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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: StSanta on September 29, 2000, 02:29:00 AM
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Well, a bit of a rethorical question, but with some seriousness to it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
With alt; no problem. B&Z til yer almost equal e, then disengange.
Co alt: merge, try to get nose to nose situation, avoid HO, run like hell, unless yer very low; then you can try to outclimb the P-51. Don't count on this to be a saving maneuver though. When 51 catches you, outscissor him, go nose to nose, run like hell. Repeat til dead or close to friendlies.
Alt disadvantage: Go for HO, then run.
The A5 has very little working for it against the P-51 - it has a higher roll rate at medium speeds, and a higher initial turn rate, dunno about acceleration, and climbs a bit better at low altitudes. The P-51 is considerably faster, has better high speed handling, and with flaps deployed, it outturns the A5; push the A5 and its wicked stall speeds characteristics will roll ya over towards the deck. Not sure about medium speed turn performance.
Reversing on a 51 is very difficult - you might produce a great scissors, but the 51 will either just leave you in the dust, or pop some flaps and spiral dive turn and will lose you. No go there.
With the N1K, that one can do a 180 turn and catch ya on the zoom, so make sure you hae a considerable amount of speed more before you try it. It'll easily outtrun you, and it'll defeat any snapshots by a hard break with relatively little e loss. Follow that turn for a snapshot for too long, and his 180 turn will leave him with enough e to catch you.
Situations against 4UC's are similar to the 51's - except the tsjhokk can defeat you in a turn fight much more easily.
Basically, these three planes are difficult to fight if you're in a 190. For me, the key has been teamwork and RW coordination (was fun yesterday kirin, those N1K's and 51's just kept coming (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)).
Of course, I won't reveal my secret fighting tactics against these planes (even if I had such (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)), but, I'd welcome input. Bot from 190 drivers but also from others more familiar with the weaknesses of allied planes. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
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Big Blue keeeeels all LW weebles!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I'm no expert in flying either of the 190's, but I find your experiences to be similar to mine StSanta. If co-alt with any of them, or lower, try my best to minimize separation at the merge but yet avoid the HO if they take it (and about 90% will). I try to lead zoom (is that the correct term?) and get them in front of my wingline quickly as they go past me. From there, I see what the con does. For the most part, this only works sometimes on B&Z aircraft. Nikis will just pull hard and force a merge when I'm still accelerating from the first merge. If that occurs, I just forget about it and try to run. Usually doesn't work. I don't think the 190 was really meant to fight that way against opponents like those, but when some of the better pilots remark that they can dogfight in the 190's, I'm in awe and would love to see films.
mauser
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Originally posted by Torque:
Big Blue keeeeels all LW weebles!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
No no, it goes like this:
"Big HTC keeeeels all LW weebles!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)"
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Fishu, you rock (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Boy, I sure hope you guys get your Fw190D-9 with MW50 soon.
This whole gripe line is getting REALLY old.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Karnak, heh.
But seriously, have you gfound something else than me in 190 vs 51/N1k/f4U-C?
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
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Just do what the real 190's did against Mustangs. Bail out as soon as they start firing, or go down in flames. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Seriously, your best hope against a 51 is to make it a vertical fight. You have a better thrust to weight ratio, so use it. A looping battle is better for you than a flat turning battle.
Against a N1K2 you have a significant speed advantage unless you are on the deck in an A-5. It's not much but it's usable.
F4U is the hardest matchup, because everything the 190 can do, the F4U can do better. 190 climbs better is all. Against F4U you need an altitude advantage, or you need the F4U to make a mistake. Prayer wouldn't hurt. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-29-2000).]
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Go vertical. A pony will die in the vertical unless it has a lot of E.
A tactic i've found usefull in the 190 now is to "baffle" the other guy using the 190's roll rate.
Im not sure how to explain it... the main idea is to keep the 190 below the pony's nose (below gunsight) using is roll rate to bank the plane and pull up on the stick. At some point the pony will lose sight of 190 (since 190 are constantly banking and pulling up on the stick.. and hopefully the pony wont be able to roll with you, thus 190 can actually be turning right when the pony is still rolling to the left when it tried to follow the 190's roll to the left..and he wont see that because the 190 is below the nose) and will not be able to know where the 190 is.. thats when it will either pull up or fly level for a while.. that's the 190 has the chance of either escaping or getting on the pony's 6.
I'll try to get a film of it.
[This message has been edited by Tac (edited 09-29-2000).]
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i em a 190 dweb , pony not scare me at all only the problem he can run i cant run
vertical scisor is well against ponys but any other lop or turn is nonsens for 190, roll and scisor vertical horizontal if owershot u folow but be ready for another scisors the only way i thing
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Against niks I use the 190s superior dive and high speed control superiority to win, if the pilot is stupid enough to follow me into one.
P51s usually run after I get the advantage on them using skill, so i cant realy comment on that.
F4Us just plain cant climb... after the merge you can easily rope them.
this is a nice film I took 2 days ago, note that I have 4x 20mm if I had only 2 they would prolly both be dead.
Overall, I use the A8s dive, zoom, and reverse capability to win, and my skill. ;p
http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/2vs1a8f4.ahf (http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/2vs1a8f4.ahf)
Oh, and I never run from a fight, you don't learn from running.
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Stab/Jagdgeschwader 77
"Herzas"
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 09-29-2000).]
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 09-29-2000).]
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StSanta,
I was being honest. I really do hope you guys get the Fw190D-9 with MW50 soon and I really am tired of hearing this complaint line. I'll try the Fw190D-9 when it shows up, but I won't fly it much. Fw's just aren't my cup of tea, if I'm going to grab a German kite the 109 suits me better.
As for your question, no I don't have any suggestions for you. I don't fly the Fw190, P-51D or F4U-1C and only occasionally fly the N1K2. The only time that I've met an Fw190 when I was flying the N1K2, you were the guy that got me (there were two 190s, yours and another guy, don't know who but I blew half of his wing off, thought he was a goner and turned to avoid becoming a snack for whoever was coming up behind me, but I never got a kill for him and I didn't see him in that fight again).
Yes, the N1K2 is VERY good, especially down low where most of the fighting seems to happen now. Down there amid all of the oxogen the 80 octane fuel isn't much of a disadvantage and its engine is churning out nearly 2000hp. Get it up into thin air though and it gasps for breath. Above 10K it falls off fast, above 20k it wallows like a pig.
I think 1.04 was VERY good to the N1K2 for two different reasons:
A) Energy bleeding off too fast was fixed. This was more of a boon to aircraft like the N1K2 that live and die by the turn than it was to aircraft like the Bf109G-10 which live and die on the Boom and Zoom.
B) The Icon range was reduced. This had the effect of bringing the fights down lower where the N1K2 has plenty of oxogen to drink and thus is VERY competitive in speed and climb, let alone turning.
The Fw190D-9 won't affect point A, but it will help quite a bit with point B, N1K2 does 345 on the deck and Fw190D-9 with MW50 does 380.
Good luck on getting your equalizer.
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 09-29-2000).]
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Nah, I'd rather not have the D9 actually... it will bring more 'non-hardcore LW' to it. Similar to what happened with the A5. ;p
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Stab/Jagdgeschwader 77
"Herzas"
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 09-29-2000).]
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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Nah, I'd rather not have the D9 actually... it will bring more 'non-hardcore LW' to it
Nath-BDP, you are one elitist bastard, aren't you? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
<shaking head and sighing>
Sisu
-Karnak
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if i see a lot of chogs up i launch in an N1k2 and kill them all even if they are 10k above me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
the n1k2 is damned uber but I have no sympathy for chog dweebs who were ex 190a5 dweebs flying the latest greatest dweeb wagon
in fact I actively look for chogs when in an N1k2 and I always find a lot of them
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Originally posted by Citabria:
if i see a lot of chogs up i launch in an N1k2 and kill them all even if they are 10k above me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
the n1k2 is damned uber but I have no sympathy for chog dweebs who were ex 190a5 dweebs flying the latest greatest dweeb wagon
in fact I actively look for chogs when in an N1k2 and I always find a lot of them
I like more of Spit Mk.V, more stylish and unexpected killer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
*waves at HT's F4u's*
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Yeah Baby Big Blue rocks. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Handle in MA Fishu?
Cit 5 more days I'll be home meet you in the TA. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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!90A-5s shouldn't mess with N1k2's unless they have an energy advantage.
But against the Hog or the Stang the 190A5 wins so long as he has about the same fuel load and only lugs 2 cannons. When you engage a Hog or Stang or Jug or P-38 1 v 1, you are rolling the dice: If he is carrying a larger % of full internal fuel than you, you win. If he's carrying significantly less, you lose.
The A5 is also a pretty good stall fighter with flaps down and low fuel.
The 190A8... well, I don't know, stick to vulching and running.
ra
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If you want to find Fishu's handle, just go in the MA and type an appropriate troll on Ch. 1.
When Juuti responds you will know who Fishu is. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-29-2000).]
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Oh I saw that handle more than 2 weeks ago Funk? is it still valid. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Torque,
Indications are that he is paying now. Juuti should still be correct.
Sisu
-Karnak
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But it is not correct (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Karnak:
But I was not complaining. I asked a question regarding how to fight these mofo's.
Ok go vertical for the 51's. Pray he doesn't get a snapshot as you do. Hope he doesn't simply continue straight ahead and slowly zooms for another run. If so, you won't be able to reverse, but merely put off his attack.
N1K's - nath's advice is pretty much what I am doing now, but it doesn't help me to reverse - it helps me to run. I find myself in situations where this is not an option either. Guess I am just SOL then.
tjshokk's: heh gotta agree there.
Thanks for all responses people (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
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Just throw those PTO planes to PTO arena and let ETO planes have their own.
They don't mix up together.
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Juuti isn't correct? So tell us your handle for the next 2 weeks. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Torque:
Juuti isn't correct? So tell us your handle for the next 2 weeks. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I do have a paid account (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So I really don't have reason to use 2 weeks abuse (and in the past I've been busy with my WW2 mod projects and rogue spear playing)
..not to forget oh so great naval battles IV
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WTG Fishu! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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LOL u believe him Funk. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)<cough>
So Fishu what is it?
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Santa... if a nik follows you into a dive in a8 you can gain angles on him easily past 400 tas or even 370(using reversals), his high-speed manouverability isnt as good as yours.
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Stab/Jagdgeschwader 77
"Herzas"
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 09-30-2000).]
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Originally posted by Torque:
LOL u believe him Funk. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)<cough>
So Fishu what is it?
http://nlm.cjb.net (http://nlm.cjb.net) / http://pub16.ezboard.com/fnlmworldwar2modnewsannouncementsinformation (http://pub16.ezboard.com/fnlmworldwar2modnewsannouncementsinformation)
That takes some time from playing other game, definetly if it isn't the only that should be done.
Torque, I believe that Funked knows better than you, because hes been using WW2 mod a bit more than you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(at least he was up for writing in the message board..)
** okey, back to the topic thank you **
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 09-30-2000).]
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So why beat around the bush Fishu cough up your handle for the next 2 weeks also give us Histro handle. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Lacky, cause we all know you both abuse the 2 week trail period yet whine and moan the most on the board.
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Originally posted by Torque:
Lacky, cause we all know you both abuse the 2 week trail period yet whine and moan the most on the board.
Torque, one of two:
1-you aport SERIOUS proof of what you say.
2-You shut the F"·$ up.
I dont know about fishu, but Hristo for sure is not online lately. I wish he was, but he isnt.
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No you shut the diddly up Ram and let Fishu talk for himself!!!!!!!!!
Ram i remember you posted something refering to another person abusing the 2 week trail asking HTC to do something aboot him, what's so different here. Fishu stated awhile ago he had no paying account yet talked aboot P47 performance in MA?. Histro and I got into a donut contest on who has killed whom more, i disputed his stats then he threw 4-5 diff handles at me.
Don't pay don't whine.
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 09-30-2000).]
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You MUST proof things before accusing people.
If you have proof, show it.
If you don't,shut up.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-30-2000).]
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TY nath, will try.
Unless I fly the G10, after ya convinced me to give it another go (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Torque,
Fishu has said that he now has a paying account. I've seen him say this in two different posts now. For some reason he won't say what his ID is, but that is really up to him.
Until I see proof that he is not paying, I'll take him at his word.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Originally posted by Torque:
No you shut the diddly up Ram and let Fishu talk for himself!!!!!!!!!
Ram i remember you posted something refering to another person abusing the 2 week trail asking HTC to do something aboot him, what's so different here. Fishu stated awhile ago he had no paying account yet talked aboot P47 performance in MA?. Histro and I got into a donut contest on who has killed whom more, i disputed his stats then he threw 4-5 diff handles at me.
Don't pay don't whine.
During 1.03, I had used 2 weeks and after 1.04 I did what I said I was going to do, pay.
I did quit playing of AH for long time in online enviroment couple days before open beta ended, because I felt AH too boring after alot of playing in open beta.
So, I wen't after other games, one of them was Rogue Spear, which for I began making WW2 mod in april. (and while that I've tried to learn use of 3D Studio Max as well)
Thats been cutting my playing times a bit.
Now, can we go along with the topic please?
If you don't believe this Torque, keep it to yourself or outside of this topic.
If I don't tell my ID, it's my business.
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Yeah , Rogue Spear still like the smurf mod where all the players are smurfs.
but rogue got too easy when you can go out and kill 10 guys with just a 9mm pistol and some c4 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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01-24-2000 beta ends
01-29-2000
Seems you weren't awarded your maneuver kills, thought you quit a few days before open beta closed. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum6/HTML/000505.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum6/HTML/000505.html)
03-15-2000
Here u had a disco problem in ver 1.01 patch 3 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum6/HTML/000652.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum6/HTML/000652.html)
06-25-2000
Reports on bug with P47
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum6/HTML/001109.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum6/HTML/001109.html)
07-14-2000
Post aboot A1 respawns http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum6/HTML/001236.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum6/HTML/001236.html)
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 10-01-2000).]
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er.. anyone able to view Nath's film? I just downloaded it and it loads. But when running, I just stay in the tower with the progress indicator running. Thanks anyway Nath, I've always been curious how you fight in an A8 (but knowing that you probably wouldn't want to divulge all your secrets also).
mauser
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Originally posted by Torque:
01-24-2000 beta ends
01-29-2000
Seems you weren't awarded your maneuver kills, thought you quit a few days before open beta closed. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum6/HTML/000505.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum6/HTML/000505.html)
03-15-2000
Here u had a disco problem in ver 1.01 patch 3 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum6/HTML/000652.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum6/HTML/000652.html)
01-29... then I did notice that one of beta time accounts were still up, even though I thought those would be erased.
I only played for couple hours, then got fed up.
03-15 - Is it illegal to play with friend (his account) while visiting at his house?
06-25 - Do I have to be online to test this? (http://smilecwm.tripod.com/cwm/eek5.gif)
geez.. didn't know that, but somehow I really did that off-line when testing P-47.
07-14 - that should be time of 1.03, which is explained.
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Sure (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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poor Torque (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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"Herzas"
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 10-01-2000).]
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you tried so hard :P
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"Herzas"
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 10-01-2000).]
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I don't think any other plane is as effective in pairs as the 190A series, but I assume you mean 1v1 . Vs the p51 all that fw has on it's side is instantaneous turn rate and acceleration . Vs shiden or corsair... well only place your going to see that contest is in the pork arena .
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That would make Fishu the first Finn I have ever met that felt he had to hide his identity to save his fragile ego.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The absolute FIRST.
Wonder if he's really a Finn? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I dont fly the 190 much, but i have from time to time flown the 190A5 for base defense, it rocks for that.
Against P51s, i have found that the acceleration of the 190 and the roll-rate are the best things to use. 190 A5 accels way better than P51. I find if you can lul the stang into a deck knife fight your acceleration will pay off hugely. No stang pilot worth a pich of salt should get into a knife fight with anything, but those that do against a 190A5 pay the price. The 190 greatest strength is the time you can use WEP, compared to the stang its about 5 times
as long.
A good stang pilot will BnZ ya, if you can avoid his 2 or 3 of their passes they will have lost the E advantage and you end up with them widthdrawing or a knife fight (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) If they widthdraw be carefull cause they'll run ya down when you turn ya back (heh - i know, i do...) if you dont have backup or support of some kind. Dont chase a mustang without backup, its bad form and will get you killed.
Another thing, im sure you use this one, but the slice-back is a magic move for a reversal - never fails (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Then again the mustang is a tricky fish to catch if the pilot has any good length of time behind the stick.
As for Chogs, set them up for a front quarter attack on you (cause you know they will HO), and break turn into them at d 1.2. The break turn should show them enuf of your rear quarter very breifly on the merge to lul them to turn hard after it, then if they do they as good as dead.
I guess just avoid the HO onslaught and wait for them to slip up - most pilots who HO also slip up lots too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As for the uber nik, if ya aint got a good E advantage then you cant out-run, out-climb, out dive, out-turn it. time to prey. Stay very fast and try to outmanuever them. or hope they slip up.
Spat.
[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 10-02-2000).]
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Originally posted by Torque:
So why beat around the bush Fishu cough up your handle for the next 2 weeks also give us Histro handle. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Lacky, cause we all know you both abuse the 2 week trail period yet whine and moan the most on the board.
Puke, I have never abused 2 weeks trial. Not even when I changed handles. Ask HTC if you don't believe.
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Heya Spatula
Well, the thing is that if I have a higher P-51, or a pair, and we're in two lower 190's, we're basically SOL. Me and VoX ran into Ice and Beemer; they came in at ultra high (we were at 19k) and trying to climb at that alt in the 190 is kinda futile.
I'd lure 'um down, evade their pass, and start to climb back on. They made 3-4 passes, and we didn't gain any altitude on them. So, I said "fek this", told my wingie to disengage and rtb, since they stayed high and we were fightinng in a no-win situation.
One 51 (Ice) follows me down to the deck, some cool maneuvers and he misses me; with me heading straight for home and him the opposite direction after the break.
Now, I've managed to reverse on P-51's before. What they've done is gone into a spiralling dive turn, popped flaps and outturned me. Or, gone into very high speed and outrolled/outcontrolled me.
I am not sure what you mean when you say "slice back"? Pretty sure I a doing it, but not familiar with this term.
Another question; I merge with tjshokks as you say; tempting them to turn a bit. But, after the merge my options are still limited, because they'll just complete the turn, end up d1.8 my 6 with approximately the same speed.
N1K's. Well. Kill 'um if I have alt, disenagage if I don't.
Someone mentioned that the 190s were the most effective "pair" hunters. I don't attrbute this to the plane, but rather that most 190 drivers in squads have flown together for a while. Drivers like Kirin and Maik know what their wingie is gonna do next, and communicate mucho over RW. Ou radio discipline is a mess (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Was a fun fight with Ice and Beemer, even if it was a bit frustrating to see them zoom up into safety, knowing that if ya zoom with them, the higher one would swoop down and shoot ya outta the sky (almost happened once (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)).
Thanks for advice
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Originally posted by Toad:
That would make Fishu the first Finn I have ever met that felt he had to hide his identity to save his fragile ego.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The absolute FIRST.
Wonder if he's really a Finn? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
With guys like Torque around, I don't mind that everyone knows who I am (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Torque is good example of that how far fanatic they're being for getting some bad stuff of me.
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In 190 you must fight C-Hog in dirty way.
The other guy already fights dirty since he chose C-og to fly.
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ok and now please post how you fight all of the above with D -Hogs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
DW6
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Heya Spatula
So, I said "fek this", told my wingie to disengage and rtb, since they stayed high and we were fightinng in a no-win situation.
That's ya 1st mistake (i do it all the time cause i lone wolfer from way back). Never leave ya wingman.
Now, I've managed to reverse on P-51's before. What they've done is gone into a spiralling dive turn, popped flaps and outturned me. Or, gone into very high speed and outrolled/outcontrolled me.
I would avoid getting into a high-speed maneuver contest with 'em, cause ya know they'll win. If they pop flaps and spiral dive then they gotta be throwing E away like mad. If ya have a shred of speed start a moderate climb, then you should have the E. They may disengage at that point, but ya still alive.
I am not sure what you mean when you say "slice back"? Pretty sure I a doing it, but not familiar with this term.
Hope thats the right term, its kinda a like an upside-down chandelle reversal. Supposedly, and dont quote me on this, it was used to good effect in RL by 190 pilots.
Another question; I merge with tjshokks as you say; tempting them to turn a bit. But, after the merge my options are still limited, because they'll just complete the turn, end up d1.8 my 6 with approximately the same speed.
What ya aiming for is for you to be real fast and turn just enuf (low G) to avoid the HO and to tempt them to turn hard. The aim is you keep ya speed, they loose theirs and you extend a bit then chandelle reverse, use the 190s accel to get back to speed and repeat, if done right - and they buy into you game, you should come out on top in the E stakes quite quickly.
Well thats how i try to do it, i got a film of a combination of the above - me in 190 nme in mustang. I'll send it if ya want.
Spat.
[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 10-03-2000).]
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Originally posted by Toad:
That would make Fishu the first Finn I have ever met that felt he had to hide his identity to save his fragile ego.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The absolute FIRST.
ROFL, are we that bad? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Camo
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[This message has been edited by LLv34_Camouflage (edited 10-03-2000).]