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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: F4UDOA on October 03, 2000, 11:03:00 AM
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Pyro,
In light of all of the early war scenario's as well as the need for a pure fighter version of the F4U-1 for use off of carriers I think it would be a great addition to the early/Mid war plane set. All that would be needed would be a new paint job on the -1C and 6 50cals. Would be right on time arriving with the F6F-5 and TBM.
What do you say?
(http://www.vought.com/photos/images/0686_21.jpg)
Thanks
F4UDOA
WARNING: This is not a C-HOG thread. Anybody trying to make this another C-HOG thread will be taken outside and beaten.
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this paint job is nice, I like it too (and if I recall, Cita already posted a request for this camo).
Talking about paint job, I would love a late war camo of the 56th on my beauty the P74 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
talking about camo, I take this opportunity to salute HTC for making planes more and more realistics at each version, the worn out paint of those TBM and F6 looks great. I believe it's an impressive improvement comparing with the P51 camo for example.
I would personaly like that HTC selects a couple of pictures before introducing a new plane and let the whole comunauty to vote for the camo who will be made for AH final version (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I'm sure the comunauty would appreciate the 'freedom' offered by the HTC staff.
Anyone knows if HTC plans to do several 'additional camo' for the planes we have, so we can select an 'alternative' to the paint job we already have, I think it would be nice too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
...I know, I'm a dreamer... but dreaming is still leagal in this country, isn't it?... and it arms nobody. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Acutally
If an early war corsair is to be added, how about a birdcage FG-1 (fixed wing Marine corps version), with an option for a weapons set of 4x.50s. An F4U-1a is the same as the 1c except for the armament. But the FG-1 would have noticeably different performance (because it is significantly lighter), and more variety is always a good idea IMO.
Hooligan
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Hooligan,
I don't think there was a 4 50cal version of the F4U? Except maybe the XF4U which had 4 50's and 2 30Cals. It would however be somewhat lighter that the -1C. How much I am not sure because of the lack of data on the
-1C. I would also like to see the P-51B or even the A-36 Apache. Definitly in the Bud Anderson "Old Crow" markings or Chuck Yeagers "Glamorious Glennis".
And Oh yeah. Please give the Luftwabbles their beloved FW190D-9. The wining is killing me.
Thanks
F4UDOA
[This message has been edited by F4UDOA (edited 10-03-2000).]
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How about this for a tri-coloured Corsair?
(http://www.vought.com/photos/images/1057_06.jpg)
Maybe just another couple of blue ones...
(http://www.vought.com/photos/images/0429_031.jpg)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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As far as I know no production model F4Us were manufactured with 4x.50s. However I have read that Marine units sometimes removed 2x.50s as a field mod.
At least some of the FG-1s were manufactured as fixed-wing aircraft without arresting hooks and other carrier gear and used by land based Marine units. We know from Mr. Dean that the folding wings of the F4F-4 weighed about 300lbs more than the fixed wings of the F4F-3. Given the larger size of the corsair, the weight savings from fixed wings and no carrier gear probably exceeds 500lbs. Add the weight savings of removing 2 .50s and 750 rounds of ammunition (about 400 lbs) and I think you end up with a corsair that displays noticeably different handling than its later porkier brethren. Besides it has that cool 3 color paint scheme and birdcage canopy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
The 2 corsair mods which are the most different from the corsairs we have now are the fixed wing FG-1 and the F4U-4. These differences are what would make these aircraft interesting additions. The FG-1 would make a nice plane for the existing arena.
The F4U-4 should be added and perked along with the Dora, 109K, P-47M and Spit XIV.
The early mustangs you mention would make nice additions too of couse (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Hooligan
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And Pongo could get his belly window with the FG-1.
Hooligan
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Planeset is already greatly distorted in the direction of USAAF and USN. Please HTC divert your efforts elsewhere for the next year or so...
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Funked,
Yo dude, I thought we cool. You stole my Mojo?
Anyway like I said. This would almost be a like tweaking the FM of the 1C more than making a new bird. Right now in the MA there is nothing between flying the F4U-1D and flying like a pig on ice or flying the -1C and having to put up with dweeb calls from the Luftwabbles. The -1A gives us the FM to be competitive and the guns to tell "pork" police to shove it. Not to mention being a nice addition to the early war plane set.
I too want to see more Japanese, Russian and British designs. I could fill this buffer with birds I want to see in AH. However it is starting to take away from the enjoyment of the game having to endure the crying in the MA and on the boards.
Thanks
F4UDOA
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Heck, F4U, I been thinking about flying the C just to hear them whine a little more!
Haven't been in it in a long time...might be fun!
Besides, they will whine anyway. Just wait, they'll get the 262 unperked and find a way to whine just the same! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Toad,
You right, I shouldn't care. Funny thing is that I'm a better gunner with the 50Cals than I am with the 20Mils. Rate of fire is much hire and the ammo load is unreal. I practice with the drones offline and I can kill much more effectively for longer with the 50Cals. But the FM of the 1C is just to much better to give up. I can get allot more out of the virtical as well as the flat turning with it. I can only stay out of furballs for about to passes before I give in and start chasing. That's death in a -1D.
I think the difference between guy's that fly mostly American Iron and the Luftwabbles is that we want all A/C modeled and not perked as long as the FM's are correct. Bring on the ME-262 and the Dora. I can't wait to see them.
Later
F4UDOA
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I'm not trying to start a plane-bashing session. I just know that we are missing a lot of planes needed to run scenarios and realistic battles.
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What are you talking about? I see nothing wrong with using Typhoons as Beaufighter substitutes, considering how their deck speeds are so similar and all....
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I wanna see a P-47D in proper colors, not this all white with blue nose. Not to mention proper invasion stripes! The P-51D's paint job really stinks, blue nose again plus it's all white. Throw on a proper cammo job complete with invasion stripes.
Oh, and if our Fw-190-D9 has purple paint ala WBs I'm gonna shoot someone (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
"My art is the wings of an aircraft through the skies, my music the deep hum of a prop as it slices the air, my thrill the thunder of guns tearing asunder an enemy plane."
Flakbait
19 September 2000
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Hey, it would be nice to see "Lulu Belle" <spelling?> someday, Pappy Boyington's -1A. I grew up watching "Blacksheep Squadron" with Robert Conrad and those f4u-4's they were using. Before getting into AH and 190's, I loved the -1D and -1A. Heck I would fly Corsairs in a heartbeat in a Pacific Scenario. But my flight times and schedule pretty much keeps me out of the SEA (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
mauser
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flakbait;
There are no plans to change the paint scheme, but adding invasion stripes could be done.
To answer the original question, the paint scheme is from the 397th FS, nicknamed "Jabo Angels", of the 368th FG, 9th AF. The 368th FG flew their first mission on March 14, 1944. They were the first group to land on Normandy on June 13, and the first group to be stationed on the continent on Jun 19, 1944.
In the 14 months that the 368th operated, they flew over 1400 missions totalling almost 17,500 sorties and over 45,000 combat hours. They fired over 4.5 million rounds of ammunition and dropped almost 11 million pounds of ordnance. They were credited for 120 air victories, 20 probables, and 59 damaged plus a further 98 ground victories, 15 probables, and 125 damaged. They accounted for 1101 armored vehicles, 10,801 trucks, 913 locomotives, 7477 freight cars, 79 bridges, 1040 factories or buildings, 246 gun positions, 96 supply dumps, and 146 vessels destroyed or damaged. They attacked 50 airfields, 260 railway yards, and made 475 rail cuts. They did this all with combat losses of only 69 P-47s plus an additional 31 damaged beyond repair.
There may not have been a lot of glamour in the job they had to do, but they kicked ass.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/368jug.jpg)
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No wonder I usually fly Luftwaffe iron; better paint job than US aircraft. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
"My art is the wings of an aircraft through the skies, my music the deep hum of a prop as it slices the air, my thrill the thunder of guns tearing asunder an enemy plane."
Flakbait
19 September 2000
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Juzz, Pyro also said that "late 56th war camo will not be left over, just need to be patient" (something with the same meaning, I'm still looking for the post).
I was always disapointed with the P47 blue nose, but most seemed to like it at the time. Anyway, paint scheme are not in any of our power, but at least I have a P47 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif), even if the Wep is very weack.
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What about the Kiwi F4u?
tronski RNZAF
(http://www.egroups.com/files/Skyrats/f4u.jpg)
(http://www.egroups.com/files/Skyrats/38.jpg)
[This message has been edited by -tronski- (edited 10-04-2000).]
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Got it :
Crapgame, there are so many variants to do of the jug that we can afford to have a diversity of markings. 56th FG won't be passed over. But the Brazilian P-47s were pretty sharp looking planes too.
Heya Sydy, spread the word down there to get us a good Brazilian player base and we'll put in a P-47D-25 in FAB markings for sure.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.
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Heya Gorf, we used that book to select this paint scheme. You should be able to find it at a hobby store.
Frenchy, sorry didn't read your post right. Big bellybutton Bird is still a lot better than Tarheel Hal IMO.
As to some of the late 56th paint jobs, you'll have to wait for an M model.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
"I say old boy, why don't you shut up and die like a man?"
[This message has been edited by SFRT - Frenchy (edited 10-04-2000).]
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Heya,
I'm not just talking about the paint. I'm trying to put an end to the endless whining about the -1C. Without doing a great deal of redesigning the F4U-1C could be a -1A as well. How difficult is this? I have no idea. But it would give the pilots like myself an oppertunity to fly a fighter version of the F4U with 50Cals. We already have 4 109's. What's wrong with a third F4U if it doesn't deley the design of new fighter types. After all it would blend with early war scenario's and wouldn't be a late war uber bird.
Besides just count the number of C hog threads taking over the boards right now.
I disagree but I am also tired of hearing it.
Later
F4UDOA
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What was the difference between the -1C and -1D? Why is the -1C lighter(It climbs about 100fpm faster)?
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who knows...
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More importantly, how many -1A had the -8W?
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Juzz:
All -1A were manufactured with water injection (it was retrofitted to the -1s).
The main difference between the -1A and -1D was that 2 underwing bomb pylons and rocket rails were added. Drag from these would not be insignificant.
F4UDOA:
I really doubt that the squeaking about the 1C will be reduced by the introduction of 1As or doras. I guess you better just get used to it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Hooligan
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Juzz, it depends on which book or reference you believe.
If the -1C is a derivative of the -1D, they should be basically the same.
If the -1C is a derivative of the -1A (which is possible, and would explain some things), then its conceiveable that the -1C is slightly lighter and would have less drag.
I personally don't know which way to believe, because I have seen convincing evidence from both positions.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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In AH the only difference is that the -1C only has rails for 4 rockets as opposed to the -1D with 6. I suppose HTC are thinking it came from the -1D?
Speeds are identical afaik, but for some reason the -1C climbs a bit faster. Hmmm...
How much does 4 Hispanos and ammo weigh?
How much does 6 Brownings and ammo weigh?
PYRO?
How about this paintjob? It's luvly, innit?
(http://www.vought.com/photos/images/0686_20.jpg)
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Juzz:
Browning M2 weighs: 70 lbs
1 belted round of .50 weighs (approx): .305 lb
6xM2 + 2350 .50 rounds weigh: 1137 lbs
Hispano weighs: 129 lbs
belted round of 20mm weighs (approx): .653 lb
4xHis + 932 20mm rounds weigh: 1125 lbs
Data from page 133 in "America's Hundred Thousand".
Hooligan
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Ohhh, a R.A.F. F4U. Would be very nice to have one of those, as well as a R.A.F. P-51.
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C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York (http://www.trueorigins.net/411rcaf)
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Incase you missed it in the chog babble (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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