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Title: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Treize69 on February 28, 2010, 08:32:55 PM

Two D.VIIs from Jasta 15 (JGII), August of 1918.

(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/Treize69/Jasta15b.jpg?t=1267410425)

(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/Treize69/Jast15a.jpg?t=1267410447)

(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/Treize69/Jasta15lineup.jpg?t=1267410616)

The one with the pennant was supposedly also Eddie Rickenbacker's 22nd kill on October 23, 1918.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Fencer51 on March 04, 2010, 08:12:34 PM

Dibs on Camel B6299 of 10 Naval Squadron, late 1917.  :aok

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Treize69 on March 04, 2010, 08:52:11 PM

Quote from: Fencer51 on March 04, 2010, 08:12:34 PM

Dibs on Camel B6299 of 10 Naval Squadron, late 1917.  :aok

Pics?

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on March 04, 2010, 09:04:39 PM

Dibs on all the rest  :aok

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Fencer51 on March 04, 2010, 09:29:11 PM

Quote from: Treize69 on March 04, 2010, 08:52:11 PM

Pics?

Books, copyright, not owned by me..

edit.. however someone has something.

(http://www.bigscalemodels.com/planes/sopwith/mark-miller/B_B6299.jpg)

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: lyric1 on March 04, 2010, 11:47:53 PM

Well here are a few Fokker's.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fokker-d-vii-ww-1_2.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/3367608834_bd77fe4f28_o.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/GermanFokkerDVII3.jpg)

Now if we are going with personal request then I would like to see a AFC 4 Squadron Camel W in particular. That is it on the far left of the first picture below.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan2-6.jpg)


(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ART17171.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/hellwig_camel001.jpg)

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Treize69 on March 05, 2010, 07:11:29 AM

Oohh, nice Fencer. It'll look beautiful spinning down in flames!  :aok

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Wmaker on March 05, 2010, 07:14:13 AM

Quote from: Fencer51 on March 04, 2010, 09:29:11 PM

(http://www.bigscalemodels.com/planes/sopwith/mark-miller/B_B6299.jpg)

Beautifully drawn profile!

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Treize69 on March 05, 2010, 07:16:47 AM

Quote from: Wmaker on March 05, 2010, 07:14:13 AM

Beautifully drawn profile!

Mark Miller is one hell of an artist. Check out his 3-d artwork, some of it is mindblowing.

http://mwmiller.theaerodrome.com/

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Wmaker on March 05, 2010, 07:19:16 AM

Quote from: Treize69 on March 05, 2010, 07:16:47 AM

Mark Miller is one hell of an artist. Check out his 3-d artwork, some of it is mindblowing.

http://mwmiller.theaerodrome.com/

Ahh, thanks!

Actually I've visited that page of his but it was years ago...headed to check the new stuff! :)

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Megalodon on March 05, 2010, 03:54:30 PM

Quote from: Treize69 on March 05, 2010, 07:11:29 AM

Oohh, nice Fencer. It'll look beautiful spinning down in flames!  :aok

hehehe like "A" flight   :airplane: :joystick:
(http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archive/1b/images/SopCamel_crash.jpg)

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: horble on March 05, 2010, 08:45:59 PM

As long as someone skins the Sopwith Camel - B6313, I'll be a happy man  :D

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: TwinBoom on March 05, 2010, 08:57:02 PM

Quote from: lyric1 on March 04, 2010, 11:47:53 PM

Well here are a few Fokker's.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fokker-d-vii-ww-1_2.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/3367608834_bd77fe4f28_o.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/GermanFokkerDVII3.jpg)

Now if we are going with personal request then I would like to see a AFC 4 Squadron Camel W in particular. That is it on the far left of the first picture below.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan2-6.jpg)


(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ART17171.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/hellwig_camel001.jpg)

here is some more fokkers

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6799/meetq.jpg)

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: lyric1 on March 06, 2010, 02:02:43 AM

Quote from: TwinBoom on March 05, 2010, 08:57:02 PM

here is some more fokkers

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6799/meetq.jpg)

You know I knew some one was going to do that I really did :lol

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: lyric1 on March 06, 2010, 02:34:06 AM

Quote from: lyric1 on March 04, 2010, 11:47:53 PM

Well here are a few Fokker's.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fokker-d-vii-ww-1_2.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/3367608834_bd77fe4f28_o.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/GermanFokkerDVII3.jpg)

Now if we are going with personal request then I would like to see a AFC 4 Squadron Camel W in particular. That is it on the far left of the first picture below.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan2-6.jpg)


(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ART17171.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/hellwig_camel001.jpg)

A little bit more on this plane & it's pilot.

http://www.southsearepublic.org/2002_1999/afc_aces_watson.htm

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: lyric1 on March 06, 2010, 03:15:51 AM

More AFC requests this time with the Bristol F.2B.

AFC 1 Squadron.

First B1146 flown by Ross Smith.


(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan9-3.jpg)

http://www.southsearepublic.org/2002_1999/afc_profiles_10110.htm

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan8-5.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/bristolfighter_b1146.jpg)

Second A7194

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/B01646.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/3288870174_5eb4783542_b.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P02413.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P02413a.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/9_5.jpg)

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Shifty on March 06, 2010, 01:13:57 PM

I've always liked Ernst Udet's DVII.
(http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter1/fokker_d7/fokker-dvii-udet-top.jpg)

(http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter1/fokker_d7/fokker-dvii-udet.jpg)

I'd also love to fly Bruno Stachel's DVII as described in the book The Blue Max.
However it's not historic and Skuzzy would have a fit.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Treize69 on March 06, 2010, 03:10:58 PM

Quote from: Shifty on March 06, 2010, 01:13:57 PM

I've always liked Ernst Udet's DVII.
(http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter1/fokker_d7/fokker-dvii-udet-top.jpg)

(http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter1/fokker_d7/fokker-dvii-udet.jpg)

I'd also love to fly Bruno Stachel's DVII as described in the book The Blue Max.
However it's not historic and Skuzzy would have a fit.

I was thinking of doing that one, but every source I find shows it different. Some say the wing stripes are black, some say the fuselage stripes are wrong, some say it's got a black nose...

I avoided it because of the controversy. It would cause so many arguments its not worth it.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Megalodon on March 06, 2010, 07:08:16 PM

Kirschstein's DVII Jasta 6
(http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archive/1m/images/Kirschstein_Fok.D7.Dr1.stripey.jpg)

or

Neckel's
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/JFM/ETC/Neckel1.jpg)

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Shifty on March 06, 2010, 08:29:04 PM

Quote from: Treize69 on March 06, 2010, 03:10:58 PM

I was thinking of doing that one, but every source I find shows it different. Some say the wing stripes are black, some say the fuselage stripes are wrong, some say it's got a black nose...

I avoided it because of the controversy. It would cause so many arguments its not worth it.

Treize in case you haven't seen this site for skining ideas...

http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter1/fokker-dvii.htm

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Reschke on March 07, 2010, 01:07:23 PM

I personally like this RNAS, Squadron 10 Sopwith myself.

(http://mwmiller.theaerodrome.com/camel/A_B6320.jpg)

http://mwmiller.theaerodrome.com/camel/A_B6320.jpg

Not that I could skin it. I haven't tried doing things like that since early on in the IL-2 days when the templates were easy. I did several 109's and thought I did a pretty good job but someone else did all the panel lines for me. I was just a painter.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Mus51 on March 10, 2010, 06:55:21 PM

I will be happy to do that red D7. Very pretty looking bird!

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Treize69 on March 10, 2010, 07:31:03 PM

I've been talking to a couple of WWI authors and historians about Udet's bird (including Norman Franks, Greg Van Wyngarden and J.R. Williams) and the general consensus now on that one is that it was most likely black stripes and a black nose, like his Dr.I was. I can scan the profile matching that scheme from the Osprey book if anyone wants it to work from.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: lyric1 on March 10, 2010, 08:03:45 PM

Quote from: Treize69 on March 10, 2010, 07:31:03 PM

I've been talking to a couple of WWI authors and historians about Udet's bird (including Norman Franks, Greg Van Wyngarden and J.R. Williams) and the general consensus now on that one is that it was most likely black stripes and a black nose, like his Dr.I was. I can scan the profile matching that scheme from the Osprey book if anyone wants it to work from.

Post it any ways. :aok

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Treize69 on March 10, 2010, 08:05:12 PM

Did they change how you have to save skins for offline view? I can see it just fine in the skin viewer, but its doesn't appear in the drop-down menu in the hangar.

Trying to check how the colors look in the actual environment before I put too much work into it.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Treize69 on March 10, 2010, 08:18:46 PM

(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/Treize69/Udettop.jpg?t=1268273832)

(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/Treize69/Udetside.jpg?t=1268273899)

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Fencer51 on March 10, 2010, 09:07:54 PM

Looks like each skin has 2 files now as well.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Fencer51 on March 11, 2010, 09:37:24 AM

Dibs on this one..

http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/w1/ger/cleaverrd7.htm

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Megalodon on March 11, 2010, 11:28:43 AM

Quote from: Fencer51 on March 11, 2010, 09:37:24 AM

Dibs on this one..

http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/w1/ger/cleaverrd7.htm

2 shots of Sachsenberg's plane on pages 19 & 20 in
"Fokker D VII Aces of World War 1, Part 2"  :salute

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Treize69 on March 11, 2010, 11:34:42 AM

Great profiles of it in that book.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Rino on March 11, 2010, 11:43:04 AM

Quote from: Treize69 on March 05, 2010, 07:16:47 AM

Mark Miller is one hell of an artist. Check out his 3-d artwork, some of it is mindblowing.

http://mwmiller.theaerodrome.com/

     Thanks Treize, that is indeed some good stuff  :aok

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Megalodon on March 11, 2010, 12:25:43 PM

Quote from: Treize69 on March 11, 2010, 11:34:42 AM

Great profiles of it in that book.

There are so many great profiles in this book, it is clear this skin will fill up fast. 

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Motherland on March 14, 2010, 04:43:01 PM

Has anyone started Udet's D.VII with the black striped upper wing yet? If not, I'd like to reserve that, at least until I decide if I can do it justice :)

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Mus51 on March 16, 2010, 02:50:18 AM

My next two projects:
(http://www2.gol.com/users/ransell/PageMill_Resources/CCI.Hippert.D.VII.jpeg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8945/5925x.jpg)

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Treize69 on March 16, 2010, 06:58:15 AM

Raben's D.VIII (the red and white one) should be a plain red upper surface to both wings, not that red lozenge pattern. Other than that, two nice ones, I was thinking of giving both of them a whack myself. Can't wait to see them!  :aok

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Krusty on March 16, 2010, 04:27:04 PM

Treize, I think it's supposed to be showing "bleed-through" from the underlying colors. The undersides have the lozenge pattern and the red was painted after the fact, right?

Artist's interpretation that the red would not totally cover underlying colors, is my guess.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Motherland on March 16, 2010, 04:30:14 PM

I've come to the realization that I've never seen a D.VII in a full factory finish. Does anyone have a picture or a profile of one?

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Krusty on March 16, 2010, 04:33:57 PM

I didn't realize there WAS such a thing!  :banana:


EDIT: er, to answer more directly, that means "nope! not me!"

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Treize69 on March 16, 2010, 06:16:51 PM

Quote from: Krusty on March 16, 2010, 04:27:04 PM

Treize, I think it's supposed to be showing "bleed-through" from the underlying colors. The undersides have the lozenge pattern and the red was painted after the fact, right?

Artist's interpretation that the red would not totally cover underlying colors, is my guess.

The wings and fuselage are painted with the same read dope over the same lozenge fabric, why would one be pristine and the other bleed through that bad?

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Mus51 on March 17, 2010, 12:38:52 AM

Treize, how about if you pick one of those two i posted and i will do the other one?  :)

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on March 17, 2010, 12:57:35 AM

Quote from: Treize69 on March 16, 2010, 06:16:51 PM

The wings and fuselage are painted with the same read dope over the same lozenge fabric, why would one be pristine and the other bleed through that bad?

To much thinner in the mix, to stretch the dope. Oxidation on the top wing from the sun, less than technologically advanced paint systems, ie the paint was crap.
 Or a combination of all.
 All we can do is speculate. But it would make sense and its not outside the realm of realistic possibility that it did infact bleed though do to the factors I listed....

Who really knows at this point. Id say its Artist's choice on that one.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Treize69 on March 17, 2010, 07:02:52 AM

Quote from: Mus51 on March 17, 2010, 12:38:52 AM

Treize, how about if you pick one of those two i posted and i will do the other one?  :)

Nah, go ahead. I'm having enough trouble getting one done that I'm not going to want to do more for a while. Too many little annoying things coupled with too many distractions and RL demands on my time to spend more than a few minutes a day working on one. Its taken me a week to get my first skin about halfway done. At this rate I'd finish a second one sometime around next year. :(

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Fencer51 on March 17, 2010, 09:39:25 AM

Anyone wants to give that "Black and Yellow" checkered D VII I posted about a go, feel free.

http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/w1/ger/cleaverrd7.htm

I took a look at it and the stretching of the upper fusalage is going to give me fits doing it.. not worth the effort at this time.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: ozrocker on March 22, 2010, 05:49:24 AM

Quote from: TwinBoom on March 05, 2010, 08:57:02 PM

here is some more fokkers

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6799/meetq.jpg)

Check out Mother Fokker :D
Buggly
                    <S> Oz     

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Krusty on March 22, 2010, 09:25:27 AM

You mean HTC modeled the biplanes in left/right halves? No upper/lower deck sections?

D'oh! I always liked the remodeled 109E-4 because it had a separate belly piece, something which HTC nixed on the F and later models.

It probably takes up too much room, but they devote so much time to left, right, upper, lower portions of the noses of many planes, it only makes sense that we can skin the rear fuselages as well.

Oh well, something to add to the "wish list" forum.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Fencer51 on March 22, 2010, 10:41:24 AM

Krusty,

There is an upper deck, but there is still stretching.  I am busy with alot of things now and I didn't want to hold onto that skin and end up not doing it because of the complications.  If someone wants to take the time to play with it to get it right, then they are free too.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: Krusty on March 22, 2010, 10:49:28 AM

Thanks for the clarification. I'll have to look at the default layout some day, out of curiousity.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: ebfd11 on March 23, 2010, 11:53:08 AM

Lol I just thought of something.. Get a comel painted to look like wood and put the name Snoopy over the engine cowling and see if that gets accepted..j/k

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: lyric1 on May 08, 2010, 06:09:04 PM

I have a few books with a lot of profiles of D-VII's If any one interested let me know. I will post them if people are interested. Have a photo & profile of Hermann Goring's all white Fokker.

Title: Re: If noones beat me to it, I call these two D.VIIs.
Post by: USRanger on May 08, 2010, 08:48:33 PM

Quote from: lyric1 on May 08, 2010, 06:09:04 PM

I have a few books with a lot of profiles of D-VII's If any one interested let me know. I will post them if people are interested. Have a photo & profile of Hermann Goring's all white Fokker.

I was planning on doing that one next after my current D.VII project. :aok