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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: stealth on February 23, 2010, 03:09:29 AM
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This spitfire the Spitfire F.Mk 22 is dangerous I know we have lots of spitfires but this one just about tops it.
Powerplant,One 2,050-hp Rolls Royce Griffon 65 liquid-cooled,12 cylinder in-line piston engine with two-stage supercharging,driving a five-bladed Rotol propeller.
Length 32 ft 11 in,Wingspan 36 ft 11 in.
Max weight 10,086lb
Performance
Max speed at 25,000 ft 449mph,Service ceiling 45,500ft
Armament
Four 20-mm Hispano Mk5 cannon plus one 500-lb bomb under the fuselage and two 500-lb bombs underwing,or up to four 300-lb rocket projectiles underwing.(6 rockets)
This is a deadly aircraft of course this Spitfire F.Mk 22 spitfire.
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People are allready crying rivers of tears about our 1943 Spitfire XVI, guess how much they will cry about a 1945 Spitfire XXII ;)
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Nice try... :D
Did you happen to research the service dates on that bad boy? Too late to make any difference... :neener:
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did it see combat? did it serve in squadron strength during WWII? ...
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did it see combat? did it serve in squadron strength during WWII? ...
Nope and 1 squadron.
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did it see combat? did it serve in squadron strength during WWII? ...
No, but the Spitfire F.21 did, it sank a German mini-sub.
Still irrelevant.
Also, OP, the Spitfire Mk XIV we have in AH is powered by that same Griffon engine.
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Thumbs down for this wish.
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Also, OP, the Spitfire Mk XIV we have in AH is powered by that same Griffon engine.
so its essentially a wish for a 4 cannon spit then?
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And that is just what we need......... Something even more dangerous for The Few to fly around it........ :uhoh
so its essentially a wish for a 4 cannon spit then?
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not bothered about 4 x 20 mm but i would like the last spitfire to see action to complete the series for late war. I mean I can't catch ponies and 190's ya know, it is a real drag and gets me down.
I would like umpteen boost and uber octane fuel also. This can be perked! :banana:
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not bothered about 4 x 20 mm but i would like the last spitfire to see action to complete the series for late war. I mean I can't catch ponies and 190's ya know, it is a real drag and gets me down.
I would like umpteen boost and uber octane fuel also. This can be perked! :banana:
Sure Bruv this is the Spit you want:
Between March 1945 and February 1946 a batch of F Mk 22 Spitfires were delivered to the RAF. The F.22 saw the return, again, of the "tear drop" canopy, but it was virtually the same aircraft as the F Mk 21. The new Mk 22 had severe vibration problems and a much modified tail fin was introduced. Many Mk 22 Spitfires were used by the Auxiliary Air Force but were phased out and replaced by the new Vampire and Meteor jet fighters.
Total production approx 282...no easily found record of combat.
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I believe the MK XVIII was the latest model that was used to any real extent, but I'm not totally sure on that, but I would have to give the 22 a thumbs down, it came into action,barely, right before the war was over.
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Isn't the Spit XIV a griffon spit?
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I believe the MK XVIII was the latest model that was used to any real extent, but I'm not totally sure on that, but I would have to give the 22 a thumbs down, it came into action,barely, right before the war was over.
The F.22 saw no action. The last mark of Spitfire to see any action in WWII was the F.21, and it saw extremely little.
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Bahh, if your going to ask for a griff spit get it right.
(http://www.amazingheritage.com/models/images/supermarine_spitfire_mkXII.jpg)
Mk XII FTW.
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I'd love to see more Spitfires, but I think the Spit 16 and anything afterwards should be perked.
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I'd love to see more Spitfires, but I think the Spit 16 and anything afterwards should be perked.
In that case I think they should add the Spitfire LF.Mk IXe.
:P
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I'd love to see more Spitfires, but I think the Spit 16 and anything afterwards should be perked.
Why would there need to be more Spitfires? Sounds like you guys would be at home playing a game like Spitfires High so you could Spitfire yourselves silly.
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Why would there need to be more Spitfires? Sounds like you guys would be at home playing a game like Spitfires High so you could Spitfire yourselves silly.
The same reason there should be more 109s/190/mossies/A6Ms/ect...ect...ect.
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In that case I think they should add the Spitfire LF.Mk IXe.
:P
Yep, perk the 16 and give us the LFIXe. A perfect solution :)
Oh, and throw in the first Griffon Spit, the XII
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so its essentially a wish for a 4 cannon spit then?
Basically
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Yep, perk the 16 and give us the LFIXe. A perfect solution :)
Oh, and throw in the first Griffon Spit, the XII
what he said.
and clipped options!
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Why would there need to be more Spitfires? Sounds like you guys would be at home playing a game like Spitfires High so you could Spitfire yourselves silly.
:rofl
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No, but the Spitfire F.21 did, it sank a German mini-sub.
Still irrelevant.
Also, OP, the Spitfire Mk XIV we have in AH is powered by that same Griffon engine.
I think i would like to be a mini sub dweeb :banana:
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393mph at sea level the spit XII would be ideal in the LA MA's. They were used in S.England to run down low level hit and run FW. It's performance tapered off much above 12k. Wasnt the LFIXe just a Merlin 66 spit9 with uncliped wings? Sort of like taking our spit16's 266 motor and putting it in our spit9 along with an upgraded wing.
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393mph at sea level the spit XII would be ideal in the LA MA's. They were used in S.England to run down low level hit and run FW. It's performance tapered off much above 12k. Wasnt the LFIXe just a Merlin 66 spit9 with uncliped wings? Sort of like taking our spit16's 266 motor and putting it in our spit9 along with an upgraded wing.
now we're talking
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393mph at sea level the spit XII would be ideal in the LA MA's. They were used in S.England to run down low level hit and run FW. It's performance tapered off much above 12k. Wasnt the LFIXe just a Merlin 66 spit9 with uncliped wings? Sort of like taking our spit16's 266 motor and putting it in our spit9 along with an upgraded wing.
Close but i think you'll find both are mid war birds. I believe the LFIXs were also clipped.
While we are at it. I'd like a Vc, clipped and a Mk III seafire.
Now that's spit dweeb heaven. :aok
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Seriously think we need to limit ourselves to aircraft produced between 1930 and 1950 until the Korea server goes up. Otherwise people will just be confused about what planes they should allow themselves to fly. At some point you just have to use periods.
Infidelz.
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what he said.
and clipped options!
We already have clipped options:
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/AH2%20screenshots/6.jpg)
Clipped wing option
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/AH2%20screenshots/8spit.jpg)
Clipped stabilizer option.
You Spit guys are just greedy. (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/smilies/evilgrin0007.gif)
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393mph at sea level the spit XII would be ideal in the LA MA's. They were used in S.England to run down low level hit and run FW. It's performance tapered off much above 12k. Wasnt the LFIXe just a Merlin 66 spit9 with uncliped wings? Sort of like taking our spit16's 266 motor and putting it in our spit9 along with an upgraded wing.
You missed the joke Bustr. The Spit LFIXe and the Spit LFXVIe are identical. Only the manufacturer of the engine is different as the IX had the Rolls Merlin 66 while the XVI had the Packard Merlin 266. Same performance. Switch the engines in an IX and XVIe and one becomes the other. Same airframe, same performance. You could clip or have standard wings on both. The E wing was the same on both as they came off the same production lines. It was about a 15 minute effort to switch wing tips.
As for the XII, you don't want to get me started :)
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You missed the joke Bustr. The Spit LFIXe and the Spit LFXVIe are identical. Only the manufacturer of the engine is different as the IX had the Rolls Merlin 66 while the XVI had the Packard Merlin 266. Same performance. Switch the engines in an IX and XVIe and one becomes the other. Same airframe, same performance. You could clip or have standard wings on both. The E wing was the same on both as they came off the same production lines. It was about a 15 minute effort to switch wing tips.
As for the XII, you don't want to get me started :)
That, and the critical altitudes of our Spitfire Mk XVI in AH indicates it actually has a Merlin 66 instead of a Merlin 266 and so it is, in fact, actually a Spitfire LF.Mk IXe already.
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As for the XII, you don't want to get me started :)
Please continue. :D
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That, and the critical altitudes of our Spitfire Mk XVI in AH indicates it actually has a Merlin 66 instead of a Merlin 266 and so it is, in fact, actually a Spitfire LF.Mk IXe already.
Yup the FTH of the XVI is 1000ft to low, but it is spot on for an LF.IXe .
[edit] Bring back our old 55M Spit Vc and clip it. Make it a true CCC Spit Vc. (Good Seafire LIII stand in also))
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You missed the joke Bustr. The Spit LFIXe and the Spit LFXVIe are identical. Only the manufacturer of the engine is different as the IX had the Rolls Merlin 66 while the XVI had the Packard Merlin 266. Same performance. Switch the engines in an IX and XVIe and one becomes the other. Same airframe, same performance. You could clip or have standard wings on both. The E wing was the same on both as they came off the same production lines. It was about a 15 minute effort to switch wing tips.
As for the XII, you don't want to get me started :)
Since I'm in this deep Guppy. Please start on the XII......... :devil
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Unperk the CHog :bolt:
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Well really we just need a good spitfire with lots of cannon rounds that's fast.
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Well really we just need a good spitfire with lots of cannon rounds that's fast.
I think the Mk VIII, Mk XIV and Mk XVI in AH have you pretty well covered.
Also, you might want to work on your ability to present a logical and compelling argument. Just stating that "we need" something without supplying the evidence to support that claim is entirely useless.
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I think the Mk VIII, Mk XIV and Mk XVI in AH have you pretty well covered.
Also, you might want to work on your ability to present a logical and compelling argument. Just stating that "we need" something without supplying the evidence to support that claim is entirely useless.
There he goes, making sense again. Stop it Karnak!
It's why I don't worry about the Spit XII coming to AH in a hurry as the XVI has similar performance. Would I like the XII and a full span wing LFIXe? Sure. Do we need em? Not before lots of other stuff gets here first.
Not sure we need anything considering the lineup of planes we have already, but there are certainly cartoon airplanes that would fill more important roles in the game then another Spit...and I love Spits :)
Ahh but Spit XII's sure are pretty :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/SpitXIIPair.jpg)
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The Spitfires in the game are OK just none of them can really kill bombers,in small amounts yes in large though not so much plus.When will we get a new Spitfire there all good just need some new British fighter,when you think about it theres not allot.
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Guppy, please just for us simple guys.
Tell us the story about the SPIT XII.....Puleeessseee Unky Guppy......... :pray
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The Spitfires in the game are OK just none of them can really kill bombers,in small amounts yes in large though not so much plus.When will we get a new Spitfire there all good just need some new British fighter,when you think about it theres not allot.
You need to stop drinking so heavily...clouding up your brain.
3 Hurricanes
Seafire MkII
6 Spitfires
Tempest
Typhoon
That's not a lot? The only thing really missing is the fighter version of the Mosquito F Mk II...and knocking down bombers in a Spit is fairly easy if you use the same tactics as you would the 109.
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You need to stop drinking so heavily...clouding up your brain.
3 Hurricanes
Seafire MkII
6 Spitfires
Tempest
Typhoon
That's not a lot? The only thing really missing is the fighter version of the Mosquito F Mk II...and knocking down bombers in a Spit is fairly easy if you use the same tactics as you would the 109.
gyrene, the Mosquito F.Mk II is, in all ways, inferior to the Mosquito FB.Mk VI as a fighter.
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Mossie.......... Best bomber killer in the game!
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gyrene, the Mosquito F.Mk II is, in all ways, inferior to the Mosquito FB.Mk VI as a fighter.
Ok then there is no issue as to what good bomber killer the Brits have in AH...but I always thought the F.Mk II had better maneuverability and climb rate.
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Ours is just fine actually..... But most people don't realize that there is a specific burn order for the fuel tanks to use.............
Ok then there is no issue as to what good bomber killer the Brits have in AH...but I always thought the F.Mk II had better maneuverability and climb rate.
The climb chart for a Mossie is at 22,221 pounds. I up 75% fuel with 2000lbs of ord and it is just about there. So upping a Mossie for buff hunting is going to climb much better than the chart suggests..
And it turns quite well under 18,000lbs.
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Two reasons for Spit XII -
a) First production Griffon engined Spit. (important milestone)
b) Because Dan wants it. :-)
That plus an Clipped, Clapped, and Cropped LF.Vc with a 55M completes the major marks.
F.21 would be nice as a perked Spit, but not essential.
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Did some reading last night on the Spit XII. Looks like it would be a more irritating Spit16 for the "I Hate The Spit16" crowd.
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http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spitfire-XII.html
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Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment
Boscombe Down
4 August 1943
Spitfire F Mk. XII D.P.845
(Griffon VI)
Climb and level speed performance
and position error correction with a Griffon VI engine
Summary
Climb Performance
Max. rate of climb in M.S. supercharger gear 4,960 ft/min.@ 1,900 ft.
Max. rate of climb in F.S. supercharger gear 4,300 ft/min.@ 10,200 ft.
Level Speed Performance
In M.S. supercharger gear 375 m.p.h. at 4,600 ft.
In F.S. supercharger gear 389 m.p.h. at 12,800 ft.
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I think that EVERY Spit model that saw combat in WW2 should be IN THIS GAME.
Just so I have an excuse to systematically PWN you all :devil
IMA TEZTING ZE UB3R SPISFIRE FOR T3H LOLZ :rofl
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In short
:aok + 99999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999 ,99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
face it, 9 recurring till I'm :old:
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In short
:aok + 99999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999 ,99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
face it, 9 recurring till I'm :old:
OK then :bolt:
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Did some reading last night on the Spit XII. Looks like it would be a more irritating Spit16 for the "I Hate The Spit16" crowd.
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http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spitfire-XII.html
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Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment
Boscombe Down
4 August 1943
Spitfire F Mk. XII D.P.845
(Griffon VI)
Climb and level speed performance
and position error correction with a Griffon VI engine
Summary
Climb Performance
Max. rate of climb in M.S. supercharger gear 4,960 ft/min.@ 1,900 ft.
Max. rate of climb in F.S. supercharger gear 4,300 ft/min.@ 10,200 ft.
Level Speed Performance
In M.S. supercharger gear 375 m.p.h. at 4,600 ft.
In F.S. supercharger gear 389 m.p.h. at 12,800 ft.
DP845 was the prototype for the Spit XII. The testing results you show there are for the Griffon VI which actually was used in the Seafire XV which was the RN version of the XII. The XII had the Griffon III and IV.
The XII was put into limited production to combat the hit and run 190s that were coming in at low level to bomb towns along the English coast. In essence it was a Spitfire V airframe that had a single stage Griffon III/IV as it's engine. They clipped the wings as it was purely a low level interceptor. 41 Squadron got the first XIIs in February 43 and 91 Squadron followed shortly afterwards. They essentially put an end to the low level 190 raids on May 25, 1943 when 91 intercepted a raid and shot down 5 190s near Hastings.
The XIIs then operated as a Wing from Tangmere from mid summer 43 until early 44. They were the highest scoring Spitfire Wing in the Fall of 43 and had their best day on October 20, 1943 when they shot down 9 for no loss. They were later credited with 10th kill that a pilot hadn't claimed as he hadn't shot it, but flown the badun into the ground. In this instance it wasn't over claiming as postwar checks showed their claims were accurate.
91 gave up their XIIs for XIVs in early 44. 41 Squadron flew the XII until September 44 when they transitioned to the XIV. They flew anti-Diver patrols in the summer of 44 against the V-1s and were good at it. They scored their last kills on September 3, 1944 when Terry Spencer in MB822 EB-B and Pat Coleman in MB858 EB-D shot down two 190s. Spencer's claim turned out to be high scoring LW Ace "Bully" Lang, who was killed.
Where the XVI was used in late 44-45 as a ground attack bird and didn't mix it up with the 109s and 190s, the XII was there in the middle of things in 1943 and were very effective against the 190s and 109s that tried to fight.
The normal tactics for the XII pilots was to troll below the German formations hoping to suck them down. They would then turn into them and take them on. The LW birds for a time stopped coming down :)
I spent a lot of time corresponding with Spit drivers from both 91 and 41 in the 1980's and met a lot of them. They were a great bunch of guys. Sadly most are gone now.
The Spit XII drivers of 41 squadron in 1985 at RAF Coltishall for a reunion. The young CorkyJr is the only non-Spit pilot in the photo.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Coltishall-1.jpg)
DP845 as the first Griffon Spitfire. At this time the designation was Spitfire IV. No weapons fitted, regular tail.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DP845x2.jpg)
DP845 in May 42 with a mockup for a 6 cannon installation.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DP845x3.jpg)
As the prototype Spitfire XII now with 2 20mm and 4 303s and the pointed rudder.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DP845x4.jpg)
Ain't she pretty! The last Spitfire XII built MB882 in October 43.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/MB882x2.jpg)
Later coded EB-B with 41 Squadron April 44.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Spit12B.jpg)
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The 6 cannon never worked right? I heard, and read, stuff about the pull-over mechanism for the center gun's feed would always get stuck and so it was scraped...........
You would seem to know better than I. You know anything about that?
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Was there a spitfire like the spit1 that didn't have its engine cut out that was more maneuverable.
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The 6 cannon never worked right? I heard, and read, stuff about the pull-over mechanism for the center gun's feed would always get stuck and so it was scraped...........
You would seem to know better than I. You know anything about that?
It was only a wooden mock up. A Spit XII test pilot I knew dropped into Tangmere one day with that set up and really shook up the Spit V drivers with that look however :)
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Was there a spitfire like the spit1 that didn't have its engine cut out that was more maneuverable.
The early Spits did not have a negative G carb so when they pushed the nose over, the engine cut out. This was true into the Spitfire V series. It was fixed by adding a simple metal washer the size of a small coin into the carb that stopped the flow of fuel up when the nose pushed over.
The early Spit I and II also had fabric covered ailerons that were less effective. With the Spit V they had metal ailerons which made for a better roll rate. Some Spitfire I and II were retrofitted with metal ailerons, but for the most part they were not with the frontline squadrons by that point, but relegated to training units.
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The literature I've read was slightly speculative............. So.......... It was strictly a non-functioning mockup?
It was only a wooden mock up. A Spit XII test pilot I knew dropped into Tangmere one day with that set up and really shook up the Spit V drivers with that look however :)
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The early Spits did not have a negative G carb so when they pushed the nose over, the engine cut out. This was true into the Spitfire V series. It was fixed by adding a simple metal washer the size of a small coin into the carb that stopped the flow of fuel up when the nose pushed over.
The early Spit I and II also had fabric covered ailerons that were less effective. With the Spit V they had metal ailerons which made for a better roll rate. Some Spitfire I and II were retrofitted with metal ailerons, but for the most part they were not with the frontline squadrons by that point, but relegated to training units.
O :bolt:
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WTG Post Count!
O :bolt:
(LLogann is close to 2000 and felt the need to point out this silly boy's lack of reason) :rock
SPAMMER? yup!
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The literature I've read was slightly speculative............. So.......... It was strictly a non-functioning mockup?
Yep. Had mock ups of slotted flaps on it too.
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WTG Post Count!
(LLogann is close to 2000 and felt the need to point out this silly boy's lack of reason) :rock
SPAMMER? yup!
OK,Anyway is there any good spitfire that had these things range,maneuverability,firepower,climbrate,ammo and speed
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stealth, you have to realize............ The Spit 1 aside (Carb issue), a good stick can out fly anybody in a spit. Forget about all the silly chit........ Me and some .303's of a Spit V will kill you every time in your K4/D9/p51/262/Jug/Tempy. There is no discussion, it's pure truth. If I knew who you were in-game, and thought you an adversary, I might be afraid of you in a Hurri C, but that's about it. You ask questions that are almost insulting to most of this community.
OK,Anyway is there any good spitfire that had these things range,maneuverability,firepower,climbrate,ammo and speed
Now this sounds like something for the FA (Future Arena) Or the Sarcasm Arena..... I'm still thinking about it.
Yep. Had mock ups of slotted flaps on it too.
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OK,Anyway is there any good spitfire that had these things range,maneuverability,firepower,climbrate,ammo and speed
Spitfire Mk VIII, which we have in AH.
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Spitfire Mk VIII, which we have in AH.
True.
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stealth, you have to realize............ The Spit 1 aside (Carb issue), a good stick can out fly anybody in a spit. Forget about all the silly chit........ Me and some .303's of a Spit V will kill you every time in your K4/D9/p51/262/Jug/Tempy. There is no discussion, it's pure truth. If I knew who you were in-game, and thought you an adversary, I might be afraid of you in a Hurri C, but that's about it. You ask questions that are almost insulting to most of this community.
Now this sounds like something for the FA (Future Arena) Or the Sarcasm Arena..... I'm still thinking about it.
Back to subject,Spit1 is a good plane still not the best but still an OK kinda of plane.
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If you played the game......... I'd kill you flying it. FYI! :aok
Back to subject,Spit1 is a good plane still not the best but still an OK kinda of plane.
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If you played the game......... I'd kill you flying it. FYI! :aok
lol
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I'll be back, in game, March 2nd 23:00:00 GMT (That's 7pm on the east coast of the United States)
Just PM me if you really feel like laughing out loud!
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I'll be back, in game, March 2nd 23:00:00 GMT (That's 7pm on the east coast of the United States)
Just PM me if you really feel like laughing out loud!
Lol just because I'm 12 doesn't mean I'm a bad pilot.I like the way your going though. :salute
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Ah chit.............. Forgot you were a kid. PM me in a few years and we'll chat about it. Now go study! :salute
Lol just because I'm 12 doesn't mean I'm a bad pilot.I like the way your going though. :salute
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Moar Spitfires! :aok
Spitfire Mk. Vc clipped.
Spitfire Mk. XVIe clipped, bubble canopy and 25lbs of boost.
21. :noid
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[hijack] More Mossie's!!!!!!!! [/hijack]
Moar Spitfires! :aok
Spitfire Mk. Vc clipped.
Spitfire Mk. XVIe clipped, bubble canopy and 25lbs of boost.
21. :noid
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(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DP845x3.jpg)
uh-oh now you've done it - cue requests for teh L33t 6-cannon spitfirez!11!! :uhoh
edit: official designation SPITFIRE F MK ELEVENTY-ONE!
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Moar Spitfires! :aok
Spitfire Mk. Vc clipped.
Spitfire Mk. XVIe clipped, bubble canopy and 25lbs of boost.
21. :noid
*BONKS kazza on da head.
Ahhhemmm you forgot the Mk XII..... again!!!!! :furious
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If you played the game......... I'd kill you flying it. FYI! :aok
That is very true...anyone flying the SpitI is an easy kill. :D
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(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DP845x3.jpg)
uh-oh now you've done it - cue requests for teh L33t 6-cannon spitfirez!11!! :uhoh
edit: official designation SPITFIRE F MK ELEVENTY-ONE!
No that's a spitfire Mk 1337
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your capslock not working? ;)
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your capslock not working? ;)
:lol :aok
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No that's a Spitfire Mk MCCCXXXVII
Fixed :D
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Wow there sure is allot of spitfires. :aok