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Title: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Jonah on February 22, 2010, 11:58:51 AM
I'm a fan of the the ar234 and ive accepted alot of the limitations with it and the game. For example, you cant rearm a formation of ar234's and attacking GV's doesnt do anything but hurt ur bomber score because ur supposed to kill objects in bomber mode. However, the fact that this plane can only be scored as bomber is lame because it is a great tank/hangar killer. Recently they made the TBM-3 attack score option available and I think they should do the same for this plane. I personally dont bomb GV's, I use the Hurri IID, B25, or IL2 guns, but this would still be nice option to have for us score conscious tards. Maybe while I'm at it I should suggest making other planes have an attack option like the C205, TA-152(for extended fighter escorts), yak 9u etc.
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Lusche on February 22, 2010, 12:11:08 PM
Maybe while I'm at it I should suggest making other planes have an attack option like the C205, TA-152(for extended fighter escorts)

Where is the logic in having an attack option for extended fighter escorts?


All mode inconsistencies for fighters were recently removed. Now it's very simple: A fighter that doesn't carry ords does not have an attack option.


And regarding the Arado: Having a "bomber" option only does fit very well with the way the plane was used in WWII. Just as the Lancaster does not have a "attack" option, despite being used a lot in AH to carpet bomb vehicles.
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: caldera on February 22, 2010, 12:20:03 PM
What about the B-26?  Wasn't it used for low level attacks (and got slaughtered) before being kept to mid altitude bomb runs?
If true, then it should have an attack option. 
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Plazus on February 22, 2010, 12:22:41 PM
Double post???  :huh
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Jonah on February 22, 2010, 12:58:36 PM
if u want to ge technical yeah i used the words "fighter escorts" and second, this isnt supposed to relate to real life at all. Since its a video game and all, i figure in the context of the way things are scored in this game, its only logical to make it the way i suggested. You can fly for an hour and maybe pik up one kill on long flights, which is why i suggested allowing some fighters the attack option. Fact is fighter score is based alot on kills per time and th emore time ur not killling, the worse your doing. In attack mode it doesnt matter how long u take. Thats great and all what the 234 did in real life, but im sure there are alot of situations where people dont use the planes the way they were intended to be used in real life. You even mentioned carpet bombing lancasters. In the context of the way people play the game it makes sense to let it be scored as attack.
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Lusche on February 22, 2010, 01:21:45 PM
In attack mode it doesnt matter how long u take.

Wrong.
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Jonah on February 22, 2010, 01:52:07 PM
my attack score stays under 20 and i fly around at about 2 kills an hour. if time does have a factor, its very minimal. so i guess i am wrong.
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: SlapShot on February 22, 2010, 01:55:30 PM
but this would still be nice option to have for us score conscious tards.

Therein lies the problem ... and most likely the reason why it will never be changed.
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Jonah on February 22, 2010, 01:59:56 PM
btw its just suggestions snailman, calm down. ur probably right slapshot  :salute
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Yossarian on February 22, 2010, 02:07:03 PM
btw its just suggestions snailman, calm down. ur probably right slapshot  :salute

Just a tip, Lusche is not someone you should be insulting at all.  Without even looking at the logic behind your post, I can guarantee that he knows about the game and how it works far far better than you, me or almost anyone else.  Also, he seemed perfectly calm to me.

As for your idea, I disagree.  Contrary to what you say ("this isnt supposed to relate to real life at all"), it is supposed to relate to real life.  That's why we don't have F-16s in here in a WWII context.  Additionally, I fail to see why a high-altitude plane which only carries guns (the Ta-152, for example) should be allowed to score as an attack plane.
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Lusche on February 22, 2010, 03:08:05 PM
my attack score stays under 20 and i fly around at about 2 kills an hour.

Your kills/hour is about 6. A K/H of 2 would instantly kick you out of the top 20, all else being the same you wouldn't even get into the top 50.
Not that anyone else would ever notice that. ;)


Oh, and another more general comment: Every gameplay change that makes getting a "better" score easier for you, will do the same for everyone else too.
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Spikes on February 22, 2010, 04:16:24 PM
Myself being probably the pilot that flies the 234 in dogfighter mode the most...I'd love attack role so it may count my air to air facials I give out. :P

It's also a great GV killer, though I barely ever use speed to my advantage.

I am probably the only one who will say +1 to this...after all, wasn't the 234 used in attack roles killing allied GVs?
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Jonah on February 22, 2010, 04:35:07 PM
i dont recall insulting him or saying i knew more than him. if this is how people are on these forums i just wont post or reply anymore. nice to hear from everyone anyways. see u in the main arena, ima delete my forum account <S>
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Lusche on February 22, 2010, 04:39:40 PM
if this is how people are on these forums i just wont post or reply anymore. nice to hear from everyone anyways. see u in the main arena, ima delete my forum account <S>

As far as i can see it, you haven't been attacked or insulted in this thread. Simply disagreeing is enough to drive you away.... ???  :huh
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Masherbrum on February 22, 2010, 04:52:43 PM
I'm a fan of the the ar234 and ive accepted alot of the limitations with it and the game. For example, you cant rearm a formation of ar234's and attacking GV's doesnt do anything but hurt ur bomber score because ur supposed to kill objects in bomber mode. However, the fact that this plane can only be scored as bomber is lame because it is a great tank/hangar killer. Recently they made the TBM-3 attack score option available and I think they should do the same for this plane. I personally dont bomb GV's, I use the Hurri IID, B25, or IL2 guns, but this would still be nice option to have for us score conscious tards. Maybe while I'm at it I should suggest making other planes have an attack option like the C205, TA-152(for extended fighter escorts), yak 9u etc.

FBnutz, no. 
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: PewterC5 on February 22, 2010, 05:55:19 PM
While we are changing things... I'd like to be able to select formations for my p38 as well as score it as a bomber............ :bolt:
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: cobia38 on February 22, 2010, 06:17:12 PM
While we are changing things... I'd like to be able to select formations for my p38 as well as score it as a bomber............ :bolt:

  yeah and i want Fighter score for my A-20 too while ya at it  :bolt:
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Yossarian on February 22, 2010, 06:44:59 PM
Also, sorry if my tone was a bit aggressive earlier, however I remain opposed to this idea.
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Slash27 on February 22, 2010, 08:35:28 PM
i dont recall insulting him or saying i knew more than him. if this is how people are on these forums i just wont post or reply anymore. nice to hear from everyone anyways. see u in the main arena, ima delete my forum account <S>

Oh you ain't going nowhere pal!!!
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: SPKmes on February 22, 2010, 08:43:32 PM
As far as i can see it, you haven't been attacked or insulted in this thread. Simply disagreeing is enough to drive you away.... ???  :huh

It's your accent man...German is a harsh sounding lingo.....If you add a smile while you type it may be a little more calming
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: froger on February 23, 2010, 12:37:08 AM
IMO and not so humble,
  HTC should perk the buffs or let us trade them in for  FTR/GV perks cause the 3 bomb rocket assist dead sled hanger queen is time i have spent in the game i will never get back. sure its fun to fly 1 of um around and try to get a few saps to chace you so you can randomly spray um with some unguided cannon but then what, i just think its the worse use of perks in the game.

I'M just sayin....

froger
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: froger on February 23, 2010, 12:39:35 AM
i dont recall insulting him or saying i knew more than him. if this is how people are on these forums i just wont post or reply anymore. nice to hear from everyone anyways. see u in the main arena, ima delete my forum account <S>


Bye Bye  :aok
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Lusche on February 23, 2010, 03:56:39 AM
It's your accent man...German is a harsh sounding lingo.....If you add a smile while you type it may be a little more calming

We Germans do not smile. We merely show our fangs to intimidate.

:D  (You may now tremble with fear)
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: waystin2 on February 23, 2010, 09:08:40 AM
Umm, no on this one.  It's a bomber, not an attack aircraft or a fighter it's a bomber
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Soulyss on February 23, 2010, 10:50:09 AM
We Germans do not smile. We merely show our fangs to intimidate.

:D  (You may now tremble with fear)

 :lol
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Crash Orange on February 23, 2010, 07:39:18 PM
If you're going to do anything with the 234, take out the tail gun. Sure, it's historical, but it's almost never used for its intended purpose - defense - and the way it is used is terrible for game play. There's little I find more irritating than 234 pilots who fly around deliberately trying to get people on their six so they can kill them. IMHO that's absurd, dweebish, and unrealistic above and beyond anything else anyone does in this game.

(For that matter, I'd be happy to see all jets and the 163 taken out of the game, but I realize a lot of, maybe most, players would disagree. But if I wanted to fly in or against jets I'd be playing some other game based on modern fighters.)
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Spikes on February 23, 2010, 08:05:37 PM
If you're going to do anything with the 234, take out the tail gun. Sure, it's historical, but it's almost never used for its intended purpose - defense - and the way it is used is terrible for game play. There's little I find more irritating than 234 pilots who fly around deliberately trying to get people on their six so they can kill them. IMHO that's absurd, dweebish, and unrealistic above and beyond anything else anyone does in this game.

(For that matter, I'd be happy to see all jets and the 163 taken out of the game, but I realize a lot of, maybe most, players would disagree. But if I wanted to fly in or against jets I'd be playing some other game based on modern fighters.)
LMAO.

And for the record I think hoarding bases with NOE lancs and shutting down dogfights is absurd, and dweebish.
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Crash Orange on February 24, 2010, 02:00:41 AM
And for the record I think hoarding bases with NOE lancs and shutting down dogfights is absurd, and dweebish.

Three people are a horde? I'll take that as a compliment.
Title: Re: Ar234 Should Have "Attack" Score Option
Post by: Impakt on February 24, 2010, 05:52:20 AM
 :salute

Couldn't delete my none too important remarks.