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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Yossarian on February 25, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
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And give the B-25H AP shells :aok
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LOLWUT?
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Won't say no to AP however it will always be a hangar queen to some extent since the addition of Wirbels.
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Won't say no to AP however it will always be a hangar queen to some extent since the addition of Wirbels.
I think it's even more so because of the more maneuverable, better armored, cuts-like-a-knife-through-butter 37mm Il-2 variant ;)
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Won't say no to AP however it will always be a hangar queen to some extent since the addition of Wirbels.
The B-25H is the only plane capable of taking any GV out with one hit from beyond effective return fire from the GV. The B-25H is certainly not a hanger queen in the MW arena where it's regularly used as a tank buster to great affect. With the AP rounds, it will just be that much more lethal at stand off ranges that no other plane is capable of against GVs in AH.
ack-ack
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+1 It would be nice to have the AP rounds for that cannon.
Even though 1 HE round can already take out almost every tank we have. I know for sure it will kill a panzer, M4, T34-85, M8, M3, and jeeps with one well placed hit in the rear.
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I was thinking more along the line of, "Give the B-25H's 3 ship formations!"... :rock
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The B-25H is the only plane capable of taking any GV out with one hit from beyond effective return fire from the GV. The B-25H is certainly not a hanger queen in the MW arena where it's regularly used as a tank buster to great affect. With the AP rounds, it will just be that much more lethal at stand off ranges that no other plane is capable of against GVs in AH.
ack-ack
Asks Lusche to post data of kill rates of B25H before & after Wirbel please. EDIT:--> Also if you could since you made mention of the IL2 Lusche in your above post some stats on that as well in regards to B25H usage. Thankyou.<--EDIT END. As far as your post above ^^^^ I agree with you except I don't think it is used as much as it once was from my personal experience.
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Asks Lusche to post data of kill rates of B25H before & after Wirbel please. As far as your post above ^^^^ I agree with you except I don't think it is used as much as it once was from my personal experience.
Though his charts are rather interesting and provide good information they only pertain to the LW arena since he does not factor in any of the war era arenas. While the B-25H might see limited use in the LW arena, the same cannot be said in the MW arena.
ack-ack
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Though his charts are rather interesting and provide good information they only pertain to the LW arena since he does not factor in any of the war era arenas. While the B-25H might see limited use in the LW arena, the same cannot be said in the MW arena.
ack-ack
Fair enough as I am not a usual in Mid war. :aok
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Just to show B25 use in MW, where it is not a hangar queen by any means:
Plane: Kills: Deaths: K/D:
B-25H 369 569 0.65
Il-2 382 367 1.04
Wirbelwind 1572 891 1.76
Wirbelwind is responsible for 89 of the B-25H deaths (5.662% of WW kills/15.614% of deaths of B-25). 84 for the IL-2 (5.344% of WW kills/22.8885% of deaths for IL-2). B-25 kills on Wirbel accounts for 7% of the total B-25H kills. Doesn't look like Wirbel has hindered it's use for MW much.
Top 4 killers (not including gunner) in MW are: Panzer (1997), WW (1572), Spitfire Mrk IX (1165), F6F-5 (1130). B-25 ranks at #20 in kills, Il-2 is #19 of 70. Il-2 doesn't quite dominate as the GV killing king in MW, and the B-25 isn't far down the list of overall killers.
Lw B-25H has 2662 kills (#45) compared to IL-2s 9101 (#13) (~97 planes in LW)...not the best numbers for the 25, but like many other planes in LW it's not used because most want "The best" (not saying everyone does, but it's generally the truth), as seen the IL-2 is used more in LW, likely due to hitting decently and being able to hold its own; where as the 25H hits hard but can't hold well against planes. I could call the A6m2 hangar queen and who would care, maybe 10 people, some planes just won't get much use in Lw.
As for the wish for AP rounds, if we can get them (if they meet inclusion needs)...I say let's get em sometime. HE works wonders (kills anything it can hit), but anything to add to the B-25H is a wish I'll like. :)
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Just to show B25 use in MW, where it is not a hangar queen by any means:
Plane: Kills: Deaths: K/D:
B-25H 369 569 0.65
Il-2 382 367 1.04
Wirbelwind 1572 891 1.76
Wirbelwind is responsible for 89 of the B-25H deaths (5.662% of WW kills/15.614% of deaths of B-25). 84 for the IL-2 (5.344% of WW kills/22.8885% of deaths for IL-2). B-25 kills on Wirbel accounts for 7% of the total B-25H kills. Doesn't look like Wirbel has hindered it's use for MW much.
Top 4 killers (not including gunner) in MW are: Panzer (1997), WW (1572), Spitfire Mrk IX (1165), F6F-5 (1130). B-25 ranks at #20 in kills, Il-2 is #19 of 70. Il-2 doesn't quite dominate as the GV killing king in MW, and the B-25 isn't far down the list of overall killers.
Lw B-25H has 2662 kills (#45) compared to IL-2s 9101 (#13) (~97 planes in LW)...not the best numbers for the 25, but like many other planes in LW it's not used because most want "The best" (not saying everyone does, but it's generally the truth), as seen the IL-2 is used more in LW, likely due to hitting decently and being able to hold its own; where as the 25H hits hard but can't hold well against planes. I could call the A6m2 hangar queen and who would care, maybe 10 people, some planes just won't get much use in Lw.
As for the wish for AP rounds, if we can get them (if they meet inclusion needs)...I say let's get em sometime. HE works wonders (kills anything it can hit), but anything to add to the B-25H is a wish I'll like. :)
Thank you for the stats personally I want rockets over AP.
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I know a few folk that would make you eat your words about the 25H...................
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I know a few folk that would make you eat your words about the 25H...................
Me?
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Maybe not this tour........... But I have a few films of you kickin tail in that big hunk of crap! :salute
Me?
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Yeah why not lets have a flying sherman with 14 .50cals that can aim in all directions +1
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B25H is certainly no hanger queen, but yes I do wish I had a choice of loadout for it.
Even if I had to drop total number of rounds available. I think it would be worth it for 5 AP rounds.
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I'm up for AP rounds +1
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Any chance we can get another 200 rounds of ammo for that cannon? My aim is so bad I'll need 200 just to kill a single tank.
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I think any ord loadout should be added to the 25...make it more useful. Rockets, AP rds, etc. It was voted #1 over the P39...I know it IS useful as it is but not many people take it up because it is such a big target. I personally love pluggin tanks with it.
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Maybe not this tour........... But I have a few films of you kickin tail in that big hunk of crap! :salute
It is a fun plane no doubt. :aok
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Won't say no to AP however it will always be a hangar queen to some extent since the addition of Wirbels.
Wasn't the Wirbel in the game before the 25??? :headscratch:
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I was high tailing it home with 10 kills in the B-25H earlier this week, ended up getting run down though. It turns out the enemy doesnt like when you vulch them from 3-4k out with the main gun. Poor Wirbles, I wasnt even getting within base ack range much less those puny 20mm's.
B-25H can kill three hangers in four passes over a V-Base, five if you count the acks. . . .
It can deack and pork a large field. . . .
It can kill a cruiser in one pass. . . .
Did I mention I love this plane, best shot do date was a M8 on the move at 3,000 yards!
Larry's A-20 at 1.5k was a close second, if not for the whining alone.
:rock
Strip (closet B-25 lover)
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Wasn't the Wirbel in the game before the 25??? :headscratch:
No.
B-25 appeared in tour 91, WW in tour 98
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I was high tailing it home with 10 kills in the B-25H earlier this week, ended up getting run down though. It turns out the enemy doesnt like when you vulch them from 3-4k out with the main gun. Poor Wirbles, I wasnt even getting within base ack range much less those puny 20mm's.
B-25H can kill three hangers in four passes over a V-Base, five if you count the acks. . . .
It can deack and pork a large field. . . .
It can kill a cruiser in one pass. . . .
Did I mention I love this plane, best shot do date was a M8 on the move at 3,000 yards!
Larry's A-20 at 1.5k was a close second, if not for the whining alone.
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Strip (closet B-25 lover)
think it was you and I talking about vulching guys out of base ack range with the 25. :aok
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Interesting...I'm going to have to try that soon :D
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No.
B-25 appeared in tour 91, WW in tour 98
Thanks for clearin that up for me.
I guess time "flys" when you're havin fun! :D
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Thank you for the stats personally I want rockets over AP.
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Those were jerry rigged field mods, especially the shot with the rockets in the nose. However, the B-25H (and I think the J also) were able to mount HVARs on the wing, not sure how many between 6 and 10 I think.
ack-ack
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Those were jerry rigged field mods, especially the shot with the rockets in the nose. However, the B-25H (and I think the J also) were able to mount HVARs on the wing, not sure how many between 6 and 10 I think.
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I think it was 6. IIRC they could also carry torpedoes, not sure if that was a one-off though.
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Those were jerry rigged field mods, especially the shot with the rockets in the nose. However, the B-25H (and I think the J also) were able to mount HVARs on the wing, not sure how many between 6 and 10 I think.
ack-ack
True & so were some of the 50 cal blister pods on the H model in the early days.
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Hangar queen?
Not even in LW, man. At least not for the Rooks, anyway..... :rock
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Yossarian
The only hangar queens in the Late war arenas are the Japanese bombers SBDs and Bostons. Very rarely are they used unless a mission involving many protective fighters. Too many fast fighters with cannons out there to pick them off.
The B-25's are used all the time.
You need to spend nore time in the MA's and actually pay attention.
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Maybe we should define the term "hangar-queen" first... :)
BTW, the 5 planes at the bottom in usage (kills+deaths) are
77. B5N
78. 109E
79. C.202
80. BF 110C
81. D3A
The B-25H is #27 just ahead of the F4U-C, B-26B, 109G-14 and Mossie.
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Just to show B25 use in MW, where it is not a hangar queen by any means:
Plane: Kills: Deaths: K/D:
B-25H 369 569 0.65
Il-2 382 367 1.04
Wirbelwind 1572 891 1.76
Wirbelwind is responsible for 89 of the B-25H deaths (5.662% of WW kills/15.614% of deaths of B-25). 84 for the IL-2 (5.344% of WW kills/22.8885% of deaths for IL-2). B-25 kills on Wirbel accounts for 7% of the total B-25H kills. Doesn't look like Wirbel has hindered it's use for MW much.
Top 4 killers (not including gunner) in MW are: Panzer (1997), WW (1572), Spitfire Mrk IX (1165), F6F-5 (1130). B-25 ranks at #20 in kills, Il-2 is #19 of 70. Il-2 doesn't quite dominate as the GV killing king in MW, and the B-25 isn't far down the list of overall killers.
Lw B-25H has 2662 kills (#45) compared to IL-2s 9101 (#13) (~97 planes in LW)...not the best numbers for the 25, but like many other planes in LW it's not used because most want "The best" (not saying everyone does, but it's generally the truth), as seen the IL-2 is used more in LW, likely due to hitting decently and being able to hold its own; where as the 25H hits hard but can't hold well against planes. I could call the A6m2 hangar queen and who would care, maybe 10 people, some planes just won't get much use in Lw.
As for the wish for AP rounds, if we can get them (if they meet inclusion needs)...I say let's get em sometime. HE works wonders (kills anything it can hit), but anything to add to the B-25H is a wish I'll like. :)
not to burst bubbles but this isnt completely accurate. amount of people, preferences, use of late war aircraft. just cuz its #20 and #19 in midwar and #s 45 and #13 in latewar doesnt mean it should be there if other variables were added into your equation/theory