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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: kingcobradude on March 08, 2010, 08:56:26 PM
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how does a pilot recover from a perfectly horizontal flat spin?
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pray
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find the specific aircraft and google it. It differs depending on the planes center of mass, wing surface, average weight......etc.x infinity
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He recovers in the Hospital....or the tower.
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In general, chop throttle, push nose down, opposite rudder. I've never decided if any amount of flaps help
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if you're spinning flat you can try dropping the gear to help force the nose down. In some planes you may need to turn the engine off (throttling back to idle won't do it) and then drop gear. Once you get the nose down pull the gear back in and follow normal spin recovery.
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I find that hitting the ground is the most effective way for me to stop the flat spin :)
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In general, chop throttle, push nose down, opposite rudder. I've never decided if any amount of flaps help
Yup, strange that throttle just makes it worse. IMO no flaps because it forces air down directly under main wing, and resists a nose down recovery.
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Yup, strange that throttle just makes it worse. IMO no flaps because it forces air down directly under main wing, and resists a nose down recovery.
It is the throttle change than can make the desired effect. The plane is in force balance that keep it spinning and throttle change have several effects on all axis that may help to throw the plane out of its current state. The throttle may be the cause of the spin in the first place if the pilot applied too much torque close to the stall. Full power stalls are dangerous.
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cut engine, couter rudder, jam stick into turn, pray, rudder streight, stick center, engine on, flaps down, stick up, pray
gear down only gets the gears ripped off in my experience.
needs about 5k alt or more. . .so usually its kiss your bellybutton goodby time.
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I find that hitting the ground is the most effective way for me to stop the flat spin :)
ROFL! :rofl
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fly planes that dont flat spin easy :bolt:
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I find that hitting the ground is the most effective way for me to stop the flat spin :)
That's the technique I use. It works every time. :aok
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"I'm ok! The ground broke my fall"
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yeah thats the only effective method ive found. A regular spin I can recover from OK, but it is frustrating when youve hat the shot of a ifetime down the drain because of it
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I hate when you depart from flight in a TA-152 and wind up in a tail-low flat spin. I have never found a way to recover even from high alts above 20K. The closest I have come is winding up inverted and still in the spin, lol. What a way to blow great alt advantage. :joystick:
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yeah my pony always tries to spin, but I can recover. when a p38 does it, different story
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Yeah dirt helps that you can get alot of it for cheap you should pick some up sometime :aok :rofl
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try it in a DR1 lol its a 30mph fall somehow I got out of it at 75ft AGL lol
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yeah my pony always tries to spin, but I can recover. when a p38 does it, different story
If you get a P-38 into a spin, you screwed up big time. If you can't recover a P-38 from a spin, you should seek the help of a trainer.
ack-ack
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RV-8 and Spitfire I have horrible flat and/or inverted spins.
I often find (especially in the Spitfire XVI) that 'rocking' your throttle between 0 an 100% helps you get your nose down more quickly after a stall.
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If you get a P-38 into a spin, you screwed up big time. If you can't recover a P-38 from a spin, you should seek the help of a trainer.
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it was perfectly horizontal, I put my controls everywhere i could, everything was working as intended until I spun out
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it was perfectly horizontal, I put my controls everywhere i could, everything was working as intended until I spun out
You screwed up, that's why you got into a spin. It's basically the only way you can spin a P-38, it doesn't depart naturally very easily and you really have to work at it to cause it to do so.
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You screwed up, that's why you got into a spin. It's basically the only way you can spin a P-38, it doesn't depart naturally very easily and you really have to work at it to cause it to do so.
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howd i screw up? i just banked right and it spun left
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howd i screw up? i just banked right and it spun left
You're in a P-38, made a bank to the right and got tossed into a spin to the left? Where you flying with one engine and got into an accelerated stall? Did you enter into an asymetrical power induced spin? Honestly, from your description of "banked to the right and spun left" is a clear indicator that you screwed up big time. In all the thousands of sorties and hours flying the P-38, I have never, never gotten into a spin like you describe. Hell, I wouldn't even know how to get into a spin by simply banking right unless I cut off the port engine (#1 left engine) and pulled really hard on the stick while banking right and try and get the wing with the dead engine to lose lift and throw me into a spin. Even then, I'd really have to work hard at getting the P-38 to spin.
As you can see, it is very hard to get the P-38 into a spin unless one is very careless and allows themselves to get into a situation where a spin is possible. The Lightning is probably one of the most gentle, forgiving planes to fly in AH. You really, really, really have to twittle up to get it to do what you claimed it did.
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You're in a P-38, made a bank to the right and got tossed into a spin to the left? Where you flying with one engine and got into an accelerated stall? Did you enter into an asymetrical power induced spin? Honestly, from your description of "banked to the right and spun left" is a clear indicator that you screwed up big time. In all the thousands of sorties and hours flying the P-38, I have never, never gotten into a spin like you describe. Hell, I wouldn't even know how to get into a spin by simply banking right unless I cut off the port engine (#1 left engine) and pulled really hard on the stick while banking right and try and get the wing with the dead engine to lose lift and throw me into a spin. Even then, I'd really have to work hard at getting the P-38 to spin.
As you can see, it is very hard to get the P-38 into a spin unless one is very careless and allows themselves to get into a situation where a spin is possible. The Lightning is probably one of the most gentle, forgiving planes to fly in AH. You really, really, really have to twittle up to get it to do what you claimed it did.
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both engines full power, no screw up of any kind. maybe a glitch, but i aint worried about what got me into the spin, I jut want to recover
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Spin recovery is marvelously easy, chop power to outboard (in relation to spin) engine.
Strip
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110 is the only one I have trouble with spinning once in a while. If I have alt, I can recover. It usually happens when I do one of those near stall desperation, tail flip turns, when the stall horn is going crazy. If you don't spin, you usually clear your 6. :banana:
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In most aircraft, kill the engine(s). Throttling back is often insufficient. Shut it off, get the nose down and restart. If you lack the altitude to do that... C'est la vie.
My regards,
Widewing
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In general, chop throttle, push nose down, opposite rudder. I've never decided if any amount of flaps help
In the 51: full throttle, roll to the left, flaps will just help it begin to fly again a bit sooner. The throttle is especially useful for an inverted flat spin, it will help flip the plane over.
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both engines full power, no screw up of any kind. maybe a glitch, but i aint worried about what got me into the spin, I jut want to recover
If you spun the plane to the left while at full power making a simple banking turn to the right, you screwed up. Period, end of story. The only glitch you encountered in the flight was one of your own making, it's that simple.
The best spin recovery technique is not to get into a spin in the first place. You should be worried why you got into such a dramatic spin while doing a basic flight maneuver (banking to the right), otherwise you'll just keep screwing the pooch and getting into spins you can't recover from.
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Ack-Ack,
We get it, P-38's wont spin if flown properly, get off of it already....
There is not an unrecoverable spin in the P-38 given enough altitude either.
Strip
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If you spun the plane to the left while at full power making a simple banking turn to the right, you screwed up. Period, end of story. The only glitch you encountered in the flight was one of your own making, it's that simple.
Sounds like he had an accelerated stall with the ailerons deflected. The rising wing (left in this case) will stall but the lowered one (right) will not. In a plane with long wingspan relative to body length this means a very strong sudden yaw to the left. Perhaps in the right conditions and certain stick responses it can lead to a spin. It could be due to anything from flaps retracting, spiking stick or, yes, pilot error.
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To quote Dwane Cole," Let go of everything and wait till it does something you recognize."
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Sounds like he had an accelerated stall with the ailerons deflected. The rising wing (left in this case) will stall but the lowered one (right) will not. In a plane with long wingspan relative to body length this means a very strong sudden yaw to the left. Perhaps in the right conditions and certain stick responses it can lead to a spin. It could be due to anything from flaps retracting, spiking stick or, yes, pilot error.
It's exactly what happened to him. He's too ham fisted and as soon as he tries to turn, he pulls hard full back on the stick and gets into an accelerated stall. When I was dueling him earlier, I told him to listen to the stall buzzer and explained how it worked. He had know idea what it was for, thought it was a horn that told you when your plane was close to falling apart from stress.
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It's exactly what happened to him. He's too ham fisted and as soon as he tries to turn, he pulls hard full back on the stick and gets into an accelerated stall. When I was dueling him earlier, I told him to listen to the stall buzzer and explained how it worked. He had know idea what it was for, thought it was a horn that told you when your plane was close to falling apart from stress.
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ACK ACK!!! WE GET IT!!!!! I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW TO RECOVER FROM A PERFECTLY HORIZONTAL FLAT SPIN!!
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I think what AK-AK is trying to say, is that you cant recover from a spin you cant get into.
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ACK ACK!!! WE GET IT!!!!! I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW TO RECOVER FROM A PERFECTLY HORIZONTAL FLAT SPIN!!
Don't be so ham fisted on the controls and listen to the stall buzzer, the louder it gets the closer to the stall you are. The best spin recovery is knowing how not to get into that situation.
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