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Title: Mossi Bomber
Post by: VoX on March 15, 2010, 11:20:36 AM
Can we have the mossi bomber, after all it was the reason the mosquito was invented, and not as a fighter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mosquito_600pix.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mosquito_600pix.jpg)

Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: RTHolmes on March 15, 2010, 11:22:21 AM
yes!  :rock


PS use the "insert image" rather than "insert hyperlink" ;)
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: RaptorL on March 15, 2010, 12:20:52 PM
Why not. +
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: kingcobradude on March 15, 2010, 02:23:36 PM
I agree it was a bomber originally :aok
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: Krusty on March 15, 2010, 03:22:34 PM
I'm all for a little more diversity with the Mossies, but I have to ask you, honestly.... Given the option of a single plane with NO gunswhatsoever, but a bombsight, vs a plane with a MASSIVELY powerful hispano loadout and no bombsight.... All other things being equal (performance, range, bombload)...

Do you think folks would honestly ever use it?

Like I said, I'm for it, but I hadda ask anyways.
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: RTHolmes on March 15, 2010, 03:29:01 PM
hell yeah! I fly bostons for the speed/climbrate knowing thats pretty much all ive got for defence.
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: Beefcake on March 15, 2010, 04:09:08 PM
I would use it, the thing flys at what? 400+ mph? Even with no guns it would be an awesome blitz bomber.
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: Tilt on March 15, 2010, 04:10:36 PM
Formation Mk XVI B's would be in constant use IMO..............
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: Spikes on March 15, 2010, 04:21:34 PM
They will use it. Hell, I'll bet at alt w/o external bombs it's up there with my 234. But then again, w/o external bombs it only has 1K of ord...
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: JimmyC on March 15, 2010, 04:22:09 PM
oooh yeah baby
bring it on
 :rock
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: oakranger on March 15, 2010, 05:44:10 PM
Here is a great movie on the mossi as a bomber.  BTY, go to framed 0:02, and behind the pilot.  Is that a rear gun turret or something?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2xHydbw8mQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2xHydbw8mQ)
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: Krusty on March 15, 2010, 06:19:33 PM
He said "bomber" mossie, not "Mossie16" -- there were many clear-nose variants, assuming it was the best, latest-and-greatest isn't what I was replying to.

Given 2 options, one with and one without nose guns, all other things being equal, not many will choose the bomber version.

Also, mossies should never get formations, ever. They were not mass-bombers, they were attack craft more than bombers (yeah, I'll take some flack for that comment, just you watch!), and given that they have NO defensive guns there is no reason to give them formations (with which to defend themselves).

Formations replicate carpet bombing, and replicate (poorly, IMO) box formation defensive capabilities. Mossies neither flew in box formations for defense, nor carpet bombed. I'd like a no-formation clear nose mossie (or 2, 1 early, 1 late) to round out scenarios and such. Personally, though, I'll still take the FB model when flying in the MA.
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: Krusty on March 15, 2010, 06:21:09 PM
Here is a great movie on the mossi as a bomber.  BTY, go to framed 0:02, and behind the pilot.  Is that a rear gun turret or something?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2xHydbw8mQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2xHydbw8mQ)


It's a pesepex (spelling?) dome. Found on many planes. The nagivator could stick his head in it for a look around, or I assume use navigation tools for tracking the sun, moon, stars, etc. Our B-17 also has one right in front of the cockpit in-game.
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: Spikes on March 15, 2010, 06:23:57 PM
I was just assuming "bomber" meant "formation" in that case, no it'll be rarely used.  
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: SIK1 on March 15, 2010, 06:25:56 PM
Perspex. The dome was used for navigation as Krusty said.
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: Karnak on March 15, 2010, 06:30:16 PM
They will use it. Hell, I'll bet at alt w/o external bombs it's up there with my 234. But then again, w/o external bombs it only has 1K of ord...
You mean 4k.  B.Mk XVI carries a 4000lb 'cookie' internally.
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: RTHolmes on March 15, 2010, 06:50:04 PM
well ... B Mk XVI is the obvious choice, over 1200 produced, more than double the number of all the other bomber variants combined.

formations? yes of course! bombers in AH have formations. and although the most famous raids were in the weeds precision runs, afaik squadron strength, high alt, long range area bombing was widely used.
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: RTHolmes on March 15, 2010, 06:51:51 PM
You mean 4k.  B.Mk XVI carries a 4000lb 'cookie' internally.

or 6x500lb internal with the avro rack. :rock not sure if that was used with external bombs as well
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: Spikes on March 15, 2010, 06:52:07 PM
You mean 4k.  B.Mk XVI carries a 4000lb 'cookie' internally.
How much would that reduce it's speed at alt compared to the 234?
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: oakranger on March 15, 2010, 06:53:44 PM
It's a pesepex (spelling?) dome. Found on many planes. The nagivator could stick his head in it for a look around, or I assume use navigation tools for tracking the sun, moon, stars, etc. Our B-17 also has one right in front of the cockpit in-game.


OK, thx for clearing that one.  I was lost when i saw that and want to make sure that it was not a gun turret there. 
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: Karnak on March 15, 2010, 08:00:15 PM
How much would that reduce it's speed at alt compared to the 234?
Should be about the same, the 'cookie' is internal.
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: Plawranc on March 16, 2010, 01:35:48 AM
Mossie with a Cookie, I think I am in love  :x
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: RedTeck on March 16, 2010, 03:13:38 AM
Is the pistol looking device behind the pilot at :02 a flare pistol?
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: oakranger on March 16, 2010, 03:39:47 AM
Is the pistol looking device behind the pilot at :02 a flare pistol?

That is one of few things i was thinking. but from what krusty said:
It's a pesepex (spelling?) dome. Found on many planes. The nagivator could stick his head in it for a look around, or I assume use navigation tools for tracking the sun, moon, stars, etc. Our B-17 also has one right in front of the cockpit in-game.
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: SIK1 on March 16, 2010, 12:03:32 PM
It could be a flare pistol there is usually a port the you can fire the flare out of.
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: RTHolmes on March 16, 2010, 12:19:47 PM
I read somewhere that during testing of one of the B Mks they used ballast instead of a bombload in the bay, the mossie took off and performed as expected, but when they checked the ballast on landing they realised they had loaded over 10,000lb by mistake :lol
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: LLogann on March 16, 2010, 01:54:11 PM
We have the FB mk VI in the game, a fighter/bomber version.  The above photo is a B mk XVI, but I'm thinking we would get the B MK IX instead.  But.......  What do we get for a bomber version?  The field mod of carrying 4000lbs?

How about we forget the B versions and go with a FB mk XVIII!!!  Bring me the 6 pound gun!  (57mm anti tank)



MORE MOSSIES!!!!
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: RTHolmes on March 16, 2010, 02:06:25 PM
B Mk XVI most produced by a looong way, and the bulged bay wasnt a field mod.

but a big yes for the tse-tse :rock
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: kingcobradude on March 16, 2010, 03:36:01 PM
Ill take a bomber version, and a tank buster version
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: Karnak on March 16, 2010, 06:34:08 PM
We have the FB mk VI in the game, a fighter/bomber version.  The above photo is a B mk XVI, but I'm thinking we would get the B MK IX instead.  But.......  What do we get for a bomber version?  The field mod of carrying 4000lbs?

How about we forget the B versions and go with a FB mk XVIII!!!  Bring me the 6 pound gun!  (57mm anti tank)



MORE MOSSIES!!!!
Why would we get the Mk IX?  It was an intrim model and very few were produced.  The obvious additional models are the B.Mk IV and B.Mk XVI.  All B.Mk XVI's came from the factory equipped for the 'cookie'.
Title: Re: Mossi Bomber
Post by: SDGhalo on March 17, 2010, 07:47:40 AM
or 6x500lb internal with the avro rack. :rock not sure if that was used with external bombs as well

i remember hearing some of the canadian mossie vets use thoughs on night raides