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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Raptor on March 14, 2010, 11:46:01 PM
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The Winner is the He-111
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There were a couple surprises in this survey, for example I did not expect the PBY-5A to make it past the first round. I expected the final round of voting to be closer than it was, but the He-111 won consistently by a large margin.
Judging from the first two rounds, I expected the Ki-43 and Beaufighter to be in the final round of voting against the He-111. However this is where my theory may have come into play. My prediction was that when someone's aircraft of interest was eliminated, they would consolidate their votes with one of the less popular aircraft, bringing that aircraft's tally up above aircraft that consistently did well. This was proven to be the case with both the Me-410 and the Yak-3. During Round 2, both of these aircraft were nearly eliminated, however similar aircraft that were eliminated were the A-26 and the Pe-2. I expect that people that voted for the Pe-2 switched their vote to the Yak-3 favoring a russian aircraft to win, and people favoring the A-26 switched to the Me-410 wanting a late war ground attack contender.
The Ki-43 and Beaufighter had a loyal fan base but nothing to attract new voters, which is why I think they went from leading the polls to falling behind the yak3 and the 410. I did not include my vote in any of the polls, but if anyone is interested I was pulling for the following aircraft in the following order:
1.) G4M2
2.) KI43
3.) M-18
Here are the results from all 4 rounds of voting
Round 1
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Round 2
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Round 3
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Round 4
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Sadly, about the most useless aircraft on the poll too. Doesn't fill any gaps at all.
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Sadly, about the most useless aircraft on the poll too. Doesn't fill any gaps at all.
But then again... none of this really matters.
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Sadly, about the most useless aircraft on the poll too. Doesn't fill any gaps at all.
Fills a Gap for BoB and a much needed early war German bomber for scenarios and special events.
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But then again... none of this really matters.
Agreed. Just commenting.
Fills a Gap for BoB and a much needed early war German bomber for scenarios and special events.
The Ju88A-4 fills it quite nicely already. The He111 wouldn't make any difference there.
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Fills a Gap for BoB and a much needed early war German bomber for scenarios and special events.
It would defiantly fill in every battle from Battle of France, BOB, North Africa, Italy and all of eastern front too.
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The Ju88A-4 fills it quite nicely already. The He111 wouldn't make any difference there.
Are you kidding? Have you flown in any of the past BoB scenarios?
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He's trolling. He knows far better than that. Don't feed him.
P.S. Polls like this really don't help. Multi-layer polls with diminishing options just means most of the folks that lost their "main vote" in the first tier don't really care or have less interest in the remaining poll tiers. That can skew the results.
Best kind of poll is the larger, more inclusive first-tier kind (like your round 1 results). There are also problems with this setup, but IMO it's better than multi-tiered.
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The Ju88A-4 fills it quite nicely already. The He111 wouldn't make any difference there.
You obviously don't participate in many special events.
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He's trolling. He knows far better than that. Don't feed him.
P.S. Polls like this really don't help. Multi-layer polls with diminishing options just means most of the folks that lost their "main vote" in the first tier don't really care or have less interest in the remaining poll tiers. That can skew the results.
Best kind of poll is the larger, more inclusive first-tier kind (like your round 1 results). There are also problems with this setup, but IMO it's better than multi-tiered.
The reasons I chose a multi tier poll is because HiTech conducted used similar methods during their most recent poll which brought aboutt he inclusion of the B25 and the P39.
As far as I know I have never seen Karnak be one to troll, albeit I agree some of the other aircraft fill larger gaps, I would not say that it would not fill any.
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Put up 3 aircraft for consideration. 1 Round of votes
Furthermore. if your going ot have longer polls, I think a better poll would be based on plane type Put up for consideration. Like 3 of one type of plane/GV instead of mixing fighters bombers and GVs all in one poll
Example. 3 separate polls would look something like this
Fighter/attack - Spit(z), YAK (z) 109 (z)...
Bomber/transport - (A 26, B17, HE111 ....
GV - King Tiger, Panther, Churchill.....
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It will always come down to the biggest bang for the buck. Which plane impacts both the MA as well as the scenario/FSO world. The He-111 would make a good addition for B of B stuff etc. Getting folks to fly it with the lousy defensive armament will be a different matter. If I get to fly escort in a 109E it will make nice immersive eye candy for me. But I sure wouldn't want to risk a weekend afternoon in it in a Scenario :)
That's why I'm a Beaufighter junkie. It fills all kinds of roles as a 1940-45 front line bird and would get used in the MA
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It will always come down to the biggest bang for the buck. Which plane impacts both the MA as well as the scenario/FSO world. The He-111 would make a good addition for B of B stuff etc. Getting folks to fly it with the lousy defensive armament will be a different matter. If I get to fly escort in a 109E it will make nice immersive eye candy for me. But I sure wouldn't want to risk a weekend afternoon in it in a Scenario :)
That's why I'm a Beaufighter junkie. It fills all kinds of roles as a 1940-45 front line bird and would get used in the MA
Yea, but the He-111 is of few AC (Allies or axis) that play a huge roll in the war (1939-1945).
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Yummy !!!!! He 111s
very cool plane to look at but me thinks itll be another hanger queen,
hope not though cause im gonna enjoys the killins even more than da b25 :x
I can't wait :banana:
froger
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Yea, but the He-111 is of few AC (Allies or axis) that play a huge roll in the war (1939-1945).
I'd disagree it played a huge role from 39-45. It had a significant role from 39-42, with much of it being night bombing or support roles. The lack of defensive armament and speed made it an easy target for fighters. In the end, due to lack of vision by the LW, it was all they had and remained in production long after becoming obsolete.
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Beaufighter, again was used in every theater of the war from 39 to 45.
One of the few aircraft that was in service from beginning to end.
It is a travesty that an aircraft that served so many so well, and widely,
that it is not yet in game. It was a jack of all trades, something the LW
spent the entire war trying to design, and couldn't.
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Bf110 did exactly what beaufighter did, for the axis
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I'd disagree it played a huge role from 39-45. It had a significant role from 39-42, with much of it being night bombing or support roles. The lack of defensive armament and speed made it an easy target for fighters. In the end, due to lack of vision by the LW, it was all they had and remained in production long after becoming obsolete.
I have to correct my self, it was active in until 1945 but production ended late 1944. By 1945, only small Kg units were using them as night here is all the variants it came in. The choices that AH have is the H-6, H-20/R-1 would be nice, but i think the "E" models where produced the most...but could be wrong on that.
* He 111 A-0: 10 aircraft built based on He 111 V3, two used for trials at Rechlin, rejected by Luftwaffe all 10 were sold to China".[23]
* He 111 B-0: Pre-production aircraft, similar to He 111 A-0, but with DB600Aa engines.
* He 111 B-1: Production aircraft as B-0, but with DB600C engines. Defensive armament consisted of a flexible Ikaria turret in the nose A Stand, a B Stand with one DL 15 revolving gun-mount and a C Stand with one MG 15.[23]
* He 111 B-2: As B-1, but with DB600GG engines, and extra radiators on either side of the engine nacelles under the wings. Later the DB 600Ga engines were added and the wing surface coolers withdrawn.[23]
* He 111 B-3: Modified B-1 for training purposes.[23]
* He 111 C-0: Six pre-production aircraft.
* He 111 D-0: Pre-production aircraft with DB600Ga engines.[23]
* He 111 D-1: Production aircraft, only a few built. Notable for the installation of the FuG X, or FuG 10, designed to operate over longer ranges. Auxiliary equipment contained direction finding Peil G V and FuBI radio blind landing aids.[28]
* He 111 E-0: Pre-production aircraft, similar to B-0, but with Jumo 211A-1 engines.
* He 111 E-1: Production aircraft with Jumo 211 A-1 powerplants. Prototypes were powered by Jume 210G as which replaced the original DB 600s.[28]
* He 111 E-2: Non production variant. No known variants built. Designed with Jumo 211 A-1s and A-3s.[28]
* He 111 E-3: Production bomber. Same design as E-2, but upgraded to standard Jumo 211A-3s.[28]
* He 111 E-4: Half of 2,000 kg (4,410 lb) bomb load carried externally.[28]
* He 111 E-5: Fitted with several internal auxiliary fuel tanks.[28]
* He 111 F-0: Pre-production aircraft similar to E-5, but with a new wing of simpler construction with a straight rather than curved taper, and Jumo 211A-1 engines.[33]
* He 111 F-1: Production bomber, 24 were exported to Turkey.[33]
* He 111 F-2: 20 were built. The F-2 was based on the F-1, differing only in installation of optimised wireless equipment.[33]
* He 111 F-3: Planned reconnaissance version. Bomb release equipment replaced with RB cameras. It was to have Jumo 211A-3 powerplants.[33]
* He 111 F-4: A small number of staff communications aircraft were built under this designation. Equipment was similar to the G-5.[33]
* He 111 F-5: The F-5 was not put into production. The already available on the P variant showed it to be superior.[33]
* He 111 G-0: Pre-production transportation aircraft built, featured new wing introduced on F-0.
* He 111 G-3: Also known as V14, fitted with BMW 132Dc radial engines.
* He 111 G-4: Also known as V16, fitted with DB600G engines.
* He 111 G-5: Four aircraft with DB600Ga engines built for export to Turkey.
* He 111 J-0: Pre-production torpedo bomber similar to F-4, but with DB600CG engines.[33]
* He 111 J-1: Production torpedo bomber, 90 built, but re-configured as a bomber.
* He 111 L: Alternative designation for the He 111G-3 civil transport aircraft.
* He 111 P-0: Pre-production aircraft featured new straight wing, new glazed nose, Db601Aa engines, and a ventral gondola for gunner (rather than "dust-bin" on previous models).[41]
* He 111 P-1: Production aircraft, fitted with three MG 15s as defensive armament.
* He 111 P-2: Had FuG 10 radio in place of FuG IIIaU. Defensive armament increased to five MG 15s.[41]
* He 111 P-3: Dual control trainer fitted with DB601A-1 powerplants.[41]
* He 111 P-4: Fitted with extra armour, three extra MG 15s, and provisions for two externally mounted bomber racks. Powerplants consisted of DB601A-1s. The internal bomb bay was replaced with a 835 L fuel tank and a 120 L oil tank.[41]
* He 111 P-5: The P-5 was a pilot trainer. Some 24 examples were built. The variant was powered by DB 601A engines.[41]
* He 111 P-6: Some of the P-6s were powered by the DB 601N engines. The Messerschmitt Bf 109 received these engines, as they had greater priority.[41]
* He 111 P-6/R2: Conversions later in war of surviving aircraft to glider tugs.
* He 111 P-7: Never built.[38]
* He 111 P-8: Its existence and production is in doubt.[38]
* He 111 P-9: It was intended for export to the Hungarian Air Force, by the project founder for lack of DB 601E engines. Only a small number were built, and were used in the Luftwaffe as towcraft.[38]
* He 111 H-0: Pre-production aircraft similar to P-2 but with Jumo 211A-1 engines.
* He 111 H-1: Production aircraft. Fitted with FuG IIIaU and later FuG 10 radio communications.
* He 111 H-2: This version was fitted with improved armament. Two D Stands (waist guns) in the fuselage giving the variant some five MG 15 Machine guns.
* He 111 H-3: Similar to H-2, but with Jumo 211A-3 engines. Like the H-2, five MG 15 machine guns were standard. One A Stand MG FF cannon could be installed in the nose and an MG 15 could be installed in the tail unit.
* He 111 H-4: Fitted with Jumo 211D engines, late in production changed to Jumo 211F engines, and two external bomb racks. Two PVC 1006L racks for carrying torpedoes could be added.".[67]
* He 111 H-5: Similar to H-4, all bombs carried externally, internal bomb bay replaced by fuel tank. The variant was to be a longer range torpedo bomber.[67]
* He 111 H-6: Torpedo bomber, could carry two LT F5b torpedoes externally, powered by Jumo 211F-1 engines, had six MG 15s and one MG FF cannon in forward gondola.[67]
* He 111 H-7: Designed as a night bomber. Similar to H-6, tail MG 17 removed, ventral gondola removed, and armoured plate added. Fitted with Kuto-Nase barrage balloon cable-cutters.[67]
* He 111 H-8: The H-8 was a rebuild of H-3 or H-5 aircraft, but with balloon cable-cutting fender. The H-8 was powered by Jumo 211D-1s.[67]
* He 111 H-8/R2: Conversion of H-8 into glider tugs, balloon cable-cutting equipment removed.
* He 111 H-9: Based on H-6, but with Kuto-Nase balloon cable-cutters.
* He 111 H-10: Similar to H-6, but with 20 mm MG/FF cannon in ventral gondola, and fitted with Kuto-Nase balloon cable-cutters. Powered by Jumo 211 A-1s or D-1s.[67]
* He 111 H-11: Had a fully-enclosed dorsal gun position and increased defensive armament and armour. The H-11 was fitted with Jumo 211 F-2s.[67]
* He 111 H-11/R1: As H-11, but with two 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 81Z twin-gun units at beam positions.
* He 111 H-11/R2: As H-11, but converted to a glider tug.
* He 111 H-12: Modified to carry Hs 293A missiles, fitted with FuG 203b Kehl transmitter, and ventral gondola deleted.[67]
* He 111 H-14: Pathfinder, fitted with FuG FuMB4 Samos and FuG 16 radio equipment.[67]
* He 111 H-14/R1:Glider tug version.
* He 111 H-15: The H-15 was intended as a launch pad for the Blohm & Voss BV 246.[67]
* He 111 H-16: Fitted with Jumo 211F-2 engines and increased defensive armament of MG 131 machine guns, twin MG 81Zs, and a MG FF cannon.
* He 111 H-16/R1: As H-16, but with MG 131 in power-operated dorsal turret.
* He 111 H-16/R2: As H-16, but converted to a glider tug.
* He 111 H-16/R3: As H-16, modified as a pathfinder.
* He 111 H-18: Based on H-16/R3, was a pathfinder for night operations.
* He 111 H-20: Defensive armament similar to H-16, but some aircraft feature power-operated dorsal turrets.
* He 111 H-20/R1: Could carry 16 paratroopers, fitted with jump hatch.
* He 111 H-20/R2: Was a cargo carrier and glider tug.
* He 111 H-20/R3: Was a night bomber.
* He 111 H-20/R4: Could carry twenty 50 kg (110 lb) bombs.
* He 111 H-21: Based on the H-20/R3, but with Jumo 213E-1 engines.
* He 111 H-22: Re-designated and modified H-6, H-16, and H-21's used to air launch V-1 flying-bombs.
* He 111 H-23: Based on H-20/R1, but with Jumo 213A-1 engines.
* He 111 R: High altitude bomber project.
* He 111 U: A spurious designation applied for propaganda purposes to the Heinkel He 119 high-speed reconnaissance bomber design which set an FAI record in November 1937. True identity only becomes clear to the Allies after World War II.[68]
* He 111 Z-1: Two He 111 airframes coupled together by a fifth engine, used a glider tug for Messerschmitt Me 321.
* He 111 Z-2: Long-range bomber variant based on Z-1.
* He 111 Z-3: Long-range reconnaissance variant based on Z-1.
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Agreed. Just commenting.
The Ju88A-4 fills it quite nicely already. The He111 wouldn't make any difference there.
wrong, the ju88 is too fast, it can outrun a spit1 and a hurrie1. so the HE 111, which is slower than a ju88, is strongly needed for BoB, which is allways a classic and great scenario
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HE111 is a scenario / event ride within AH.
It would feature heavily in any BoB scenario with the Ju88 playing a bit role in comparison.
It would also feature in Eastern Front Scenarios significantly as it became used for a plethora of roles from tactical bomber, thru transport (heavily used beside the Ju52 on various airlifts) to even battlefields roles agin GV's.
It would obviously feature in the Med campaigns.
In the MA's it would never (IMO) be used unless it was gifted some transport capabilities to the point where it became capable of some or part of the duties currently undertaken by the C47.
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Yummy !!!!! He 111s
very cool plane to look at but me thinks itll be another hanger queen,
hope not though cause im gonna enjoys the killins even more than da b25 :x
I can't wait :banana:
froger
I hope HT makes it so that glass will shoot out explosively when you rake it with even a .303. It'd be nice to see some carnage in that birdcage proboscis.
One other fun role for it, scenario-wise: attempting to ferry supplies into the frozen hell of Gumrak and Pitomnik in the Stalingrad kessel. Now THERE'S an opportunity for some persistent-battlefield hell (and too bad we don't have one). That'd be a fun scenario: try to ferry supplies in without etting WASTED by Yaks. You could reward the bait with points just for delivering supplies to the encirclement.
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HE-111 will work for reasons stated above, would love to see the KI-43 :pray
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Bf110 did exactly what beaufighter did, for the axis
Not exactly, and we have two variants of the 110, so your argument is spurious.
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cough, betty bomber fills a bigger hole than Beaufighter and He-111 combined :bolt:
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The Ju88A-4 fills it quite nicely already. The He111 wouldn't make any difference there.
This is a curious comment, as all I seem to hear from RAF guys during BoB scenarios is how the Ju 88 is far too fast. That and that the Luftwaffe has cannons but that's just :lol
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The He-111 can be stored at Davis Monthan AFB and dusted off twice a year for BoB scenarios. Hole-filling or not, almost any other plane on the original list would get more use.
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hangar queens over crates that would actually be used on a near daily basis. . . of course the queens win.
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Bf110 did exactly what beaufighter did, for the axis
Not even close
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cough, betty bomber fills a bigger hole than Beaufighter and He-111 combined :bolt:
LOL. Not even close.....
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hangar queens over crates that would actually be used on a near daily basis. . . of course the queens win.
Meaning boof, 410, Yak-3, G.55, right?
The real problem is not the distribution of aircraft, the real problem is the paucity of aircraft. A rising tide lifts all boats. This allocation problem would be a non-issue if they were bangin' 'em out a little quicker. Think about it: if we were getting a new WWII bird every month and had a known deployment schedule, it'd be a hell of a lot easier to be patient.
I've said it before: I'd love for HTC to lift the veil a bit on AC development, what it entails, and what's in the works. It seems painfully slow, at least when we're a bunch of mushrooms (in the dark and being fed the equivalent of soup from sources of varying levels of cred).
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Just curious, this has nothing to do with how I feel about the aircraft, but as far as utilitarian MA use goes, why would people pick the Beaufighter over the Bf 110G or Mosquito, or the G.55 over the Bf 109G-14, K-4, Yak 9U etc. etc. etc.?
These are still mid war aircraft.
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Just curious, this has nothing to do with how I feel about the aircraft, but as far as utilitarian MA use goes, why would people pick the Beaufighter over the Bf 110G or Mosquito, or the G.55 over the Bf 109G-14, K-4, Yak 9U etc. etc. etc.?
These are still mid war aircraft.
Same reason why i fly a P-47D-25 in late war and fight all them AC. personal preference i guess.
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Just curious, this has nothing to do with how I feel about the aircraft, but as far as utilitarian MA use goes, why would people pick the Beaufighter over the Bf 110G or Mosquito, or the G.55 over the Bf 109G-14, K-4, Yak 9U etc. etc. etc.?
These are still mid war aircraft.
Well, at least the G.55 is a damn sexy plane compared to the butt-ugly 109s and Yaks. :eek: :bolt:
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Same reason why i fly a P-47D-25 in late war and fight all them AC. personal preference i guess.
Well if I'm given the need to fly a bomber I'll take up the Ju 88 or when it comes out the He 111. It's kind of pointless to bring people who fly aircraft for reasons other than pure performance into the equation when you're talking about MA use.
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PLEASE just fix the biggest omissions in the game, planes that were produced in LARGE numbers but arent even in-game up to now.
Ki-43
He-111
G4M2
any other planes that numbered 1,000+ and absolutely needed for scenarios.
i dont subscribe for the MA, it has lost its appeal a looong time ago. hording and land-grabbing ruined it all, might as well play in the DA if i wanted to get horded.
i live for scenarios.
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PLEASE just fix the biggest omissions in the game, planes that were produced in LARGE numbers but arent even in-game up to now.
Ki-43
He-111
G4M2
any other planes that numbered 1,000+ and absolutely needed for scenarios.
i dont subscribe for the MA, it has lost its appeal a looong time ago. hording and land-grabbing ruined it all, might as well play in the DA if i wanted to get horded.
i live for scenarios.
:aok
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HE-111 will work for reasons stated above, would love to see the KI-43 :pray
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wrong, the ju88 is too fast, it can outrun a spit1 and a hurrie1. so the HE 111, which is slower than a ju88, is strongly needed for BoB, which is allways a classic and great scenario
The He111 is slightly slower than the Ju88A-4. Don't exaggerate the difference.
The only way to make a BoB scenario work is to make the bomber pilots fly at cruise settings. Anything else and it doesn't matter if they are in Ju88s, He111s or Do17s.
FYI, the JU88 is not faster than either the Hurri I or Spit I.
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Cruising speed for a He-111P (which made up half the He-111s at the beginning of the war, the other half being early 111Hs) with bombload was 190mph at FTH of 5000m. The H-1 through H-3 were almost identical to the He-111P, but instead of DB engines they had Jumo 211A-3 engines of equivelant horsepower.
You might have a point if you consider post-BOB He-111H models (usually H-6 and later, H-11s+) as far as performance with the Ju-88, but these had later Jumo211D and D-1 and 211F-2 engines in them.
Then again, our Ju-88 is also post-BOB, with too much horsepower, wing area, and defensive guns, to be comparable to what the BOB had in it (and even then, it was a small minority in the LW bomber fleet in the BOB)
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PLEASE just fix the biggest omissions in the game, planes that were produced in LARGE numbers but arent even in-game up to now.
Ki-43
He-111
G4M2
any other planes that numbered 1,000+ and absolutely needed for scenarios.
i dont subscribe for the MA, it has lost its appeal a looong time ago. hording and land-grabbing ruined it all, might as well play in the DA if i wanted to get horded.
i live for scenarios.
What part of the 1940-45, ETO, MTO, CBI. PTO, 5000+ production run Beaufighter aren't I being clear on? :)
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What part of the 1940-45, ETO, MTO, CBI. PTO, 5000+ production run Beaufighter aren't I being clear on? :)
He-111
Ki-43
Boof
G4M2
:furious
did i miss any more? :D
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He-111
Ki-43
Boof
G4M2
:furious
did i miss any more? :D
Many, many more. Here is a list of Japanese aircraft with production totals above 1000 that are not in the game:
Ki-43 "Oscar" 5919 built
G4M "Betty" 2446 built
Ki-21 "Sally" 2064 built
D4Y "Judy" 2038 built
Ki-48 "Lily" 1997 built
Ki-46 "Dinah" 1746 built
Ki-45 "Nick" 1701 built
Ki-27 "Nate" 1329 built
B6N "Jill" 1268 built
Ki-44 "Tojo" 1225 built
P1Y1 "Frances" 1098 built
G3M "Nell" 1048 built
N1K1-J "George" 1007 built
There are a great many aircraft from other nations as well that have production totals well over 1000. Some examples:
Wellington 11464 built
Pe-2 11400 built
SB2C Helldiver 7140 built
SB-2 6656 built
He111 6508 built
LaGG-3 6258 built
Halifax 6176 built
Beaufighter 5928 built
Il-4 5256 built
Il-10 4966 built
Blenheim 4422 built
B-29 3970 built
I-153 3437 built
MiG-3 3172 built
A-26 2452 built
Stirling 2383 built
Tu-2 2257 built
Do17 2139 built
CR.42 1817 built
Do217 1730 built
DB-3 1528
Hampden 1430 built
SM.79 1350 built
Ju188 1234 built
Me410 ~1200 built
He177 1169 built
C.200 1153 built
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Many, many more. Here is a list of Japanese aircraft with production totals above 1000 that are not in the game:
Ki-43 "Oscar" 5919 built
G4M "Betty" 2446 built
Ki-21 "Sally" 2064 built
D4Y "Judy" 2038 built
Ki-48 "Lily" 1997 built
Ki-46 "Dinah" 1746 built
Ki-45 "Nick" 1701 built
Ki-27 "Nate" 1329 built
B6N "Jill" 1268 built
Ki-44 "Tojo" 1225 built
P1Y1 "Frances" 1098 built
G3M "Nell" 1048 built
N1K1-J "George" 1007 built
There are a great many aircraft from other nations as well that have production totals well over 1000. Some examples:
Wellington 11464 built
Pe-2 11400 built
SB2C Helldiver 7140 built
SB-2 6656 built
He111 6508 built
LaGG-3 6258 built
Halifax 6176 built
Beaufighter 5928 built
Il-4 5256 built
Il-10 4966 built
Blenheim 4422 built
B-29 3970 built
I-153 3437 built
MiG-3 3172 built
A-26 2452 built
Stirling 2383 built
Tu-2 2257 built
Do17 2139 built
CR.42 1817 built
Do217 1730 built
DB-3 1528
Hampden 1430 built
SM.79 1350 built
Ju188 1234 built
Me410 ~1200 built
He177 1169 built
C.200 1153 built
maaaaaan thats a LOT!
:cheers: thank you karnak, here's to hoping we get the complete list in our lifetime! :cheers:
but maybe even if we just get the ones that are are essential to the scenarios first.
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PBY Catalina is missing off of the list.
As for the 110 "doing exactly what the Beaufighter did"? No way in hell.
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PBY Catalina is missing off of the list.
As for the 110 "doing exactly what the Beaufighter did"? No way in hell.
My list was not intended to be a complete list. As I said, examples. :p
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I hope HT makes it so that glass will shoot out explosively when you rake it with even a .303. It'd be nice to see some carnage in that birdcage proboscis.
One other fun role for it, scenario-wise: attempting to ferry supplies into the frozen hell of Gumrak and Pitomnik in the Stalingrad kessel. Now THERE'S an opportunity for some persistent-battlefield hell (and too bad we don't have one). That'd be a fun scenario: try to ferry supplies in without etting WASTED by Yaks. You could reward the bait with points just for delivering supplies to the encirclement.
Awesome bro :rock
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Just curious, this has nothing to do with how I feel about the aircraft, but as far as utilitarian MA use goes, why would people pick the Beaufighter over the Bf 110G or Mosquito, or the G.55 over the Bf 109G-14, K-4, Yak 9U etc. etc. etc.?
These are still mid war aircraft.
Beau was in if from beginning to end. It's history extends further then the 110 and Mossie in terms of where it fought. As for the MA, the Beau would do more jobs then either the 110 or Mossie.
Personally I'd fly it cause it's a low alt bird and I like it on the deck. And I've never wanted to fly the latest and greatest which is why I wander around in a 38G.
Making the Beau work in the MA would be part of the challenge and the fun.
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The point of this thread was to post the overall results of the polling and find out people's reactions to the results, not to debate which plane should have won or whatever.
I did the poll in the same manner HiTech conducts their online polls, so that is why I did it like I did. I did not separate the categories because I was not looking for the most popular vehicle, the most popular plane, etc. I was looking for the most popular overall machine. The 5th most popular aircraft was still more popular than the most desired vehicle.
I kind of don't want to break the bad news that these polls have no merit as to what the next aircraft will be, but we don't want to spread rumors that the He-111 is in the works now do we :devil
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From one Raptor to another, could you set up a gv poll?
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Beau was in if from beginning to end. It's history extends further then the 110 and Mossie in terms of where it fought. As for the MA, the Beau would do more jobs then either the 110 or Mossie.
Personally I'd fly it cause it's a low alt bird and I like it on the deck. And I've never wanted to fly the latest and greatest which is why I wander around in a 38G.
Making the Beau work in the MA would be part of the challenge and the fun.
You're preaching to the choir :)
I honestly don't care about MA effectiveness in the least bit, I don't think that any new aircraft will be immediately popular and even if they were it really wouldn't change anything about MA play. That's why I'd love to see aircraft like the He 111, Do 17, CR42, I153, Gladiator, MS 406 etc etc. For the sake of scenario use.
What I'm asking is, to those that say that the Beaufighter and G.55 would be successful MA aircraft compared to the Ki 43, He 111, etc., and should be added on that merit, why do you think that they would be?
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You're preaching to the choir :)
I honestly don't care about MA effectiveness in the least bit, I don't think that any new aircraft will be immediately popular and even if they were it really wouldn't change anything about MA play. That's why I'd love to see aircraft like the He 111, Do 17, CR42, I153, Gladiator, MS 406 etc etc. For the sake of scenario use.
What I'm asking is, to those that say that the Beaufighter and G.55 would be successful MA aircraft compared to the Ki 43, He 111, etc., and should be added on that merit, why do you think that they would be?
The Beau would at least bring a bit of accuracy to the idea of NOE. That's where it's war was fought. Many of the crews skipped parachutes as they were flying too low anyway. It would make far more sense to see a group of Beaufighter TFX attacking shipping as much of what they did was in that role. A typical historic set up for the Dalachy Wing Beaufighters attacking shipping involved some with rockets for the flak, some with torps for the shipping, and all with cannons to finish the job. A bunch of 110s and N1Ks mixed attacking a field looks silly. A bunch of Beaufighters would at least look accurate if that makes sense.
That it carried rockets or bombs, or Torps depending on the job makes it much more viable as an MA bird. I wouldn't fly it that way as I haven't ever had much desire to blow things up, but at least it would look right in that job. And for mess around on the deck folks like myself, I think it would be a fun bird to play with. Throw in the history stuff and it fits for me.
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PBY most successful flying boat in the war over 3000 produced used in every theatre.
999000 <S>
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PBY most successful flying boat in the war over 3000 produced used in every theatre.
999000 <S>
Define "successful".
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From one Raptor to another, could you set up a gv poll?
The raptors are working together. :uhoh
(http://www.fiercefoodie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Jurassic_Park_raptors.jpg)
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Heinkel-He-111-WAR-JET-BOOK-Airplane-Bomber-Fighter-WW2_W0QQitemZ350319302746QQihZ022QQcategoryZ378QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8550113738382585056
Appropriate place for this. :cheers:
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The raptors are working together. :uhoh
(http://www.fiercefoodie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Jurassic_Park_raptors.jpg)
Clever girl... (file under stupidest line uttered in a movie).
At first I thought the one in bg was dawgy-stylin' the one in fg. Perhaps the Raptors can assure me that's NOT occurring.
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Clever girl... (file under stupidest line uttered in a movie).
At first I thought the one in bg was dawgy-stylin' the one in fg. Perhaps the Raptors can assure me that's NOT occurring.
? :headscratch:
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the 110 was actually more of an anti bomber role right?
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It's funny how people drop out of the poll's as the choices get fewer.
Round / Total
1st : 344
2nd : 253
3rd :156
4th :136
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I will now vote 1500 times for the Beaufighter :D
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Define "successful".
Better at not running into fighter opposition? <G,D and R>
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It will always come down to the biggest bang for the buck. Which plane impacts both the MA as well as the scenario/FSO world. The He-111 would make a good addition for B of B stuff etc. Getting folks to fly it with the lousy defensive armament will be a different matter. If I get to fly escort in a 109E it will make nice immersive eye candy for me. But I sure wouldn't want to risk a weekend afternoon in it in a Scenario :)
That's why I'm a Beaufighter junkie. It fills all kinds of roles as a 1940-45 front line bird and would get used in the MA
Well Guppy, it's official. We need to drum Raptor out of the 80th :D