Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Igloo on September 25, 2000, 01:27:00 AM
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With the newest additions to AH being midwar Pacific theatre aircraft, I personally feel that the RAF is not being represented as much in game as it was during WWII.
I was wondering if others would like to see planes like the Tempest, Hurricane and Mosquito being added to the sim during later updates. If not these planes, which do you feel should be in the game to give it more balance?
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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York (http://www.trueorigins.net/411rcaf)
"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]
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Agree. More Brit planes are needed, along with some Russian and Japanese one.
And a JABO variant of the 190 capable of carrying more than one egg.
But, it is a yank sim, so it is natural that it'll take care of the yanks first (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
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We just got the Lancaster this version, and the Typhoon 1 or 2 versions back.
The RAF is doing pretty well in my opinon, especially if you want to look at "represented as much in game as it was during WWII". The RAF has a very popular and capable fighter in the Spit IX, the best or second best ground attack fighter in the game in the Typhoon (which can also double as an effective BnZ fighter), and the most effective bomber in the game, the Lancaster. What more do you want?
Personally, I think its the Japanese and Russian aircraft thats getting the short end of the stick. Only one effective fighter each, and no attack or bomber capability at all.
Numbers wise, I think the numbers of Japanese aircraft were on a par with the British (would have to check my books to be sure), and the numbers of Soviet aircraft were huge yet we only see the La5 and the Yak-9U.
And StSanta, the Germans have the second largest airforce in the game, yet you complain? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I would like to see some serious developement among these two nations aircraft before we see any more US, German, or British (in that order). But thats unlikely to happen.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 09-25-2000).]
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Tu-2/Pe-2/Il-2
P1Y/Ki-67
La-7
Ki-84-Ia,b,c
Then fix the Spitfire F.IX and add the Mk XVI with a bubble hood and RCAF markings or something.
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Gimme Hurricane IIC/D, Beaufighter, Mosquito.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Would love a Tempest but no doubt they'll perk that... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Regards
'Nexx'
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Oh Jeez, if I only had a rearview mirror!
Bies
(http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Adventure/5503/ww2planes/huricane.jpg)
And bring the A26 and Hurricane (Mk IIC/D) to AH!!!
[This message has been edited by YankeeStation (edited 09-25-2000).]
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Verm
Well, what I'm saying is that US types have a lot to choose from. Lotsa planes. Russkies, Krauts and Japs have potent planes (well, sort of) but not that much variety. For Brits, either t&b heaven or the tiffie. Fo russikes, either decent turner LA-5 or good all rounder YAK-9.
Germans have lots of variants in the 109 series, most are rarely used. It's sorta like having P-51A, B, C and D only and added a P-38 for the yanks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Not complaining though; I like my A5 plenty. But, ya gotta admit that US planes are very well represented now and we *could* do with some new Jap/Russkie/LW models. I for one would love to have a 190 that could carry more than one egg, would make JABO'ing much more fun. Don't think it's that huge a request, as yanks have several planes that can carry two or more bombs plus rockets..
Japs and Russkies suffer similar lack of mud moving ordnance options.
Just my opinion.
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
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Remember too that good data has to be readily available. That could be a reason for the order of modeling.
If possible, I'd like to see the Japanese and Russian sides get some new aluminum.
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Italians, Japanese, German and Soviet fans, let's unite (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Bleh Fishu.
Why would the three sides with the least want to ally with the side that is running a close 2nd to the US of A?
I agree that we need more Russian, Japanese and Italian aircraft, British would be nice, German would be OK, but lets lay off of American, OK?
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Known, as of 1.05:
1st American
B-17G
B-26
C-47
F4U-1A
F4U-1C
F6F-5
M-3
M-16
P-38L
P-47D-25 (Brazilian colors)
P-47D-30
P-51D
TBF
Total: 12(13)
2nd Germans
Bf109F-4
Bf109G-2 (Finnish colors)
Bf109G-6
Bf109G-10
Fw190A-5
Fw190A-8
Ju88A-4
Panzer IV-H
Ostwind
Total: 8(9)
3rd British
Lancaster MkIII
Spitfire MkVb
Spitfire MkIX
Typhoon MkII
Total: 4
4th (tie) Italian
C.202
C.205
Total: 2
4th (tie) Japanese
A6M5b Reisen
N1K2-J Shiden Kai
Total: 2
4th (tie) Russian
La5FN
Yak9U
Total: 2
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Sisu
-Karnak
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I think in patch 1.24 we all will be happy
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
i think there might be fokker G.1 in it too
"Bring the fokker G.1 too aces high!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) "
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AH could be the first propsimulator too bring the G.1
also some more pre war planes wich never have been modelled before.
like the dewoitine and yes that brewster buffalo.
how about the fairbattle (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) or the defiant,
gloster meteor and the polish plz
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Spitfire XIV and Fw 190D-9.
To make life for P 51D more interesting (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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I agree that we need more Russian, Japanese and Italian aircraft, British would be nice, German would be OK, but lets lay off of American, OK?
Known, as of 1.05:
Lets' just list combat capable (on par) aircraft (C47 and ground things excluded):
1st American
B-17G
B-26
F4U-1A
F4U-1C
F6F-5
P-38L
P-47D-25 (Brazilian colors)
P-47D-30
P-51D
Total: 10
2nd Germans
Bf109G-10
Fw190A-5
Fw190A-8 (so-so)
Ju88A-4
Total: 3 1/2
3rd British
Lancaster MkIII
Spitfire MkIX
Typhoon MkII
Total: 3
4th Russian
La5FN
Yak9U
Total: 2
5th (tie) Italian
C.205
Total: 1
5th (tie) Japanese
N1K2-J Shiden Kai
Total: 1
I appreciate that some people may feel fondness for, say, 202 or SpitV - it does not change the fact that where 205s and SpitIX are available the "little brothers" are helplessly outgunned/outrun/out of options.
Many people write their wish list completely ignoring the fact that their favourite ride maybe totally "out of place" in the MA environment.
Stuka is the best example - "...I want tankbusting Stuka...(cuz I've read about Rudel and heard about cool siren thing)".
The fact remains that regardless of the pomp and publicity this aircraft received it died in droves to any fighter that cared to come it's way. It was withdrawn from all theaters it fought in because of unsustainable losses. Why waste time modelling it (no matter how cool it migh appear)?
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lynx
13 Sqn RAF
[This message has been edited by -lynx- (edited 09-26-2000).]
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Lynx, how is the La5FN any more "Combat capable" than the 109G6 or the A6M5b (which rightfully so, didn't make your list)?
The La5FN is a 1943 that matchs up with the 109G6 quite well (performance and historically) and the A6M5b is a late war job that performs like a midwar plane.
I would say bump the La5FN off your list (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Polish air force was the 5th largest in wwII, but we only have one in AH so far .
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Lynx has a good point. Even if this is his subjective remark, I fully agree with his plane choice. I believe majority would agree with it too.
Look how many competitive fighters the US planeset has: 7 !!
All of them have abilities to be successfull in the arena, mainly speed and guns. As late war planes should.
And other countries ? 1, 2 or 3 maximum.
The rest are hopeless underdogs.
We can discuss competitive LW planes, since I flew them for a little while:
Me 109G-10 - great 1 on 1 plane, but lacks characteristics for many vs many type of fights. Also has serious problems at high speed. The plane has "target fixation" written all over it (you want me to elaborate more ? ).
Fw 190A-5 - mixed bird, good allrounder, but too slow sometimes. If faster, it would be very competitive, but now falls somewhere in the middle.
Fw 190A-8 - deathtrap for newbies, but very effective with experienced pilots. Still lacks few miles of speed. IMO, the best choice for a dedicated Luftwaffe type in AH.
Planes like 109F-4, Spit V, Mc 202, or Zero may have added numbers (or even a year, in case of Zero), but not the performance of late war planes. Those have been left out so far.
Why hasn't the P 40 or P 39 been modeled instead of P 47D ?
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Verm - was sorta hinting that with a very small amount of programming effort it can be converted into La7 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Plus I flew my best-ever sortie in it with 5 landed kills (albeit long time ago)... Plus I like it... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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lynx
13 Sqn RAF
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heheh trust me Lynx, I have trying to hint to HTC to do the same for a long time. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The La7 is literally just a La5 with a different drag co-efficent. And one other additional armament loadout(x3 20mm instead of x2 2omm).
Definitely looking forward to the La7.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure