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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: lyric1 on March 02, 2010, 01:46:30 AM
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Since this aircraft is so popular & has quite a few positions still open for it in the skins catalog. I thought I would dig up a few aircraft that are from squadrons less known or earlier variations of squadron skins that are not seen so often. Any one who wants to skin them claim them now. :aok
SEXY SUZY 318TH F/G 73RD F/S.
This aircraft belonged to Lt. Robert O'Hara. Tail tip is black with white writing.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/3a.jpg) (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/3b.jpg)
CHEEK BABY 318TH F/G 333 RD F/S.
This plane belonged to Col. Durwood B Williams.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4d.jpg) (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4c.jpg) (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4a.jpg) (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4e.jpg) (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4f.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4g.jpg) (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4h.jpg)
413TH F/G 21ST F/S.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan10-1.jpg) (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan16.jpg)
HUEY/DITDONC 414TH F/G 356TH F/S.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/2b.jpg) (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/2a.jpg) (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/2c.jpg)
413TH F/G 1ST F/S.
This aircraft is not very clear in terms of it's art work on it's nose or under the cockpit. I can't make out at all what either are but I think the circle is the squadron logo for the 1ST F/S. As a lot of the units had them in the pacific at a best guess.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1a-1.jpg)
If you look you can see the letters AC on the engine cowling.
Here are some squadron patches & history of the squadron logo.
If the squadron logo is on the side of the plane it would be like the patch less the writing & the section that it is in.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/usaf/1fs.htm
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1e-1.jpg) (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1d-1.png) (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1g.jpg)
If any one was to do this plane maybe best just to leave all the art work off & just go with the basic plane. I would guess if one was to do that I think you could make the argument at one point in time that would have been historically correct?
ANOTHER 1ST F/S PLANE.
Sadly no aircraft letter designation it may be good for reference material. Interesting the N5 stencil just above the guns maybe a clue to the correct plane identification lettering?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1c.jpg)
MAYBE 21ST F/S? LESS HEART LOGO ON TAIL
The wing stripes match a 34TH F/S can't tell maybe another good reference aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/jack-payne-28-flying-thunderbolt.jpg)
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The book that I used to reference HUEY/DITDONC has a typo it should be 456TH F/S not 356TH F/S.
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Thanks for researching those Lyric. I'm going to skin a P-47N soon, haven't decided which yet.
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very interesting. I'd be interested in doing one of the black-marked planes.
On Sexy Suzy, are you sure that's black and not blue? It also looks like there is coloring on the stabilizers (you can see it starts about halfway out on them, same as the vertical stab).
Tough decision, but I think I'd like to do the black diamond rudder. Now, to dust off my P-47N template!
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I'm interested in doing 'Cheek Baby', it looks really nice!
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very interesting. I'd be interested in doing one of the black-marked planes.
On Sexy Suzy, are you sure that's black and not blue? It also looks like there is coloring on the stabilizers (you can see it starts about halfway out on them, same as the vertical stab).
Tough decision, but I think I'd like to do the black diamond rudder. Now, to dust off my P-47N template!
Based off this profile it would be black & a nice pick up on the stabilizer had not noticed that. :aok
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan9-1.jpg)
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I'm interested in doing 'Cheek Baby', it looks really nice!
Just remember the colour pictures have not got the correct tail number for Col.Williams plane.
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Quick question: Is the glass on the wingtips colored, or is the glass clear and the lightbulb colored?
Wingtips not shown (clipped off) in your museum pictures.
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NICE! Do you got more black P47N's? I'm almost done with my template :)
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Quick question: Is the glass on the wingtips colored, or is the glass clear and the lightbulb colored?
Wingtips not shown (clipped off) in your museum pictures.
At work at present can't link to anything. Based off all the other pics in this thread I would say clear glass colour bulb.
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NICE! Do you got more black P47N's? I'm almost done with my template :)
If you mean 1ST F/S no these are the only two photo's I have found.
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Thanks for researching those Lyric. I'm going to skin a P-47N soon, haven't decided which yet.
Will send you something special. :rofl
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This would be a rather generic aircraft but I guess it would work for the 414TH F/G 413TH F/S. # 665 TAIL # 488610?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan2-4.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan8-3.jpg)
I was going to list this aircraft for this squadron.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/2ca.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/2cc.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/2cd.jpg)
However based off the book I have the number of the aircraft cant be right. See second image above^ if it is correct it would be a 456TH F/S & that would make it a blue coloured aircraft.
There we go much better it's a blue plane now. We have some one who knows how to do a profile correctly.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/000_3866-1.jpg)
Lesson to be learned here is never trust artist's modelers & profiles always get a photo :headscratch: Oh yeah I don't have one of those either. :bolt:
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Since we are on 465TH F/S I noticed the plane in the back ground of this picture I posted before.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/2c.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/KINKY.jpg)
I edited the picture & noticed the plane is called KINKY Maybe even the individual letters match in colour as they all seem to be different. This plane may suit a lot of AHII players? :)
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Can we get a Russian lend lease skin please......
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Can we get a Russian lend lease skin please......
I don't think the Russians had P47N's?
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I have looked around and got some different answers. I know they had D models for sure.
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I edited the picture & noticed the plane is called KINKY Maybe even the individual letters match in colour as they all seem to be different. This plane may suit a lot of AHII players? :)
Not unless there's a picture below the text depicting a sheep of some sort.....
:noid
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Not unless there's a picture below the text depicting a sheep of some sort.....
:noid
Sorry Krusty no live stock pictures on that plane.
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I'd love to see someone re do Red E Ruth. :pray
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*cough*
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/p47n/skin5.jpg)
Got any suggestions on what you'd like improved?
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*cough*
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/p47n/skin5.jpg)
Got any suggestions on what you'd like improved?
That is never a good idea to ask publically with this crowd. :eek:
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I'd love to see someone re do Red E Ruth. :pray
Where will Krusty go with it?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan10-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan7-4.jpg)
Well maybe he could update the spinner & the updated blue instead of white writing?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/06785-1.jpg)
Or maybe he should just change it's squadron? :lol
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/lrg-118-jack-payne-26-hal-barbret.jpg)
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*cough*
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/p47n/skin5.jpg)
Got any suggestions on what you'd like improved?
It needs footprints.
:P
wrongway
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:rofl
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Any one who is thinking of doing a 1ST F/S aircraft you may want to hold off I was given a lead to a book that has what may be slight variations on the two pictures I posted & potentially more interesting & maybe more colourful. I placed the order for the book & should be here in the next few days.
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Not exactly a hijack, since this IS a thread about P-47Ns....
So the main complaint is just minor details? Whew... Here I was thinking it was a critique of my BMF or something :)
Well at the time I had limited resources, no pictures of the wartime thing. However, every profile I've ever seen of it has a blue hub on the prop. I have no idea what's up with that spiral prop hub. You note in the first photos the name is very pale blue or faded white, not blue/black as in the spiral-hubbed picture.
What is that? Post war "warbird"?
Also, I have no idea what the frak is up with that last picture. Totally different tail code, not the same plane at all. Photoshop? Or perhaps some other plane before Red-E-Ruth with the same nose-artist?
Just saying, I'm open to these little facts being brought up for correction, but going by the first 2 pics I'm pretty close to the real thing, right?
EDIT: P.S. Thanks for the warning lyric. I can't thank you enough for posting these. Let me know if you find any other info, especially any better shots of the round badge/emblem on the starboard side below the canopy (and/or the port side, so I know if it goes there, too!)
EDIT: I will fix a few quirks on Red-E-Ruth that bug me while I work on the 1st F/S skin, just FYI. Will post screenshots for feedback at that time, in separate threads.
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Not exactly a hijack, since this IS a thread about P-47Ns....
So the main complaint is just minor details? Whew... Here I was thinking it was a critique of my BMF or something :)
Well at the time I had limited resources, no pictures of the wartime thing. However, every profile I've ever seen of it has a blue hub on the prop. I have no idea what's up with that spiral prop hub. You note in the first photos the name is very pale blue or faded white, not blue/black as in the spiral-hubbed picture.
What is that? Post war "warbird"?
Also, I have no idea what the frak is up with that last picture. Totally different tail code, not the same plane at all. Photoshop? Or perhaps some other plane before Red-E-Ruth with the same nose-artist?
Just saying, I'm open to these little facts being brought up for correction, but going by the first 2 pics I'm pretty close to the real thing, right?
EDIT: P.S. Thanks for the warning lyric. I can't thank you enough for posting these. Let me know if you find any other info, especially any better shots of the round badge/emblem on the starboard side below the canopy (and/or the port side, so I know if it goes there, too!)
EDIT: I will fix a few quirks on Red-E-Ruth that bug me while I work on the 1st F/S skin, just FYI. Will post screenshots for feedback at that time, in separate threads.
I was totally kidding on RED E RUTH I was having a bit of fun with the numbers guy. I thought that it was that obvious I didn't put in enough smiley faces I guess I thought you would have seen the joke since I sent you the painted spinner picture ages ago. I am sorry did not mean to get you upset. The last photo is not a photo shop it was a pilot who liked the nose art & put it on his plane not that uncommon I have seen that happen in the same squadron before.
Here is a picture from a link Greebo sent me that makes reference of a book I ordered tonight. It seems the first squadron was not around long but had a few paint schemes going at the same time.
When it gets here I will fill you in.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/413fg.jpg)
The profile is not correct in terms of the black line width but you can see in the photo
the planes in the back ground have black rudders & blue beyond the rudders up to the line & the first plane has a all blue tail.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1fsp47n150dpi.jpg)
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Back on the topic of new skins:
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/413fg.jpg)
... you can see in the photo the planes in the back ground have black rudders & blue beyond the rudders up to the line & the first plane has a all blue tail.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean here, can you re-phrase that?
Black rudders, I follow, but the "blue beyond the rudders up to the line" I don't follow. The planes with black rudders don't appear to have any blue. Unless you're referring to the black-tailed planes first, then referring to the blue-tailed planes second, in the same sentence?
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Back on the topic of new skins:
I'm not sure I understand what you mean here, can you re-phrase that?
Black rudders, I follow, but the "blue beyond the rudders up to the line" I don't follow. The planes with black rudders don't appear to have any blue. Unless you're referring to the black-tailed planes first, then referring to the blue-tailed planes second, in the same sentence?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1a-1-1-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/413fg.jpg)
The two aircraft in the back ground have been painted slightly differant than the first aircraft you decided to skin based off this profile I found in another book I have. The bare metal with black rudder & cowling & wing tips was the first & older style the squadron had.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan9-4.jpg)
Then they started to change the paint work the two aircraft in the back ground have a combination of this profile. Black rudder & blue stabilizers all the way to the thin black line just before the white bar of the US insignia on the fuselage.
The closest plane AY has the blue tail & maybe the diamond? can't quite tell.
No black line black wing tips & black engine cowling or you could say another aircraft in transition to the later profile?
The blue tail portion I am referring too is coming from this thread http://forum.armyairforces.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=83565&mpage=1#83788 & this is where I got the information for the book I ordered.
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If any one is thinking of doing Sexy Suzy here is a rear shot of another 73RD squadron aircraft they can reference the black markings on the horizontal parts of the tail.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/3c.jpg)
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If any one was thinking of doing this aircraft from the 21ST F/S.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan10-1-1.jpg)
I found a book that shows how the colouring & markings should be & not based off this profile I posted before. The first book I took this information from has quite a few mistakes in it about the P47-N's.
Wrong vvvvvv
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan16-1.jpg)
Right except for the width of the black stripe. vvvvvv
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ooo-1.jpg)
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If any one is thinking of doing Sexy Suzy here is a rear shot of another 73RD squadron aircraft they can reference the black markings on the horizontal parts of the tail.
They actually follow the same pattern (just different color) as other P-47s, so you can tell how they should appear even from the previous pic which had a bad angle on them. Note the same on the yellow and blue tails. They had the same patterns, just changed the colors ;)
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The book I was waiting on arrived not a lot to add in regards to the 1ST F/S I am afraid.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/kl.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan5-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan3-3.jpg)
Also I noticed that the 73RD F/S added it's BAR flies logo to the left side of it's planes I have yet to find a picture of their aircraft with out this logo.
If any one is doing Sexy Suzy you might want to add it.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan4-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/3604410029_f2426ca7dc_o.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/3457249344_2ec6f86f65_o.jpg)
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The book I was waiting on arrived not a lot to add in regards to the 1ST F/S I am afraid.
No worries on that. Thanks for taking the time to post what you had.
I'm definitely going to work on a black-ruddered 1st FS skin, and if nobody does one before I get around to it, I'll see about getting the "blue tail with diamond on the rudder, but with black cowl ring and black wingtips" version done, as well!
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413TH F/G 21ST F/S.
Found this one in the book I got as well it has some nose art unlike the other I posted from the same squadron. It is called Little Girl Yip.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan2-8.jpg)
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When 1st FS was going through the changes from black rudder to blue rudder, what color was the prop hub?
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When 1st FS was going through the changes from black rudder to blue rudder, what color was the prop hub?
It may have been black. But I was just looking at the schematics that Lyric1 posted. The picture shows a blue tail, rather than just rudder though.
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Yes, "black rudder to blue tail" is what I meant.
I don't think it's black. Looks like it's a lighter color, but I can't tell if it is light grey (unpainted), yellow, blue, or what.
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Yes, "black rudder to blue tail" is what I meant.
I don't think it's black. Looks like it's a lighter color, but I can't tell if it is light grey (unpainted), yellow, blue, or what.
I think it is just bare metal at a best guess?
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Technically, the "bare" is really a light grey, but I'll go with that. :aok
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I've already done the black bits on the 47N I've just submitted, but there are so few 47N skins that I'd like to get this one in as well.
Got any reference pics (or at least profiles with codes/numbers) of the blue tail, black cowl+wingtips, yellow diamon ("Pink hearts, yellow moons, green clovers!" -- no, wait, that's Lucky Charms) as seen here:
(second down)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan3-3.jpg)
... and as inaccurately drawn here (blue/black on the tail is a bit wrong)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan9-4.jpg)
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All I have on these rare squadrons is on this forum. Sadly very little to go on. Your best choice is the very first picture on this page & that is aircraft AY. It is transition it has the blue tail no yellow diamond as yet or the thin black stripe. Based off the black & white profile listing AA TO AZ as the choices to be had I would say use a little creative license as you did with your other aircraft from this unit & take AY to it's logical finish.
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Once again, thanks for all the helpful input, Lyric.
I'll do a bit of searching on the internet for some references, and if I don't find anything I'll do just that. To be honest, one of my existing blue-tailed P-47Ns is on far far thinner ice, reference-wise, and HTC let it in (turns out after the fact there are tons of references, I just didn't have access to them at the time!)
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Lyric1,
Would you please tell me the title and authors of the books containing photos and drawings of 413th FG P-47s?
I'm doing research on that group.
Thank you
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Lyric1,
Would you please tell me the title and authors of the books containing photos and drawings of 413th FG P-47s?
I'm doing research on that group.
Thank you
Check Pm's. :aok
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Lyric1,
Would you please tell me the title and authors of the books containing photos and drawings of 413Th FG P-47s?
I'm doing research on that group.
Thank you
I was sent a site on the 413TH by wbtyler today he has done a great job. Rare photos documents interviews & so on it is worth looking at also some other skin opportunity's for the P47N.
http://www.413thfightergroup.com/
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Since this aircraft is so popular & has quite a few positions still open for it in the skins catalog. I thought I would dig up a few aircraft that are from squadrons less known or earlier variations of squadron skins that are not seen so often. Any one who wants to skin them claim them now. :aok
SEXY SUZY 318TH F/G 73RD F/S.
This aircraft belonged to Lt. Robert O'Hara. Tail tip is black with white writing.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/3a.jpg) (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/3b.jpg)
This site has now started to do P-47 profiles.
Sexy Suzy is on the list for any one who wants to do an early version P-47N.
http://www.markstyling.com/p_47.01.htm