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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Shifty on March 07, 2010, 03:40:57 PM
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Jaeger the no icons thing is a blast with the current setup.
When you asked me if I could see enemy icons I didn't realize you had turned them off. I was closing on Midway in my A6M2.I look over my shoulder and thought what the hell is that black thing? The black thing became a blue F4F that started shooting and nearly clobbered me. It was a freaking hoot.
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its more fun to see the reaction when theres no warning, but sorry anyway hehehe. have fun with it for now! :D
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its more fun to see the reaction when theres no warning, but sorry anyway hehehe. have fun with it for now! :D
No harm I got out of his way and reversed my fortune. I have to say it's very enjoyable so far. I can see how it might not be for everyone, but it's something that folks should try.
I know there are a lot of strong opinions on the subject. However it was pretty cool having to strain to pick up those blue F4Fs against the water, and the naked feeling I got tooling around in a light grey A6M2. It also causes you to get in close before pulling the trigger you don't want to waste your precious cannon rounds if your not sure you're within 200 yards. I haven't got to fly the 50 cal armed F4F with the icons off yet looking forward to it this evening. It really does put new strain on your SA and adds some more excitement. YMMV.
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Gambit and I joined in on the fun also :O The blue skin on the Wildcat definitely was an advantage. Very hard to tell flight paths, but fun all the same :salute
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Gambit and I joined in on the fun also :O The blue skin on the Wildcat definitely was an advantage. Very hard to tell flight paths, but fun all the same :salute
Its made up for by the a6m's usual #'s advantage and performance.
I loved the no icon's as well.
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Gambit and I joined in on the fun also :O The blue skin on the Wildcat definitely was an advantage. Very hard to tell flight paths, but fun all the same :salute
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Just got done flying with some guys in there, and I have to say, first few sorties reminded me of my first time trying to play MA Aces High! But after a few, I picked up on it quite well, and was landing kills :joystick: All in all, a fun thing!
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Its made up for by the a6m's usual #'s advantage and performance.
I disagree. For the few sorties I got to fly the Wildcat and I'd rather have it and it's firepower over the Zeke. Not to mention the toughness of the Grumman. I would have liked to flown the F4F more but the Allies had the numbers until thing evened out around 9:45 EST. I think it's a great matchup and turning the enemy icons off made it feel realistic and less gamey. One of the coolest parts of the night was I had my own Saburo Sakai moment. I dove on a F4F that was skimming the waves BC followed me down. The F4F made no evasive allowing me to get in good and close. Then bam I'm getting nailed by machine gun fire. My pigeon F4F turned out to be Gizmo in a TBM. That was very cool and wouldn't have happened with any other settings.
It wasn't hard to distinguish an F4F from a P-40 or SBD. I hope this continues in the AVA. Personally I believe the setups with a limited number of plane types will work well with these settings and be very interesting. I think friendly icons should remain on though to allow for six calls and mutual support. I don't know if no icons will work in he SEA, but I think it's a good thing for the AVA. YMMV
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I try the AvA today for about 4 1/2 hours and I like the idea of no enemy icons. I'm not much good at the flying but I did like it anyway :aok
Aka: Bison
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I try the AvA today for about 4 1/2 hours and I like the idea of no enemy icons. I'm not much good at the flying but I did like it anyway :aok
Aka: Bison
Bison you were holding your own very well early when there was just a few of us and you were at a disadvantage. Keep at it and you'll be as good as anybody.
It was good flying with you this evening.
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Now that was cool and a lot of fun...would be even more fun with better Zekes <hint> <hint>...or maybe some german and brit aircraft? :D
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Looks like a hit.
I only got to fly a little while, but had a blast.
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Now that was cool and a lot of fun...would be even more fun with better Zekes <hint> <hint>...or maybe some german and brit aircraft? :D
shouldve stayed a bit longer there gyrene hehehe.
it was a great night tonight! for fun, i lowered the friendly icons to 700yds so it made it that much more challenging. Every one had a great time and id like to personally thank all of you for both participating and for making comments on the boards.
Stay tuned, lots more to come.
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Was in tonight.
Thank you.
Very good time.Lots of action in spite of the arss whipping I got I had a blast . Good group of guys in there too. :aok
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Jaeger very nice job with the setup. Ive been flying the MA alot lately and it was awesome to have a little something different. I found myself looking back more than usual, bobing, and weaving out of sheer terror that I had overlooked one of those low flying almost invisable enemy aircraft.
In the turn fite I kept loosing my oponents and had to extend to regroup. Good times - you fellers that put your time into setting these things up keep up the good work. Much appreciated.
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Lots of fun tonight but Zeke Cannon ammo was a hinderance...considering on more than one occasion those wiley F4F's could get ya cuz if ya made a mistake you were dead! Great fun though and I agree with Gyrene. Need to get some different AC goin. New Arena starts when??? :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
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:noid I had my view ZOOMED in and peeking over the nose, most of the night. Forget about looking back, there was always some tracers coming over your shoulders. :joystick:
I also fell for the guns in the tailpipe trick (mistaking TBM for Wildcat) :O
I didn't set foot in the MA all day :aok :aok Jaeger
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Wow!
My 2 cents...
Not, Tora Tora Tora
But, Terror terror terror!
Looking back and only seeing tracers wiz past you is a different experience. It was hard to adjust initially.
On the deck, the F4Fs seem to be invisible from 1k out.
That meant that;
Large Boot + Redtail7 = He got his REAR kicked. :D
Fun times...
Glad to see so many in... :O (28) when I hoped in.
Thanks for your efforts Jaeger.
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trust me, you werent the only one that got his hiney polished!! i have no become very proficient at exploding and ending up in the tower! :D
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Looking forward to this a lot, just logged on but nobody in there at this non-peak hour, hopefully tonight.
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A squaddie and I noticed that all the zekes appear white from a distance and are VERY easy to see. But when they get close some turn green and almost disappear :O Does the skin selected in the hangar not show up until a certain distance or what? (not a complaint, just a question? :aok
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A squaddie and I noticed that all the zekes appear white from a distance and are VERY easy to see. But when they get close some turn green and almost disappear :O Does the skin selected in the hangar not show up until a certain distance or what? (not a complaint, just a question? :aok
actually thats correct, it doesn't show up until you're within a certain distance. atleast thats what i got from what i was reading. several people made comments about that, and i saw it too in the game.
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trust me, you werent the only one that got his hiney polished!! i have no become very proficient at exploding and ending up in the tower! :D
:lol
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Looking forward to this a lot, just logged on but nobody in there at this non-peak hour, hopefully tonight.
Trotter, we know!!! 358Daybreakers < brand new AvA squadron recruiting to address this issue. Folks like myself and Jimson, the founder, are looking for other like minded players in the US daytime / Euro prime time.
If you aren't currently in an AvA squad and would like to help us bring more daytime activity to the arena, please PM me or Jimson for an invite. AvA squadron membership does not affect your MA squad membership.
For more information check this out:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,284869.0.html
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Thanks for the great setup. It was loads of fun!
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Holy poop Dr Evil is back. Where's Memnon?
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Great setup!
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Had a BLAST last night in AvA!! Really great fights all night long. I really enjoyed the no icons. Not something I'd wanna see all the time, but it was a hoot.
:salute :salute :salute
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Homerun Jaeger. I have not had that much in the AvA in a long, long time :rock
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Jaeger had a blast tonight in AvA. First time flying in there and I must say it I was impressed. Most of all the fun of the icons being off was a A+, honestly thats how the MA should be - more realistic. Thanks :salute
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I think last night was the most fun I've had in the AvA since it started, hands down.
Good clean fights, lots of action, not much complaining, lots of salutes.
What has kept me out of the AvA for several years was a certain group of people telling other people how to fly, etc.
To me nothing is a bigger immersion killer.
I didn't see any of that at all. Personally I suck at no icons, and I'm rusty at arena flying.
But as long as the arena stays like this I'll keep coming back.
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I think last night was the most fun I've had in the AvA since it started, hands down.
Good clean fights, lots of action, not much complaining, lots of salutes.
What has kept me out of the AvA for several years was a certain group of people telling other people how to fly, etc.
To me nothing is a bigger immersion killer.
I didn't see any of that at all. Personally I suck at no icons, and I'm rusty at arena flying.
But as long as the arena stays like this I'll keep coming back.
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Yes it's been a blast. I've had great fights with JG-11, JG-54, Gunfighters, Daybreakers, Mongrels, and people from a few other squads. The new settings and new tone of the place has been a blast the last two days. Keep it up guys.
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I'd open my account again if there was a permanent no icon arena.
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Last night was by far one of the best nights in there, I've ever seen. the match-up was just about perfect. there was no excessive killing of one side going on. it was pretty awesome and i didnt see much in the way of complaints.
the fights are relatively clean, Ho'ing is at a minimum and its all about fun! We will try out the "No Enemy Icons" for awhile and see where it goes. I've also reduced friendly icons to about 1.8k so this will make it even more interesting.
Keep it up and let us know your thoughts In the AVA arena. we can tweak each setup as necessary!!
See you tonight in the Deadly skies over midway!
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Having the IJN carriers so close to Midway was a big factor in the fun last night. You knew you had to start your SA as soon as wheels up and a fight couldn't be far off. So long as the bases on the terrain are close together, this will be great, but I worry how it will play on most of our terrains, even if you enable flight at the V-bases.
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I don't think most terrains would be a big issue once we all get used to the settings...medium to small maps will most likely work best...people with smaller (15inch) screens may have a little issue seeing dots 4k to 6k out but, if you are used to what you see on whatever size screen you use, the settings won't affect you.
Has anyone else noticed how much easier it is in the other arenas with icons on after being in the AvA for a few hours these last couple of days?
I'd like to see a BoB setup using these settings...maybe 3 or 4 bases along the coast for both sides? Maybe an early Russian campaign setup?
Thanks again Jaeger...I'll be in the AvA every chance I get.
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LD sqdn will take a look tonight at the AvA
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What I really like about this whole deal is the fact it was tried at all. I have been asking for a "No Icon" setup for years and all I got was flack.
Now that is has been tried, some people are getting excited. Who knows, maybe we can have a "No Icon" or "Reality Arena" some day.
Herr Fork,
Mustafa and I are enjoying the setup this week. I was informed that only Buffs, Goons and Vehicles set the base to flashing, that is nice too!
I appreciate your flexibility at trying truly different radar settings.
Maybe someday we could try a "no-icon" setup to get a feel for what pilots really had to go through in WWII. Aircraft identification was a big factor in living or dying. If nothing else, just for a few hours or a day or so, just for ****z and giggles.
I tried to set a no icon setup in a Head to Head game but could not do it.
Keep up the good woik !
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Last night was by far one of the best nights in there, I've ever seen. the match-up was just about perfect. there was no excessive killing of one side going on. it was pretty awesome and i didnt see much in the way of complaints.
the fights are relatively clean, Ho'ing is at a minimum and its all about fun! We will try out the "No Enemy Icons" for awhile and see where it goes. I've also reduced friendly icons to about 1.8k so this will make it even more interesting.
Keep it up and let us know your thoughts In the AVA arena. we can tweak each setup as necessary!!
See you tonight in the Deadly skies over midway!
If you are interested in some realism in friendly icons settings years ago I painted a letter in white on a dark green background to match the dimensions of the tail identification on a B-17. The letter was an M or W depending on how it was held.
It was reliably identifiable from 1100 feet away. Further away got iffy. 1100 feet is easily rounded up to 400 yards and would be a reasonable friendly icon distance from a reality standpoint.
If you are interested......
I also did a bunch of other tests along these lines back when I was crazy.
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:rofl I went in there Sunday night not knowing enemy icons were off :O That was a short sortie :lol. I've been in there the last two nights and enjoyed it :aok, had to leave early last night for meeting with a student. By the way the blue wildcats are hard to track at close range on a small moniter, I lost one more then once last night. Never happens to me with billboards above them :lol
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BigRat
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Flew Zekes last night and Kittys tonight. Had a blast both nights :aok
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Just a proposed thouht, but I would be interested in what the response is. IMO the current AVA setup with no icons, has been a hit by AVA standards. Or at least by the standards that I have seen as far as player population in the AVA goes. Would the "no icons" warrant that this be the norm rather than the exception in the AVA from this point forward? Or is it to be considered a novelty that soon will lose it's intrigue and attraction? Personally, I think it is something that should be considered on a frequent basis. I do realize that the idea may only appeal to a small section of the player base, but it does lean strongly to a higher quality of fighting. I.E. SA, ACM, and the good 'ol buddy system. Just my two cents.
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right now its under discussion, but its probably not going away any time soon. its also up to the CM that has the setup for the week, but for right now, it will be here for awhile.
someone made the comment about making the MA's like this. that really wouldnt work. think about when you were new and you were trying to learn the game. when you're learning and someone comes up behind you and blasts you, it was very frustrating.
now imagine you dont even see the guy coming up behind you and blasting you. thats really going to discourage you from playing. no, i dont see it in the MA's.
but in here, as a enhancement to the AVA playing arena, i think its perfect. it makes the good guys better and the mediocre guys learn what teamwork and radio communications is all about.
its fun to have No Icons in the AVA and eventually people might get tired of this too. for right now its gonna stay and we can have fun with it. I'm curious to see if we get the same turnout with a new map and different planes.
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I am in total agreement with your assesment. I think it is the perfect storm for the AVA. IMO the icons in the MA are a necessity. Just in the mere fact that you are not tied to a particular country, such as IJN, Luftwaffe, USAAF, etc. There is not way to disect who the enemy is in the MA and would result in kill shooting yourself more times than not. However, if you take the use of the icons and plug it in for use in the AVA then you are faced with a situation(good or bad) where the icon becomes more of a crutch. It's kinda like being a PGA pro playing in a Pro AM with a guy that has a strokes handicap. It's intended to level the playing field. It's already been mentioned in these threads quite a bit that with icons off, your SA becomes even more crtical, having to take it into a fight with guns cold and holding guns cold longer to accuire positive ID on a bandit. The end result is what most of us this week in the AVA have come to realize......... that the immersion is much greater, the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat :rock. So a major Kudos on this one gents, you may have just hit one outta the park :salute