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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Karnak on February 17, 2001, 04:43:00 PM
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Superfly, Natedog, please consider using this color scheme if the Spit 14 is to be a Spitfire F.MkXIVc
Left Side:
(http://francewarbirds.free.fr/Photos/Jpg/spit-sol3.jpg)
(http://francewarbirds.free.fr/Photos/Jpg/spit-sol1.jpg)
(http://www.avions-de-legende.com/avdeleg/img/25D.jpg)
Right Side:
(http://www.avions-de-legende.com/avdeleg/img/25A.jpg)
(http://francewarbirds.free.fr/Photos/Jpg/spit-sol2.jpg)
(http://www.avions-de-legende.com/avdeleg/img/25C.jpg)
Kiitos
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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Not bad... but I prefer the green/grey colour schemes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Nexx
Firebirds 56(F) Sqn
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WOW..nice
Brady
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(http://content.communities.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=MyPhotos_GetPubPhoto&photoId=nHwCwcDEJznXbXfCxAJfgD0a7w1sDVrWuMP28UBOabRCH339Yvya3KrR2Q8UMjrBJ)
[This message has been edited by brady (edited 02-17-2001).]
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It is in 'Ginger' Lacey's far east markings.
I particularly like the fact that this Spitfire has custom markings, e.g. the guantlets, the flag, the 27 German kill marks and the 1 Japanese kill mark.
Most Spits lack custom markings like that. I think it nicely separates this fighter from nearly all other British fighters. I'd also like to get an ace's aircraft.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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Nice model of one...
http://www.academy.co.kr/aero/fa139/fa139e.html (http://www.academy.co.kr/aero/fa139/fa139e.html)
Nexx
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Really nice pics, thx.
Taken by you?
Cheers,
Elk
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Please HTC, please give this one a shot in 1.06.
What do you guys like that might be, er..., given as a gift?
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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NAW.
Canadian Spit XIVe
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Now that 1.07 aircraft are being worked on, I once again submit my request to HTC.
PLEASE!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(punt)
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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Yep, time for the Brits to get some of their better planes...unperked.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Terve Karnak
Upeita kuvia spitistä!
T: Xjazz
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Toad,
Well, I'm not sure the XIV should be unperked, but I hope it will be a cheap perk, e.g. 25 points or less.
As far as better, unperked, Spitfires go, we need one or more of the following:
Spitfire MkVIII
Spitfire LF.MkIX (this is the MkIX we should have gotten in the first place)
Spitfire MkXII
Spitfire FR.MkXVIe
Other nonperk RAF aircraft that I would like to see eventually:
Beaufighter
Mosquito FB.MkVI
Mosquito FB.MkXVIII "Tse-tse"
Wellington B.MkIX (marque #?)
Hurricane MkI
Hurricane MkIIc
Hurricane MkIId
Spitfire MkIa
Wirlwind
Perked RAF aircraft that I'd like to see someday:
Spitfire F.MkXIVc
Spitfire F.Mk.21
Mosquito B.MkXVI
Mosquito NF.Mk.30
Meteor MkIII
For now though, my cry must be "BRING THE Spitfire F.MkXIVc TO ACES HIGH!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Xjazz,
If you could translate that into english, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 03-29-2001).]
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Spitfire XIV is in the same class as the La-7, Fw 190D-9, and P-51D. They should all be perked.
And the Mk. XIV should be modelled in RCAF markings.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 03-29-2001).]
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Pretty plane Karnak, however No. 17 Sqdn. didn't receive Spit XIVs until June 45 (FR. XIVe). None of the far east based Spit XIVs saw combat during WWII.
If you really want a Spit XIVc it should be from Nos. 610, 91, or 322.
No. 402 RCAF would be a good choice, operational by Aug. 44 and based on the continent (Antwerp/Deurne (B.70)) in Sept 44.
My choice might be No. 322 (Dutch) Sqdn. or No. 350 (Belgian). No. 322 was operational by March 44 flying the Spit XIVc.
No. 610 would also be an obvious choice for a Spit XIV. 610 was the first Sqdn to receive the Spit XIV (Jan 44) and flew it the longest of all Sqdns.
Other candidates would be Nos. 41 and 91, which also flew the Spit XII and No. 130.
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Other nonperk RAF aircraft that I would like to see eventually:
Wellington B.MkIX (marque #?)
Wirlwind
Well I love RAF planes but I would sooner have a Handley Page Hampden than a Vickers Wellington. The Hampden only had a slightly less payload (4000lbs as opposed to 4500lbs) and slight less defensive armament but it was vastly more manouvrable. It was also more common and very underated. Of course, this plane wouldn't stand much of a chance in the MA but would be an excellent early war buff.
As for the Whirlwind, yeah, I'd like to see that someday but only after the Mosquito. Incidently the Whirlwind flew in 263 Sqn which is the same squadron as our AH Typhoon.
Regards
Nexx
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mw,
If the Spitfire MkXIV is to be from the European Theatre I would like it in 610 Squadron colors. (I always fly in that squadron in boxed sims, if its available. In EAW I flew in 610 during the BoB, in SpitMkIs).
Replicant,
I did not know that the Hampden was more common than the Wellington. Thanks.
The Whirlwind is lowest on my list, but it IS a neat looking fighter. It was FAST for a 1940 fighter. Imaging if they'd kept developing it and stuck Merlins in it.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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In all Fairness Karnak- wouldn't the obvious choice for the Mk XIV Spit be the 402 with J. Johnson's markings? Seeing as he just passed away recently, commanded that squadron and ended the war flying that plane and was the highest scoring spit pilot of the war?
I could not even _concieve_ of it not being his- he only flew the IX and the XIV AFAIK and his XIV would both credit him and the Canadian pilots of his squadron. Or did you plan on not having any Canadian markings on a spitfire? Because the Mk V would be the only other real choice for any Canadian representation in AH in a fighter- unless somehow the P-40 ended up in RCAF livery (fat chance of that).
Sorrow (Genuinely curious).
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Originally posted by Sorrow[S=A]:
I could not even _concieve_ of it not being his- he only flew the IX and the XIV AFAIK and his XIV would both credit him and the Canadian pilots of his squadron.
Not true, Johnson flew most of Spitfire models. I'm reading his book right now and there he mentions that he flew Spit I, Spit II. I assume he flew in SpitV too. Though I agree, give a great pilot a great plane in AH (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
mx22
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Sorrow[S=A],
I would be more than happy to have it in J. E. Johnson's markings...IF he flew a razorback XIV.
Actually, I didn't know that he ever flew XIVs.
I think I'd rather have a Spitfire LF.MkIX in 'Johnnie' Johnson's markings. That way it'd be a nonperk and would be seen in the MA much more often.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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Sry I don't really like this paint scheme. Bring on a Free French Spit 14 hehehe!
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Sorry, I just can't agree.
The Spit XIV has to be UNPERKED. There is the possibility it could unbalance the arena but nonetheless, unperked.
It was built in an adequate quantity to be "representative" of the type, it's development and combat dates are suitable and compatible with aircraft of other countries now in the unperked planeset.
Besides, in the immortal words of Creamo, it would cause "tears as big as horseturds to roll down the cheeks" of the Luftwhiners.
How can we pass up an opportunity like that? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The flames from the resulting threads would heat the homes of all the elderly in the Northeast if used properly. In these times of impending energy price increases, we must do our duty!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Toad,
Maybe you're right, but I don't think we'll see it that way. As it is I see calls to perk the lowly Spitfire F.MkIX that we have.
The shrieks of horror and roars of outrage would indeed be loud if the Spitfire MkXIV were introduced unperked.
Unfortunately it would also be, by far, the most common aircraft in the MA. It'd instantly knock the F4U-1C off of its long held throne.
SFRT - Frenchy,
Nope, not gonna happen. Wouldn't be prudent. Not at this jucture. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
They just added the Tempest in the colours of Free French ace Pierre Closterman. We can't have all top end RAF aircraft being flown by Frenchmen.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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Karnak, they'll do the Meteor in RAF markings, don't worry. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Yes, bring it unperked. Make AH real 1944 sim.
D-9 can still outdive and outrun it on the deck. At high speed it can outmaneuver it and get away.
With 262, I might ask - what is a Spitfire XIV ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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If we got the 402 Mk XIV Spit with J. Johnson's markings I would banish my Chog into retirement!
Come on... the only way Canada is gonna get representation is through the XIV.
RCAF into AH!
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Mx-22
AFAIK The only planes J. Johnson ever flew in combat were an early Mk V with fabric Ailerons, the LF.MkIX he scored most of his kills in, and the MkXIV he upgraded to when his IX was struck in the wing root by a FW cannon shell and was too unservicable to be allowed to fly again when he landed. While he probably flew a Mk II in training (Was that the plane he cratered during his training flights?) and surely had ample opportunity to fly a MkI before they were all decommisioned I don't think he ever flew any other planes in combat during WWII.
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While I would prefer to get 'Ginger' Lacey's far east Spitfire MkXIV, any markings will suffice as long as it is a Spitfire F.MkXIVc.
I want the option to take 2 20mm Hispano MkIIs and 4 .303 Brownings.
I don't like bubble canopies and I don't like clipped wings. Anybody who wants that, please go fly a P-51D Mustang. Its got both already.
Thank you for your attention.
BTW, do any of you know if Air Vice-Marshal J.E.Johnson's markings included his kill markers?
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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The only place I have seen a picture of JEJ mk XIV was in a package of 1/48 scale decals. It was an E.
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I want the option to take 2 20mm Hispano MkIIs and 4 .303 Brownings.
I don't like bubble canopies and I don't like clipped wings.
Then fly a Mk. XII. No reason to neuter the Mk. XIV just to satisfy your PREversions. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Yep Sorrow,
My original post was to the guy who said that Johnson didn't fly in anything, but SpitIX and SpitXIV. So I just pointed out that he flew most of the widely produced Spitfires (he also flew a pressurized version, SpitVIII?, for some time, I have to get home and look into the book for a Mk number).
mx22
Originally posted by Sorrow[S=A]:
Mx-22
AFAIK The only planes J. Johnson ever flew in combat were an early Mk V with fabric Ailerons, the LF.MkIX he scored most of his kills in, and the MkXIV he upgraded to when his IX was struck in the wing root by a FW cannon shell and was too unservicable to be allowed to fly again when he landed. While he probably flew a Mk II in training (Was that the plane he cratered during his training flights?) and surely had ample opportunity to fly a MkI before they were all decommisioned I don't think he ever flew any other planes in combat during WWII.
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Funked,
Why can't we get a MkXIV that has both options, 2 20mm and 4 .303s or 2 20mm and 2 .50s?
Our Spitfire MkIX has those options.
The Spitfire MkXII would hardly address the inadequacies that the Spitfire is suffering in AH right now. The MkXII also has the hideous clipped wings.
Don't turn the Spitfire MkXIV into a P-51D wannabe. The P-51 is UGLY, I'd rather not have my Spitfire redone along the aesthetic lines of an ugly airplane.
If you want a bubble canopy and clipped wings, fly the P-51D. It has both, you'll love it.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak