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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Plawranc on March 01, 2010, 01:42:27 AM
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Hey all.
I am putting in a wish for the P-40 N.
Being used alot by the RAAF and the fact that it is undeniably the best P-40 I think it is a worthy add to the game.
(http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Aircraft/Fighters/AmericanProps/P40nOverChino.jpg)
PS, I know its a two seater.
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Was the P40N the plane that was in that movie SkyCaptain and the World of Tommarrow.If so +1
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P-40N (manufactured 1943-44), the final production model. The P-40N featured a stretched rear fuselage to counter the torque of the larger, late-war Allison engine, and the rear deck of the cockpit behind the pilot was cut down at a moderate slant to improve rearward visibility. A great deal of work was also done to try and eliminate excess weight to improve the Warhawk's climb rate. Early N production blocks dropped a .50 in (12.7 mm) gun from each wing, bringing the total back to four; later production blocks reintroduced it after complaints from units in the field. Supplied to Commonwealth air forces as the Kittyhawk Mk IV. A total of 553 P-40Ns were acquired by the Royal Australian Air Force, making it the variant most commonly used by the RAAF. Subvariants of the P-40N ranged widely in specialization from stripped down four-gun "hot rods" which could reach the highest top speeds of any production variant of the P-40 (up to 380 mph), to overweight types with all the extras intended for fighter-bombing or even training missions.
Specifications: (P-40N):
Engine: 1360hp Allison V-1710-81 inline piston engine
Weight: Empty 6,000 lbs., Max Takeoff 11,400 lbs
Wing Span: 37ft. 4in.
Length: 33ft. 4in.
Height: 12ft. 4in.
Performance:
Maximum Speed at 10,000ft: 378mph
Ceiling: 38,000ft
Range: 840 miles (with no external tanks)
Armament:
Six 12.7mm (0.5-inch) wing-mounted machine guns
Up to 1,500lbs of bombs on three wing hard-points
Number Built: Approximately 15,000
Most produced P-40 variant, apparently.
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+1
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+1 For the wish. I love P40s. :)
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OOOHHH YEEEAAAA!!!!! :aok
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You DO realize, right, that the P-40N never saw action in US employ?
You realize that the lightest, stripped-down, 4-gun, version was a mere 10mph faster than previous versions?
Do you also realize the more common P-40N variant (P-40N-5), with the guns added back, bomb shackles, and the weight re-added, were 12mph slower than the P-40E we currently have in-game? The P-40N-15 was 19mph slower than the P-40E we have in-game.
Just so you know what you're asking for. It would be nice for RAAF and RNZAF (it served in the pacific with a number of other countries, mainly as a fighter-bomber), but it won't make getting kills any easier.
EDIT: P.S. There were around 15000 total P-40s made. Not P-40Ns. We sent 1000 to the VVs, kept a lot (1500? 2000?) for state-side trainers, and exported probably 500-600 to other countries (rough guess, I don't have the numbers in front of me).
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You DO realize, right, that the P-40N never saw action in US employ?
You realize that the lightest, stripped-down, 4-gun, version was a mere 10mph faster than previous versions?
Do you also realize the more common P-40N variant (P-40N-5), with the guns added back, bomb shackles, and the weight re-added, were 12mph slower than the P-40E we currently have in-game? The P-40N-15 was 19mph slower than the P-40E we have in-game.
Just so you know what you're asking for. It would be nice for RAAF and RNZAF (it served in the pacific with a number of other countries, mainly as a fighter-bomber), but it won't make getting kills any easier.
Trying to figure out if this is for or against? :uhoh
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I'm for a couple more P-40s, I'm just bursting the false bubble of illusion that the P-40N was a hot-rod, and a super-P-40. It was not.
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I'm for a couple more P-40s, I'm just bursting the false bubble of illusion that the P-40N was a hot-rod, and a super-P-40. It was not.
CC Krusty! :aok
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I had heard that the P-40F with the Merlin had the best performance in climb and speed.
Infidelz.
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You DO realize, right, that the P-40N never saw action in US employ?
Really? Tell that to the guys in the SWPA and CBI. Especially the 35th and 80th Fighter Squadrons. And I guess the guys like Dick West and 'Cyclone' Davis in the 8th FG who made their names flying the P-40N-5 flying out of Finnschaven didn't exist either? Or the P-40Ns they've recovered from New Guinea and put back in the air for the last 30 years?
(http://www.pacificwrecks.com/airfields/india/nagaghuli/p40n-80fg-nagaghuli.jpg)
(http://kalaniosullivan.com/KunsanAB/8thFW/Pics/8fgCycloneDavis.jpg)
(http://www.pacificwrecks.com/airfields/png/gloucester/wartime/glouchester-dick-west-p40n.jpg)
Right as always Krusty.
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Really? Tell that to the guys in the SWPA and CBI. Especially the 35th and 80th Fighter Squadrons. And I guess the guys like Dick West and 'Cyclone' Davis in the 8th FG who made their names flying the P-40N-5 flying out of Finnschaven didn't exist either? Or the P-40Ns they've recovered from New Guinea and put back in the air for the last 30 years?
(http://www.pacificwrecks.com/airfields/india/nagaghuli/p40n-80fg-nagaghuli.jpg)
(http://kalaniosullivan.com/KunsanAB/8thFW/Pics/8fgCycloneDavis.jpg)
(http://www.pacificwrecks.com/airfields/png/gloucester/wartime/glouchester-dick-west-p40n.jpg)
Right as always Krusty.
Quick correction, the 80th Fighter Squadron didn't use the P-40. They were equipped with the P-39 then later the P-38. I believe the third 8th FG squadron the 36th had the P-40 for awhile before they shipped overseas but I think they had switched to P-39's by the time they arrived in Port Moresby.
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His barb was as well-intended as a sniping barb can be, though.
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Meant 80th FG, always do that with them for some reason. The Skull-headed -Ns.
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I had to do a little checking to refresh my memory. It didn't help. From what I can gather they flew a rotating CAP of 4 P-40s over the himalayas while cargo planes flew over "the hump" -- and later moved to P-38s and other planes.
did they ever even meet the enemy?
One term did come up, called it a "forgotten war" -- which is probably why I hadn't heard of it :D
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Really? Tell that to the guys in the SWPA and CBI. Especially the 35th and 80th Fighter Squadrons. And I guess the guys like Dick West and 'Cyclone' Davis in the 8th FG who made their names flying the P-40N-5 flying out of Finnschaven didn't exist either? Or the P-40Ns they've recovered from New Guinea and put back in the air for the last 30 years?
(http://www.pacificwrecks.com/airfields/india/nagaghuli/p40n-80fg-nagaghuli.jpg)
(http://kalaniosullivan.com/KunsanAB/8thFW/Pics/8fgCycloneDavis.jpg)
(http://www.pacificwrecks.com/airfields/png/gloucester/wartime/glouchester-dick-west-p40n.jpg)
Right as always Krusty.
This is supposedly an existing P-40-N5:
(http://i48.tinypic.com/se1vgl.jpg)
P-40E:
(http://www.air-and-space.com/20070520%20Chino/_BEL1433%20P-40E%20NX940AK%20right%20side%20take-off%20l.jpg)
P-40F
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/5/1/4/1534415.jpg)
The differences are tough to see but the fuselage is longer on the N model and the canopy is different...anyone see any other differences in the air frame?
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Just a plug, Australia has the ONLY P-40 F left flying and I have seen it go.
I want that too :x
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Trying to figure out if this is for or against? :uhoh
Let me help, Waystin.
As an impartial observer with no bone to pick with either you or Mr. Krusty, I can report to you, free of baggage, that Mr. Krusty has one overrriding suspicion with respect to all of these wish list items. He reckons, and has stated as much, that the primary reason for a player to request a new ride is that said player thinks it will give him a boost akin to an overdose of levitra at sorority freak-show inititiation night. In short, he thinks people request rides only because they think they are "uber".
Example/
Mr. Krusty: Like the G.55? It's only because you think it's uber. Well, news, pal: it won't make you uber.
Now, some might say that, for Krusty to be narrow-minded w/r to new adds, he'd have to widen his aspect. I think there's about 50% truth to his viewpoint.
Also, Krusty, see my attribution at the end of the last Ki44/KI100 thread - I think I tracked down the origin of the latewar UberHikoki myth.
And, of course, perfunctory salutes to both Mr. Krusty and Waystin, two old salts...
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Let me help, Waystin.
As an impartial observer with no bone to pick with either you or Mr. Krusty, I can report to you, free of baggage, that Mr. Krusty has one overrriding suspicion with respect to all of these wish list items. He reckons, and has stated as much, that the primary reason for a player to request a new ride is that said player thinks it will give him a boost akin to an overdose of levitra at sorority freak-show inititiation night. In short, he thinks people request rides only because they think they are "uber".
Example/
Mr. Krusty: Like the G.55? It's only because you think it's uber. Well, news, pal: it won't make you uber.
Now, some might say that, for Krusty to be narrow-minded w/r to new adds, he'd have to widen his aspect. I think there's about 50% truth to his viewpoint.
Also, Krusty, see my attribution at the end of the last Ki44/KI100 thread - I think I tracked down the origin of the latewar UberHikoki myth.
And, of course, perfunctory salutes to both Mr. Krusty and Waystin, two old salts...
All of this is understood Godzilla. LOL
:salute
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Any new AC is welcome.
As for the clown..... see sig. :D
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Bronk likes to troll.
Godzilla, you don't understand the entire picture... The entire history of this forum, from day 1, has been wishing for planes with best, better, bestest performance.
90% of all the requests are for super planes. The newbies that have jack-all education on the matter often spout off "I hear plane X was the best in the war! Let's have it!!!"
The G-55 was not uber. It was slower than a lot of other planes in 1943 and later. It wasn't the best turner.
The Ki-100 was not this widely falsified super plane.
Yet these types of stupid (yes, plain old "stupid") posts keep popping up time after time as old newbies learn more, and new newbies rotate in to fill their slots.
I am not narrow minded in the matter. I'm simply sick of folks making false claim that "I want this plane because it was the bestest!" -- when in fact it was worse than what we already have in-game.
Misconceptions, false information (not really anybody's fault, so much is wrong on the internet, i.e. cowl Mg151/20s on the 109K series), and folks not checking up on the plane they want before they request it, make me respond in a similar manner to most of the threads that all follow this type of pattern.
Then there's the minority of spit pilots that intentionally down-play or misrepresent current game models in a plea for something "that can compete" (usually a +2,000 boost spitfire with 50x hispanos and a range of 10,000 miles)
My post was corrective in nature, not vindictive. Sometimes you just gotta club a baby seal until he gets the idea.
P.S. Anybody that knows me knows I'd love to have a G.55 in-game. But I will stand up and defend the facts and state quite plainly it's not the best plane at anything. I do want many non-uber planes in this game, but the posts asking for less-than-super planes are often quite obvious, and earn a different level of response and tone in that response.
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Then there's the minority of spit pilots that intentionally down-play or misrepresent current game models in a plea for something "that can compete" (usually a +2,000 boost spitfire with 50x hispanos and a range of 10,000 miles)
Don't forget the tards who whine about light speed bombers. :D
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Bronk likes to troll.
Godzilla, you don't understand the entire picture... The entire history of this forum, from day 1, has been wishing for planes with best, better, bestest performance.
90% of all the requests are for super planes. The newbies that have jack-all education on the matter often spout off "I hear plane X was the best in the war! Let's have it!!!"
The G-55 was not uber. It was slower than a lot of other planes in 1943 and later. It wasn't the best turner.
The Ki-100 was not this widely falsified super plane.
Yet these types of stupid (yes, plain old "stupid") posts keep popping up time after time as old newbies learn more, and new newbies rotate in to fill their slots.
I am not narrow minded in the matter. I'm simply sick of folks making false claim that "I want this plane because it was the bestest!" -- when in fact it was worse than what we already have in-game.
Misconceptions, false information (not really anybody's fault, so much is wrong on the internet, i.e. cowl Mg151/20s on the 109K series), and folks not checking up on the plane they want before they request it, make me respond in a similar manner to most of the threads that all follow this type of pattern.
Then there's the minority of spit pilots that intentionally down-play or misrepresent current game models in a plea for something "that can compete" (usually a +2,000 boost spitfire with 50x hispanos and a range of 10,000 miles)
My post was corrective in nature, not vindictive. Sometimes you just gotta club a baby seal until he gets the idea.
P.S. Anybody that knows me knows I'd love to have a G.55 in-game. But I will stand up and defend the facts and state quite plainly it's not the best plane at anything. I do want many non-uber planes in this game, but the posts asking for less-than-super planes are often quite obvious, and earn a different level of response and tone in that response.
Mr. Krusty, you are entirely correct on the Ki-100, see the post to which I referred. I think I tracked down the source of said annoying myth - and it ties back to N1K2 - and it was only four kills. As for the rest, keep fighting the good fight. As I said, I think there is a decent factual basis for this desire for best, better, uber - and, by transit, your suspicion.
Finally, I like the fact that you're looking for fact. As a prof once told me, data without theory is noise, theory without data is bull. I have no inclination to remember your post as "vindictive".
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Don't forget the tards who whine about light speed bombers. :D
Or the ones that defend them as being historical?
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Here we are, Mr. Krusty - and I agree that this hardly makes the N1K2 uber - much less the Ki-100, which never did such a thing:
"According to "Genda's Blade 343 Kokutai Japans Squadron of Aces" the event occurred on the 16th feb, and that in fact 10 Japanese pilots fought against the F6F's in this battle shooting down 4, the military propaganda machine needed a hero and Muto was their man!.....the 12 to 1 myth has evolved into fact.
Ensign Kaneyoshi Muto was an 8 year veteran and an Ace in his own right with around 30 victories he would not return from a mission on the 24th July 1945 and is Missing in Action.
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The guy was Muto, his ride a Nikkie (george). This, I believe, is the source of the myth of the uberHikoki.
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I'm for a couple more P-40s, I'm just bursting the false bubble of illusion that the P-40N was a hot-rod, and a super-P-40. It was not.
The "Hot Rod N's" were the one's that were stripped of two of the six guns. Yes, those WERE the fastest 40's (that actually saw Action in WWII), five sources confirm this. But not all of the N's were of the four gun package though. The "Hot Rod N" could hit around 375-380mph, depending on the source.
Moving elsewhere in the thread. The Merlin equipped "F" was more efficient and packed a little more punch than the Allison's. But the "F" was still slower than the "Hot Rod N".
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Or the ones that defend them as being historical?
Ohh they are tards also. However not as big as light speed whiners... cus they fly fighters firewalled also.
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+1.............................................................................................. Somebody finally asks!
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...SNIP...
P-40F
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/5/1/4/1534415.jpg)
The differences are tough to see but the fuselage is longer on the N model and the canopy is different...anyone see any other differences in the air frame?
The top of the cowling on the F does not have the air intake and the lower intake is moved slightly forward (from the E version). Early versions of the F were shorter and later had a plug added for roll ?? stability (F-5 and on long tail). And of course there is a Merlin under the hood for better altitude performance.
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?p=1503596 (http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?p=1503596)
Here is a table that shows the performance capabilities. Its from the internet so ...
http://www.acepilots.com/planes/p40_warhawk.html (http://www.acepilots.com/planes/p40_warhawk.html)
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they should add some more japanese, russian and luft rides esp the ones that are missing for scenarios and FSOs.
My all time wish is to have the JU87 G for tank busting :pray
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Specifications: (P-40N):
Engine: 1360hp Allison V-1710-81 inline piston engine
Weight: Empty 6,000 lbs., Max Takeoff 11,400 lbs
Wing Span: 37ft. 4in.
Length: 33ft. 4in.
Height: 12ft. 4in.
Performance:
Maximum Speed at 10,000ft: 378mph
Ceiling: 38,000ft
Range: 840 miles (with no external tanks)
Armament:
Six 12.7mm (0.5-inch) wing-mounted machine guns
Up to 1,500lbs of bombs on three wing hard-points
Number Built: Approximately 15,000
Not too terrible, about averge or a little below for a MW plane.
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+1 :old:
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1. Its a wish list.
2. The 'N' meets the critera
3. When the p40 is eventually updated it shouldn't be that difficult to have another variant.
4. Its low on the list for anything obivously.
Lets not get our knickers in a twist.
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i think that if we got this id actually like P40s...
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Anybody seen Skycaptain and the world of tommarrow is the plane hes flying the P40N?
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its not a P40 two seat variant. its single seat
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its not a P40 two seat variant. its single seat
Then which plane is skycaptain flying.
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im pretty sure it was the P40 E but idk. kinda hard to tell the difference between the P40 variants
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im pretty sure it was the P40 E but idk. kinda hard to tell the difference between the P40 variants
Well it must have been a 2 seated plane because Polly perkins was in the back seat.It is after all a plane with grappling hooks that can go underwater.
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N would be awesome! Think of the skins! While were at it, can we get a hot rod AVG B/C export model. :devil
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If it was used by Aussies,
+100
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Anybody seen Skycaptain and the world of tommarrow is the plane hes flying the P40N?
I think it was a P-40K, but I could be wrong.
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1. Its a wish list.
2. The 'N' meets the critera
3. When the p40 is eventually updated it shouldn't be that difficult to have another variant.
4. Its low on the list for anything obivously.
Lets not get our knickers in a twist.
Common sense ... on the AHBBS?
:aok
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Well it must have been a 2 seated plane because Polly perkins was in the back seat.It is after all a plane with grappling hooks that can go underwater.
Obviously, Sky Captain's plane is a P-40D, with the D standing for Dex, as Dex modified it from it's base model to include grappling hooks, a telegraph, magnetic explosive compartment, as well as wings that can sustain a much tighter turn radius than what would normally be possible without dropping flaps. And let's not forget the super engine that get's him up to flying speed without any evidence of torque. Seriously, if we get the plane from the movie, we might as well give the B-24s some jet engines and say "Nuts" to realism.
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Obviously, Sky Captain's plane is a P-40D, with the D standing for Dex, as Dex modified it from it's base model to include grappling hooks, a telegraph, magnetic explosive compartment, as well as wings that can sustain a much tighter turn radius than what would normally be possible without dropping flaps. And let's not forget the super engine that get's him up to flying speed without any evidence of torque. Seriously, if we get the plane from the movie, we might as well give the B-24s some jet engines and say "Nuts" to realism.
Cool :cheers:
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all i care about is if the darn thing can turn or not
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all i care about is if the darn thing can turn or not
Not really.
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Better than some, worse than others. A little worse than average.
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I'm all for the P40N :aok
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they should add some more japanese, russian and luft rides esp the ones that are missing for scenarios and FSOs.
My all time wish is to have the JU87 G for tank busting :pray
this,
before another hangar queen only a few AUZ players or P40 devotees fly regularly.
srsly, I would love to snap my fingers and say - lets go get all this. But I see MA as the place these planes will be flown, not FSOs or BOBs and in teh MA the russians and japanese need better reprisentation.
i assume though that modeling a P40 variation is a lot easier then a whole new plane. . .
oh. and yest to the P-40 Dex. . . sounds like a great way to get away from someone is to simply dive. . . underwater!!
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Ruah, to rain on your parade, we need to GET an underwater first.
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Obviously, Sky Captain's plane is a P-40D, with the D standing for Dex, as Dex modified it from it's base model to include grappling hooks, a telegraph, magnetic explosive compartment, as well as wings that can sustain a much tighter turn radius than what would normally be possible without dropping flaps. And let's not forget the super engine that get's him up to flying speed without any evidence of torque. Seriously, if we get the plane from the movie, we might as well give the B-24s some jet engines and say "Nuts" to realism.
I would rather have Angelina Jolie's aircraft.....with her in it.
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First, it sounds like our P40E is a conglomeration of P40's like AH's old and now defunct 109G-10. If our P40B and P40E are not correct, then I would hope AH would correct them and add in the N model. After all, the N model was the most produced. It is kind of like having a Spitfire lineup without the Spit9 or the 109 lineup without the G-6 (or G-10?).
From multiple sources on my bookshelf, it appears that the N model is 20-40mph faster at varying alts than the P40E with an appx max speed of around 380mph at 15k.
I vote for adding it, and allowing the choice of the 4 gun or 6 gun weapon package.
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My question, really who is not for any new planes?
I like the p40 any variant +1
It could even have some nice Russian lend lease skins :rock
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Not just P-40 devotee's fly the P-40. I'm flying it lately, but thats just because I need to push myself. Went from the high preformance LW planes, to the MW planes (P-51B, FM2, 109G2, 190A5) and now I'm on the EW planes.
Point is that if it was a bit faster and could climb a bit better then (IMO) it would see more use. I shot down a spit XIV with it just last night, pilot was floatsup. To amend my earlier post on the P-40's turning abilities, I was able to keep with the spit 14 for short periods before he started pulling ahead of me, we were both low E and his engine power probably helped him in the turning.
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Not just P-40 devotee's fly the P-40. I'm flying it lately, but thats just because I need to push myself. Went from the high preformance LW planes, to the MW planes (P-51B, FM2, 109G2, 190A5) and now I'm on the EW planes.
Point is that if it was a bit faster and could climb a bit better then (IMO) it would see more use. I shot down a spit XIV with it just last night, pilot was floatsup. To amend my earlier post on the P-40's turning abilities, I was able to keep with the spit 14 for short periods before he started pulling ahead of me, we were both low E and his engine power probably helped him in the turning.
I believe it has been previously pointed out, however, that it really wouldn't be faster nor would it climb any better.
Would a P-40N vs a P-40E be as different in flight characteristics as a Spit VIII vs a Spit IX or would it fly basically the same but only look slightly different?
Some say it is faster. Some say, with added armor and bomb racks, that it actually performs worse than the "hybrid" P-40E we have now.
I'm all for any new aircraft also but there are also priorities and limited resources. You cannot expect every variant of every aircraft that ever saw combat to be added.
Wish away.
wrongway
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I believe it has been previously pointed out, however, that it really wouldn't be faster nor would it climb any better.
Would a P-40N vs a P-40E be as different in flight characteristics as a Spit VIII vs a Spit IX or would it fly basically the same but only look slightly different?
Some say it is faster. Some say, with added armor and bomb racks, that it actually performs worse than the "hybrid" P-40E we have now.
I'm all for any new aircraft also but there are also priorities and limited resources. You cannot expect every variant of every aircraft that ever saw combat to be added.
IMO, the pilot in the P-40N would have an edge, assuming an equal level of skill between the pilots.
It was my understanding that the P-40N was a lightened 4-gun version of the P-40E, mounting a more powerful engine. Wich P-40N version are we talking about here?
of course not, that would be asking too much of HTC.
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I'd love to see the P40N added! :aok