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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: tonbi on September 21, 2000, 01:12:00 PM
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I want to fix the total of the ammunition of N1K2.
The number of the ammunition of the primary gun has 200 rounds,
and the secondary gun has 200 rounds, too.
The primary gun has 250 rounds in the case of overload.
250~2 { 200~2 900.
N1K2 has 900 rounds.
These data are written in the IJN official manual of N1K2.
The mistake which is like AH is described to some literature.
I guess that it is because the mistake is described in the Japanese book.
The name of the book is 'Famous airplanes of the world (NO.53)'.
The Japanese name is 'Sekai no kessakuki(NO.53)'.
P.S.
I can not speak English.
I translated into English with PC.
I am sorry if these are funny sentences.
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Primary guns-250 rds. X 2 =500 rds.
Secondary guns-200 rds X 2 = 400 rds.
Total=900 rds. (Don't forget, you have 4 guns)
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Yes, N1K2 has 4 guns.
But, N1K2 of AH has 600 rds.
Primary guns-200 rds X 2 = 400 rds.
Secondary guns-100 rds X 2 = 200 rds.
Total = 600 rds.
I hope N1K2 of AH has 900 rds.
[This message has been edited by tonbi (edited 09-21-2000).]
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tonbi,
Can you find a way to post a copy of that manual, or images of it. An english translation would be nice as well.
That would, I think, help HTC greatly in evaluating your information.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Ah, gotcha, thought it already had 900, shows you how much I fly it!
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900 rounds of 20mm?
PORK IT PLS
can i have 200 rounds of 30mm in G10 pls?
you can remove the MG's for ammo space!
habicht
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lol
turns like a zeke
holds almost a thousand rounds of 20mm
out dives p51s...
it's..........
Super George!!
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Wow.
Your translation program did an increadable job....
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Karnak,thx.
My friend has already sent the information to HTC.
I hope that HTC has already recognized the information.
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Oh man do I hope your right.
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It's copy of official IJN manual for N1K2J.
[Top Secret! Your eyes only :-)]
------armament of N1K2J pages from manual. http://tainankuu.ss-s.nu/aceshigh/DL/index.jpg (http://tainankuu.ss-s.nu/aceshigh/DL/index.jpg)
------detail of rayout guns&bullets from index.jpg. http://tainankuu.ss-s.nu/aceshigh/DL/FileA.jpg (http://tainankuu.ss-s.nu/aceshigh/DL/FileA.jpg)
------detail of note for how many bullets(normal & max ammo). http://tainankuu.ss-s.nu/aceshigh/DL/FileB.jpg (http://tainankuu.ss-s.nu/aceshigh/DL/FileB.jpg)
I wish this problem will be Corrected.
[This message has been edited by terrazi (edited 09-22-2000).]
[This message has been edited by terrazi (edited 09-22-2000).]
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This looks like it would come out as a gun loadout option for the N1K2:
4 20mm with 200 rounds per gun
or:
4 20mm cannon with 200 rounds for each inboard cannon and 250 rounds for each outboard cannon.
Sisu
-Karnak
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I looked at the pages...one small question...
are those Type 99 1 cannons or Type 99 2 cannons?
The two are different as night and day.
Type 99 1's are based on the MG FF, and the Type 99 2's are a much more powerful version (different casing and all Between the ShVak's and Hispanos, Ho-5's being the real monsters)
So, maybe that's why it holds 900 rounds of 20mm?
- Jig
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N1K2J has 4 TYPE99mark2-4(or mark2-5).(and A6M5b has 2 same guns.)
>Type 99 1's are based on the MG FF,
MGFF & TYPE99mark1 are based Oerlikon F(made in Swiss)
TYPE99mark2 is based Oerlikon FFL(Swiss).
TYPE99mark1
fire cycle:550bullets/min
bullets speed:600m/s
bullets---20x72RB/142g
TYPE99mark2-4(or mark2-5)
fire cycle:480bullets/min(or 750bullts/min)
bullets speed:750m/s
bullets---20x101RB/142g
ex..
Hispano-Suiza MkII
fire cycle:650bullets/min
bullets speed:878m/s
bullets---20x110/130g
MG151/20(115g)
fire cycle:740bullets/min
bullets speed:710m/s
bullets---20x82/115g
[This message has been edited by terrazi (edited 09-22-2000).]
[This message has been edited by terrazi (edited 09-22-2000).]
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hmmmmmmmmm MG at this Fire Rate ??
190 dont have it that sure , the synchronization ?
the 109 ?? also not i see only other planes having lasers
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I find now good database of gun.
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/fgun.html (http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/fgun.html)
please check it.
and....This saids
" Type 99 model 2 cannon, which in its final version fired a bigger shell than the Hispano at a higher rate of fire, and weighed less. This was a vast improvement, but it came too late to save the IJN. The last IJN fighters of the war, such as the N1K2-J Shiden-KAI, had four Type 99 model 2 cannon. "
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Well...then, Pyro read this yet? =]
-Mitsu
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I'm with mitsu on this one and I quote
'Well...then, Pyro read this yet? =] (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Realy love the N1K2 George !
Bee
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I wonder if typhoon can hold more ammo too? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Citabria,
I've never seen anything list more than 140 rounds per gun on the Tiffie.
<punt>
Sisu
-Karnak
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HiTech, Pyro?
Any comment on this?
Thanks. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sisu
-Karnak
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Yeh give the N1K more ammo.
God knows the sprayers need it.
<G, D, R> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
<Goes off in his 620 round A5> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
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Originally posted by StSanta:
<Goes off in his 620 round A5> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
So, you mount MG-FFs?
DWEEB!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta,
If it carried more ammo in reality, then I want it.
If it carried less ammo in reality, then I want it.
See how it works?
Its not a matter of what if better for me, I want each aircraft to be as accurate as possible (yes, this includes all of the field mods for the German aircraft).
Sisu
-Karnak
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karnak: I agree completely.
Think I made it clear in my posts, but now I state it explicitly.
Was just trying to be facetious (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
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HiTech, Pyro? Please a little comment.
<punt>
Thanks
Sisu
-Karnak
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It's pending. I just need to make a good calculation on it to feel right about it. There's conflicting information out there on this and I dismissed the higher figure due to a rough calculation on the physical dimensions of the ammunition bins.
As a footnote, the 99 model 2 did not fire a bigger shell than the model 1. They both used the same projectiles and fuzes, but the model 2 used a bigger cartridge case.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Thanks Pyro.
Sisu
-Karnak
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>used a bigger cartridge case.
yes...but big to #length#.
Bullet for MK2 is #longer# than MK1 29.5mm.
Belt length is no change.
so N1K2J can has 900 bulltes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sorry My poor English.
[This message has been edited by terrazi (edited 09-29-2000).]
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We have several kinds of descriptions concerning the amount of ammunition of N1K2. The source is a manual of N1K2 by Japanese Naval Air Squadron during the war. N1K2 is written that 900 of 20mm bullets were installed in those descriptions one of which has been introduced by Terrazi. It should be clear evidence , so I wonder why Pyro is hesitating at the correction.
I want you to show grounds why you leave N1K2.
[This message has been edited by Hanzo- (edited 09-30-2000).]
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speaking of cannons,,,,, how about making the early model p51 , the one that had 4x20mm cannons but the cra**y gringo engine.
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That wasn't a p51. That was an RAF plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) the Mustang Mk1A .
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The width of one cartridge of Type99mk2 is almost 28.25mm.
(It contains a belt link.)
The width of ammo bin of primary gun is 565mm.
19 or 20 cartridges can be stored in the width 565mm.
So,200 cartridges can be stored if they are piled up 10 or 11 times.
The width of ammo bin of secondary gun is 960mm.
33 or 34 cartridges can be stored in the width 960mm.
So,250 cartridges can be stored if they are piled up 7 or 8 times.
These calculations correspond to the chart of the official manual.
Pyro, how do you think of these?