this category though....
Strip
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Did any Jet vs Jet action take place in WW2?
No.
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No jet vs. jet til Korea but they came awful close a few times lol they where moved to where they thought the ME 262's would strike next.
The Gloster meteor Mk III had more than 20 made can't find the exact number but closer to 100 Maximum level speed at sea level: 486mph Maximum level speed at 30,000ft: 493mph fight against it like a 262 with a better turning radius should put up a good fight :devil
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+1
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616 Squadron traded in their Spits for Meteors in mid 44. They chased V-1s and went around to Allied fighter and bomber bases to help develop tactics for fighting the German jets. They did get on to the continent towards the end of the war but never encountered a 262 or were involved in air combat. Did they fire their guns in anger? Yep. Still would be down the list for me with other birds ahead of it that saw substantially more WW2 combat.
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http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415 (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415)
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http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415 (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415)
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its a good idea......but if they never saw air v air combat in real life then why why should it be put in-game and see air v air combat?
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yup thats what we need, is another tool to cherrypick and destroy good fights. I'm all in on this :rolleyes:
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I'm not trying to destroy good dogfights, I mean it would be nice to have jet v jet combat, but it never happened in WW2, so why give a possability of it in a WW2 game like AH
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I'm not trying to destroy good dogfights, I mean it would be nice to have jet v jet combat, but it never happened in WW2, so why give a possability of it in a WW2 game like AH
Because of the following question: "What if?"
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???
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Because of the following question: "What if?"
That's my favorite question!! They hate me at work because of it.
:rock
Also, don't forget the three YP-80's that flew around Italy in 1945.
:devil
wrongway
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oh yah, another perked plane. . .
tbh, If the existing planest were more complete - then I would be all for it, but as it stands the Japanese and Russian planesets are very much lacking, and as someone who was born and raised in Japan and who continually triest to master the yak-9 (tough bird to master) and is eagerly waiting for the Yak-3 (time to reform a NN Squad to go against some of the better Luft squads) - I just rather see HTCs energy spent more wisly.
But then again, thats just me.
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oh yah, another perked plane. . .
tbh, If the existing planest were more complete - then I would be all for it, but as it stands the Japanese and Russian planesets are very much lacking, and as someone who was born and raised in Japan and who continually triest to master the yak-9 (tough bird to master) and is eagerly waiting for the Yak-3 (time to reform a NN Squad to go against some of the better Luft squads) - I just rather see HTCs energy spent more wisly.
But then again, thats just me.
good call
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So let me get this right, the meteor meets the criteria to be added to game, but some don't want it added just in case it comes up against the 262???
Spurious argument that one, just in case - sheesh. I'd like to see it added, but there are more pressing planes that should be added first (Russian, Japanese etc)
Wurzel
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So let me get this right, the meteor meets the criteria to be added to game, but some don't want it added just in case it comes up against the 262???
Spurious argument that one, just in case - sheesh. I'd like to see it added, but there are more pressing planes that should be added first (Russian, Japanese etc)
Wurzel
its a perfectly reasonable argument.. historically 262s never met Meteors, so we shouldent have them..
of course jugs never shot down tempests, 109s never squared off against 190s.. and a jug never tried to shoot down a B17 being escorted by a yak..
but hey thats different.. somehow... yea
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I'm not trying to destroy good dogfights, I mean it would be nice to have jet v jet combat, but it never happened in WW2, so why give a possability of it in a WW2 game like AH
Because this game is not WW2, its a game, meant to have fun. If adding the meteor offers some fun, why not add it? :)
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Uh huh - you a mind reader Wingnutt, that was going to be my next point.......off now to think of something else...lol.....
Wurzel
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Because this game is not WW2, its a game, meant to have fun. If adding the meteor offers some fun, why not add it? :)
besides the british is the one of the largest in-game..... therussian and japanese aircraft sets hardley have anything!
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besides the british is the one of the largest in-game..... therussian and japanese aircraft sets hardley have anything!
I never said it should have priority over any of the other badly needed aircraft, did I?
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"badly needed aircraft" tends to include 60% aircraft that you will see for a week and never again.
If I recall we just HAD to have the Brewster and I16..
good thing we got em too, game is MUCH more complete now with them sitting in the hangar.
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With the limited production and use of the Komet, I would think the Meteor should be included as well.
I would also pass the thought that expanding the criteria for new aircraft would not necessarily be a bad idea. After all, most of the time we tend to be hearing about wishing for more of a Spit, more of a 190/109, Lord knows we all need that 38H all the SAPPER's keep telling us about. Same ole' things.
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"badly needed aircraft" tends to include 60% aircraft that you will see for a week and never again.
If I recall we just HAD to have the Brewster and I16..
good thing we got em too, game is MUCH more complete now with them sitting in the hangar.
I see a lot of people flying the brewster, and no one ever said adding two EW aircraft was going to be game changing.
I guess we shouldn't add any more planes then, since we already have most of the heavily used LW rides.
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I'm not trying to destroy good dogfights, I mean it would be nice to have jet v jet combat, but it never happened in WW2, so why give a possability of it in a WW2 game like AH
Me-262 to ME 163 combat P-51 to Spit combat FW-190 to NiK2 combat and P-47 to F4U combat never happened either but it happens daily here.
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Not WWII so much as a game with late 30s and 1940's hardware. If we were playing a strictly WWII game there wouldn't be 3 sides and we wouldn't be able to fly the same planes on each side. Just saying that anything is possible. That said how about some sabers?
Infdelz
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http://www.vectorsite.net/avmeteor.html#m4 (http://www.vectorsite.net/avmeteor.html#m4)
some info there.
exactly "what if?" we're having 6 week scenario on "what if?".
and why does no one want to expand the game everyone who has played for years and has racked up 50,000+ points thinks everyone and there mother has just as many points when thats not true perk this thing just shy of the ME 262 and it may put something between the ME 262 and the Tempest V.
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yup thats what we need, is another tool to cherrypick and destroy good fights. I'm all in on this :rolleyes:
Actually if you look at it from a different light, it's one more tool to counter the Me262 dweebs that continuously cherrypick and destroy good fights. :aok
Oh wait... :uhoh
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:lol
Actually if you look at it from a different light, it's one more tool to counter the Me262 dweebs that continuously cherrypick and destroy good fights. :aok
Oh wait... :uhoh
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Actually if you look at it from a different light, it's one more tool to counter the Me262 dweebs that continuously cherrypick and destroy good fights. :aok
Oh wait... :uhoh
If we made the perk cost to an average of 120-150 it would make a nice bomber interceptor that wouldn't cost you an arm,leg, and first born.
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Actually if you look at it from a different light, it's one more tool to counter the Me262 dweebs that continuously cherrypick and destroy good fights.
I never seen anybody doing that.....oh wait, you killed me three time this month doing that.
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I got shot down by an ME 262 ONCE, shot down an ME 262 ONCE, got shot down by an ME 163 ONCE. Have never shot down an ME 163 lol
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I never seen anybody doing that.....oh wait, you killed me three time this month doing that.
:lol
:aok
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I say we need a allied jet.
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I say we need a allied jet.
.....alot of people have said that...on the thread I started...and the one you started when you saw mine... :old:
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And don't forget the one started by that guy that saw the other thread started by the other guy too that saw a thread about it once..............
.....alot of people have said that...on the thread I started...and the one you started when you saw mine... :old:
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I'm not going to use the forum's to vent my frustration so to answer a few questions,
They produced 210 Meteor MkIII's and They where not used as fighters (although you can fight in them) they where used to intercept The V-1 and V-2 flying bombs and ground attacks and kept in place to intercept the ME 262 since it was too risky to have it fly over german held territory for intelligence and security reasons. and the closest it ever came to Jet Vs. Jet was when Arados bombed there air field.
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How exactly does one intercept a V-2 with... anything?
wrongway
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I said they tried not that they succeeded
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In the air during WW2? Nothing after a few seconds of flight time......
Best defense against the V-2 was intelligence, learning the location of launch sites and destroying them. To my knowledge (albeit lacking on WW2) no interception of an airborne V-2 took place. I am not aware of any attempts for that matter either, even the chance for an attempt at that.
(Even now we would have a hard time intercepting a V-2 post launch.)
Strip
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I said they tried not that they succeeded
You do realize the V-2 is a ballistic missile, correct? :rolleyes:
(http://moontag.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/v-2.gif)
The only way I think you could possible interpret "they tried..." was by bombing the launch sights. Otherwise, I think you must be thinking of something other than the V-2.
wrongway
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"After the end of the V-1 threat, and the introduction of the supersonic V-2, the Meteor F 1 was not deployed further in combat against the Luftwaffe. The RAF was at this time forbidden to fly Meteor missions over German-held territory for intelligence security reasons, and in any case the greatly improved F 3 was in prospect."
Got that from wikipedia.
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I am not aware of any Allied siting of a V-2 in launch phase.....
Strip
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Who said V2?
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Sorry I misunderstood a piece of information feel free to call me dumb.
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Sorry I misunderstood a piece of information feel free to call me dumb.
Man are you DUMB ! :D
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:D Atleast someone took up the chance.
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I do not believe that the Meteor would be effective in the Arena. According to wikipedia, the top speed of the F 1 was only 410mph at 10k (can someone confirm?). Last time I played, if i remember correctly, the K4 pushed 420 in level flight with WEP at 10k or something like that.
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I do not believe that the Meteor would be effective in the Arena. According to wikipedia, the top speed of the F 1 was only 410mph at 10k (can someone confirm?). Last time I played, if i remember correctly, the K4 pushed 420 in level flight with WEP at 10k or something like that.
The Mk III is the one that is valid for adding to AH, not the Mk I.
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I do not believe that the Meteor would be effective in the Arena. According to wikipedia, the top speed of the F 1 was only 410mph at 10k (can someone confirm?). Last time I played, if i remember correctly, the K4 pushed 420 in level flight with WEP at 10k or something like that.
I'm talking about the MkIII it does 486mph at sea level which can be hard to catch up with sometimes even out of a dive. And the K4 does 410mph WEP on at 10k.
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And it has a bubble cockpit for great views of the people your flying away from :D
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they were only used to shoot down V1 Rockets, the RAF did not want to fly them over germany in fear off losing one to the Germans...however near the end of the war they were used in low level ground attack..with only 20 being produced and 17 being sent to the RAF squadron??
Deos that qualify for the plane to be added?
Im not for or against it, but would rather see some more Luft, Japanese and Russian birds first.
not to many 262s in service as well.
very few 163s i think too
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http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415 (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415)
lmao
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lmao
me too
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"Got that from wikipedia"
lol. Might as well make up anythign you wish and post it if you're
going to quote wikipedia as the basis for your facts.
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Aw come on, we all know if its posted on the Inter-web, its gotta be fact!
V2 is up there with nuke-capable B-29s, in-air repairs, windscreen cleaner, and 100LL on V-bases so you can refuel your Pony.
That's 5 minutes of my life that I'm not getting back...
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How do you really feel about it?
That's 5 minutes of my life that I'm not getting back...
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"Got that from wikipedia"
lol. Might as well make up anythign you wish and post it if you're
going to quote wikipedia as the basis for your facts.
yeah really again my bad. wasn't in WWII didn't fly the meteor so I just have to go on what historical sights say.
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I'm not trying to destroy good dogfights, I mean it would be nice to have jet v jet combat, but it never happened in WW2, so why give a possability of it in a WW2 game like AH
We already have rocket VS jet.....
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Sure would be nice if we had them would make the final battle more realistic. :bolt:
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Lord knows we all need that 38H all the SAPPER's keep telling us about. Same ole' things.
Lighten up Francis, the P-38H thing is a joke and not a serious request at all by anyone in SAPP though we would not turn a blind eye if HiTech decided to add it.
ack-ack
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There's no supply without demand if you want it let them hear it :D +1
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i am for it, the arguments against it don't apply since we have aircraft fighting against aircraft that never fought against each other for real.
but i would not put it ahead of anything on my list as follows
YAK-3
M-18 hellcat
some other plane
mk-II
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Yes i think some planes should come before it like the SM-79 and the A-26 but i definitely think it should come before other planes.
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Is there a website where I can find reliable information on aircraft other than Wiki any help would be appreciated :salute
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Is there a website where I can find reliable information on aircraft other than Wiki any help would be appreciated :salute
Books come to mind. Anyway, you start with wiki and investigate the sources they use. Further, google what you are looking for and compare the information.
wrongway
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So if the brits get the MkIII, can we get the Ta152C? :devil
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So if the brits get the MkIII, can we get the Ta152C? :devil
You'll probably get yours first lol
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So if the brits get the MkIII, can we get the Ta152C? :devil
Did the Ta152C see combat and squadron level service on production airframes?
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"Got that from wikipedia"
lol. Might as well make up anythign you wish and post it if you're
going to quote wikipedia as the basis for your facts.
Generally speaking Wikipedia is pretty accurate about historical stuff, not too often does incorrect info stay one there for very long.
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Did the Ta152C see combat and squadron level service on production airframes?
Eywitness reports post-war seem to indicate that to be the case. However, no real evidence exist to this day and the people in question are now all dead. The short answer would be, no.
It is a very cool bird though, if you're into german engineering.
When & where did the Meteor MkIII see combat and against what type of aircraft? Was it only in action vs V1 rockets or did it also encounter the Luftwaffe? Personally I don't really consider 'in action vs V1 rockets' to count. It's a matter of definition I guess. A interesting aircraft but honestly there are literally hundreds of a/c that deserve to be added before both the Meteor and Ta152C should even be considered.
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Eywitness reports post-war seem to indicate that to be the case. However, no real evidence exist to this day and the people in question are now all dead. The short answer would be, no.
It is a very cool bird though, if you're into german engineering.
When & where did the Meteor MkIII see combat and against what type of aircraft? Was it only in action vs V1 rockets or did it also encounter the Luftwaffe? Personally I don't really consider 'in action vs V1 rockets' to count. It's a matter of definition I guess. A interesting aircraft but honestly there are literally hundreds of a/c that deserve to be added before both the Meteor and Ta152C should even be considered.
It was in service at the squadron level on the continent. While it never shot down any flying German aircraft it did make attacks on German ground positions and installations during which it was shot at. There was one fight against German aircraft that happened, but Allied fighters showed up and went after the Meteors causing them to withdraw before anything was shot down.
The combat requirement is not an air-to-air combat requirement, just combat.
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Bit of an ugly duckling like most early jets but it would be good to go against 262's in
(http://www.harrowmodellingsociety.co.uk/gmeteor.jpg)
I'd say it's beautiful, in the A-10 sorta way :D
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"badly needed aircraft" tends to include 60% aircraft that you will see for a week and never again.
If I recall we just HAD to have the Brewster and I16..
good thing we got em too, game is MUCH more complete now with them sitting in the hangar.
Uh, the Brewster racked up more kills last late war tour (121) than the 109F4, LA5FN, P47D11, P47N, and ME163B. The significance of those models? Those are some of the planes you got kills in last tour.
I would not call the Brewster a hangar queen.
The I-16 only managed to get just over 30 kills a day last tour (903), in the late war arenas. I am pretty sure that would remove the I-16 from 'hangar queen' status as well.
Just FYI.
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I'd say it's beautiful, in the A-10 sorta way :D
So ugly you want one :aok
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I'm not trying to destroy good dogfights, I mean it would be nice to have jet v jet combat, but it never happened in WW2, so why give a possability of it in a WW2 game like AH
I guess we should remove the F4us because they never fought p-51s?
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I guess we should remove the F4us because they never fought p-51s?
But at least the F4U's fought something.
wrongway
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I'm for the Meteor. +
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But at least the F4U's fought something.
wrongway
What are we talking about that didn't fight anything?
The Meteor did fight, but it should be a very low priority.
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I would care to go no further into the jet age in this game than the Me262.
The term "hanger queen" gets thrown around too much. Some folks like to fly all different types of aircraft for all different reason's, weather they shoot anyone down in it or not. When they add the Ki-43 will it ever get as many kills in the MA as a Pony...probably not. But for the special events it will be added to probably just as many setups as the P-39 did when it was added (well not quite as many as the P-39 ;)). Not an MA star but a great plane to add none the less. Plus HTC gets to add another plane to its "Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world." Which is up to what 97 total aircraft, vehicles and a Boat now anyway. Its a win win for all involved. Add the Ki-43 :pray :cheers:
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I would care to go no further into the jet age in this game than the Me262.
good because the meteor was in service before the 262
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good because the meteor was in service before the 262
Really?
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"The Gloster Meteor entered service just after the Messerschmitt Me 262. In July 1944 the experimental unit Erprobungskommando 262 (Test Command 262) began to fly experimental interceptions of high flying Allied reconnaissance aircraft. On 25 July one of their Me 262s clashed with a RAF Mosquito, which escaped, allowing its crew to report their first encounter with a German jet. The first operational sortie of the Gloster Meteor came two days later, on 27 July.
The Gloster Meteor can claim to be the first jet fighter to enter operational service, while No.616 squadron of the RAF was the first operational jet fighter in the work. The first fully operational Me 262 squadron, Kommando Nowotny, was not formed until September 1944, under the command of the famous ace Walter Nowotny, flying its first operation on 3 October."
yep.
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I guess we should remove the F4us because they never fought p-51s?
Corsairs and Mustangs fought each other but not during WW2.
ack-ack
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So.....
"The Gloster Meteor entered service just after the Messerschmitt Me 262.
So it entered service just after the Me262 but.....
good because the meteor was in service before the 262
Sure it wasn't :aok
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So.....
So it entered service just after the Me262 but.....
Sure it wasn't :aok
"The Gloster Meteor can claim to be the first jet fighter to enter operational service, while No.616 squadron of the RAF was the first operational jet fighter in the work. The first fully operational Me 262 squadron, Kommando Nowotny, was not formed until September 1944, under the command of the famous ace Walter Nowotny, flying its first operation on 3 October."
Operational service my bad lol
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The first Meteor Mk I squadron was activated about a week before the first Me262 squadron was.
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Yes which I think should count for something.
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What?
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I was saying that the meteor family was the first jet(s) to enter operational service and it should count for something.
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CRAP !!!!!! just give us the METEOR !!!!!!
ok i feel better now
:banana: froger :banana:
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I've always wanted another jet to compete with the 262 it would be a great edition to the game IMO.
-Spektor
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well hell I guess my efforts to annihilate this thread didn't work(there wasn't any) so a reluctant +1
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well hell I guess my efforts to annihilate this thread didn't work(there wasn't any) so a reluctant +1
all that effort wasted with that +1 :lol