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Title: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Mus51 on March 17, 2010, 11:26:18 AM
I get tired of spitfires 4k lower then me climbing up to me catching me in a climb i started at 400 mph. They should perk it IMO
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on March 17, 2010, 11:28:49 AM
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,283905.0.html

Go here... read... then agree that even the spixteen really doesnt need to be :aok
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SlapShot on March 17, 2010, 02:59:36 PM
I get tired of spitfires 4k lower then me climbing up to me catching me in a climb i started at 400 mph. They should perk it IMO

 :rofl
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: waystin2 on March 17, 2010, 03:09:55 PM
Simply speechless on this one... :uhoh
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Bronk on March 17, 2010, 03:40:16 PM
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
:lol
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: RTHolmes on March 17, 2010, 05:06:54 PM
 :rofl
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: uptown on March 17, 2010, 05:39:35 PM
It's so cute though. Do we really have to perk them?  (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/spitfire_cartoon.jpg)
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: grizz441 on March 17, 2010, 05:41:18 PM
I get tired of spitfires 4k lower then me climbing up to me catching me in a climb i started at 400 mph. They should perk it IMO

Yeah, ok.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: MachFly on March 17, 2010, 06:59:43 PM
I get tired of spitfires 4k lower then me climbing up to me catching me in a climb i started at 400 mph. They should perk it IMO

Do you fly WWI aircraft in WWII arena by any chance?
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: ACE on March 17, 2010, 07:13:21 PM
Spits will never be perked.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SIK1 on March 17, 2010, 07:42:59 PM
Umm, well you see..... Ah never mind.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: TonyJoey on March 17, 2010, 07:54:27 PM
 :lol, NO!
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Latrobe on March 17, 2010, 11:26:55 PM
I get tired of spitfires 4k lower then me climbing up to me catching me in a climb i started at 400 mph. They should perk it IMO

Us Spitdweebs can be quite annoying, can't we.  :D
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Mus51 on March 18, 2010, 12:08:12 AM
Haha, its quite funny when i read it again. A whine has been recorded.. I HATE SPITFIRES!!  :rofl
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 18, 2010, 02:47:50 AM
learn to counter them properly, flyboy
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 18, 2010, 12:43:19 PM
learn to counter them properly, flyboy

Why don't you post a film showing us all how to counter one properly?  I'm sure your experten grasp of basic aerodynamics, you'll be able to show us all how it's done.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ghosth on March 18, 2010, 12:47:19 PM
Ever heard of a lead turn? They work in the vertical just as well as the horizontal.

Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: ACE on March 18, 2010, 05:22:32 PM
learn to counter them properly, flyboy
lol
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on March 18, 2010, 09:33:44 PM
learn to counter them properly, flyboy
fly a few more years mate...
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 18, 2010, 11:32:53 PM
I have no idea what youre flying, but in a p38, dive away from spit. in a buff, its all up to the gunner
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Banshee7 on March 18, 2010, 11:37:15 PM
Why don't you post a film showing us all how to counter one properly?  I'm sure your experten grasp of basic aerodynamics, you'll be able to show us all how it's done.


ack-ack

I'm sure he won't be able to zoom in enough to show us anything worth watching...
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 19, 2010, 12:04:48 AM
I have no idea what youre flying, but in a p38, dive away from spit. in a buff, its all up to the gunner

How is diving countering a Spitfire?  Also, please explain how diving away from a Spitfire Mk VIII, IX, XIV, or XVI is going to save you?  You have to be careful with the P-38's speed in a dive, these Spitfires will be able to keep up with you and will get you as you level out in a dive. Sure, with the built up energy you might be able to keep them out of gun range for a few minutes but eventually they'll catch up and you'll have to fight.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: MachFly on March 19, 2010, 12:23:12 AM
How is diving countering a Spitfire?  Also, please explain how diving away from a Spitfire Mk VIII, IX, XIV, or XVI is going to save you?  You have to be careful with the P-38's speed in a dive, these Spitfires will be able to keep up with you and will get you as you level out in a dive. Sure, with the built up energy you might be able to keep them out of gun range for a few minutes but eventually they'll catch up and you'll have to fight.


ack-ack

Spitfire is not the best at high speed (not talking about XIV), therefor in planes such as P-51, Tiffy, temp, 190D, 109K, or F4U-4 you should be able to get away if not starting at low speed. Then thous other slower airplanes are capable of out turning a spitfire and winning that way. Spitfire can do everything, but it's not the best at anything. So as long as the other pilot does what did aircraft is best at, he should win. Plus it's not the airplane, it's the pilot that matters.
I would call it the best, but I would not say that it should be perked (well...maybe XVI).
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 19, 2010, 12:52:58 AM
Spitfire is not the best at high speed (not talking about XIV), therefor in planes such as P-51, Tiffy, temp, 190D, 109K, or F4U-4 you should be able to get away if not starting at low speed. Then thous other slower airplanes are capable of out turning a spitfire and winning that way. Spitfire can do everything, but it's not the best at anything. So as long as the other pilot does what did aircraft is best at, he should win. Plus it's not the airplane, it's the pilot that matters.
I would call it the best, but I would not say that it should be perked (well...maybe XVI).

I wasn't referring to any other plane besides the P-38.  The only Spitfires the P-38 can easily out dive and escape from are the Mk I, V and Seafire.  Let me make myself a little more clearer, the P-38 can out dive any of the Spitfires, however, 95% of those flying the P-38 will enter into compressability and auger because they couldn't pull out of the dive due to their high speed.  So diving away isn't really the best escape from a Spitfire unless you know what you're doing and as we all know, 95% of those that fly the P-38 couldn't turn on the 2nd engine if it wasn't for the auto-start up.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 19, 2010, 04:06:40 AM
I wasn't referring to any other plane besides the P-38.  The only Spitfires the P-38 can easily out dive and escape from are the Mk I, V and Seafire.  Let me make myself a little more clearer, the P-38 can out dive any of the Spitfires, however, 95% of those flying the P-38 will enter into compressability and auger because they couldn't pull out of the dive due to their high speed.  So diving away isn't really the best escape from a Spitfire unless you know what you're doing and as we all know, 95% of those that fly the P-38 couldn't turn on the 2nd engine if it wasn't for the auto-start up.


ack-ack
the p38 has dive flaps ya know
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: uptown on March 19, 2010, 06:23:26 AM
the p38 has dive flaps ya know
you don't want to go there young man  :old:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: MachFly on March 19, 2010, 09:28:11 AM
I wasn't referring to any other plane besides the P-38.  The only Spitfires the P-38 can easily out dive and escape from are the Mk I, V and Seafire.  Let me make myself a little more clearer, the P-38 can out dive any of the Spitfires, however, 95% of those flying the P-38 will enter into compressability and auger because they couldn't pull out of the dive due to their high speed.  So diving away isn't really the best escape from a Spitfire unless you know what you're doing and as we all know, 95% of those that fly the P-38 couldn't turn on the 2nd engine if it wasn't for the auto-start up.


ack-ack

I see your point.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 19, 2010, 12:14:00 PM
the p38 has dive flaps ya know

In case you haven't figured it out kiddo, the Lightning is the only plane I fly.  I've been flying the P-38 in online sims since probably before you were born.  Having said that, as I mentioned previously, diving away is not a good counter to use against a Spitfire.  In fact, it's not a counter at all but rather an escape attempt.  The reason why I said "attempt" is that's all it will end up being. 


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 19, 2010, 12:20:34 PM
whats your tag  online? and who do ya fly for? ill make it a point to go after ya in a spit and see how long you last.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SIK1 on March 19, 2010, 12:22:38 PM
whats your tag  online? and who do ya fly for? ill make it a point to go after ya in a spit and see how long you last.

 :huh  :O   :rofl  :rofl   :aok

He'll last a lot longer than you will.

 :rofl  :rofl  :rofl

Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: mechanic on March 19, 2010, 12:42:53 PM
cobra, how is hunting ack-ack going to demonstrate your effective counters against spitfires?  :confused:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SIK1 on March 19, 2010, 12:47:43 PM
He'll get to see how ack-ack does it. :D
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: mechanic on March 19, 2010, 12:50:59 PM
lol Sik, true. I speak from first hand experience, this is going to hurt, cobra :D
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 19, 2010, 12:56:44 PM
whats your tag  online? and who do ya fly for? ill make it a point to go after ya in a spit and see how long you last.

My in game handle is AKAK, usually fly in the MW arena but I'm willing to cross the wrong side of the tracks and fly in the LW.  

Actually, a better idea would be to set up a meeting time in the DA and have a series of fights in there.  I'll fly the P-38J and you can fly any of the Spitfires.  After each fight, you can move onto the next Spitfire variant until we run out of Spitfires for me to shoot down.  By having the fight in the DA we ensure that we have a 1v1 fight without anyone interfering, the fights will be co-altitude and a fair fight.  If after teh first fight it becomes clearly evident that you are extremely over matched, I will handicap myself by flying with a heavier fuel load to restrict my manueverability.

Do you agree to these terms?


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: waystin2 on March 19, 2010, 01:04:05 PM
whats your tag  online? and who do ya fly for? ill make it a point to go after ya in a spit and see how long you last.

Enjoy... :aok :rofl
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Plazus on March 19, 2010, 02:08:52 PM
Lol. Aint nothing like an old fashioned butt whooping.  :D
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Shifty on March 19, 2010, 02:25:36 PM
whats your tag  online? and who do ya fly for? ill make it a point to go after ya in a spit and see how long you last.

 :lol

School is about to be in session.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: gyrene81 on March 19, 2010, 02:28:39 PM
whats your tag  online? and who do ya fly for? ill make it a point to go after ya in a spit and see how long you last.
:O LMFAO...I thought I had brass testicles hunting AckAck in his 38...you would have been better off taking on Shuffler first, he might be just a tad easier...at least you would learn something before you got to AckAck.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: phatzo on March 19, 2010, 05:22:01 PM
heard on range vox often and said by myself "Chit, AKAK's looking at me.". Usually ends not long after that, good luck kingcobradude.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Bruv119 on March 19, 2010, 05:30:54 PM
I get tired of spitfires 4k lower then me climbing up to me catching me in a climb i started at 400 mph. They should perk it IMO

 :lol
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: MachFly on March 19, 2010, 05:53:59 PM
whats your tag  online? and who do ya fly for? ill make it a point to go after ya in a spit and see how long you last.

good luck   :noid


 :rofl
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: TonyJoey on March 19, 2010, 06:02:45 PM
whats your tag  online? and who do ya fly for? ill make it a point to go after ya in a spit and see how long you last.


 :O

(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4518/db680catownageimminent.jpg)
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 2ADoc on March 19, 2010, 06:22:24 PM
WOW, I have left an area cause I know AKAK is there.  Goonwithyobadsef, and have fun kingcobradude.  AKAK you gotta post the results of this humbling expierence for the young man.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: uptown on March 19, 2010, 06:27:29 PM
whats your tag  online? and who do ya fly for? ill make it a point to go after ya in a spit and see how long you last.
:rofl I like your spirit.

Here's a tip for ya. When a big P38 is swooping down on you like a pissed condor, type .join ackack  :D

In all seriousness though if you do accept this challenge, record it and go back to the films and see what you did wrong. You have a good opportunity here to learn a few things. Good luck to ya.....you'll need it.  :salute
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: ink on March 19, 2010, 06:37:36 PM
well I guess I'm different then most, when I know there is a good stick on opposite side I want to get into it with them, for there lies the way of uberness  :D

fighting one that can own you over and over, maybe he will be kind enough to tell ya what can be improved in your game :x

About 5 years ago, I fought someone that is renown for being very good,  6 times I tried to kill him each time he handed me my arse, around 4 years later, I met up with him in the MA, I happen to have ALT on him but he has a couple friendlies with him, I killed him and his two buddies I was in a hurri2, so I head for home I look back and see a Hurri2 has rolled after me, I stay on my RTB route till he gets within 2k, we are at equal E-states, I do a shallow split S, and engage him, it was a good fight but he went down, it was same guy, one of the best days in AH for me.

Never back down from a fight NO matter who it is with, best way to improve your game :aok
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 19, 2010, 06:40:32 PM
well I guess I'm different then most, when I know there is a good stick on opposite side I want to get into it with them, for there lies the way of uberness  :D

fighting one that can own you over and over, maybe he will be kind enough to tell ya what can be improved in your game :x

About 5 years ago, I fought someone that is renown for being very good,  6 times I tried to kill him each time he handed me my arse, around 4 years later, I met up with him in the MA, I happen to have ALT on him but he has a couple friendlies with him, I killed him and his two buddies I was in a hurri2, so I head for home I look back and see a Hurri2 has rolled after me, I stay on my RTB route till he gets within 2k, we are at equal E-states, I do a shallow split S, and engage him, it was a good fight but he went down, it was same guy, one of the best days in AH for me.

Never back down from a fight NO matter who it is with, best way to improve your game :aok
If I loose, I would like him to give me advice to help me improve my flying. if I shoot him down, Go me. :rock
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Bronk on March 19, 2010, 06:42:15 PM
When I loose, I would like him to give me advice to help me improve my flying.

Fixed
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Koendog on March 19, 2010, 06:47:10 PM
Film please!  :airplane:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 19, 2010, 06:56:43 PM
Fixed
not that i plan on losing. I am goinna win this
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Banshee7 on March 19, 2010, 06:57:42 PM
not that i plan on losing. I am goinna win this

And Clay Aitken is straight...
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SIK1 on March 19, 2010, 06:59:50 PM
I agree with ink on this. Look for the guy that's better than you, if you want to get better. Mediocrity only leads to mediocrity that's why you look for people like ack-ack, widewing, or shane too name just a few. Sure you'll end up back in the tower a lot, but it's not like you're really dieing, and you get an unlimited supply of planes for your fifteen dollars a month.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 19, 2010, 07:03:38 PM
Film please!  :airplane:
ill record official film
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Banshee7 on March 19, 2010, 07:12:53 PM
how about you BOTH post films...
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 19, 2010, 07:14:08 PM
ok that works too
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 19, 2010, 07:18:25 PM
not that i plan on losing. I am goinna win this

The Impossible Dream
To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go
To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star

This is my quest
To follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far

To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march into Hell
For a heavenly cause

And I know if I'll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest

And the world will be better for this
That one man, scorned and covered with scars
Still strove with his last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable star


All kidding aside, my challenge is not meant to be a 'schooling session' or otherwise embarrass you in anyway.  My intent, through an bellybutton kicking, is intended to show you that 'diving' away is not a proper counter for being bounced by an attacking bandit.  It is intended to show you that you have a choice, you an either tuck tail and dive and try to escape or you can be aggressive and counter the attack and seize the offensive.  Hopefully, if you film the fights, will also give you some idea as to how to fight in a P-38.  Basically, it's the virtual equivelent of throwing someone that doesn't know how to swim in a pool to force them to learn how to swim or sink.

When would be a good time to meet up this weekend and what is the handle you use in game so I can contact you while online?

ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 19, 2010, 07:36:00 PM
promie that if I do lose you will help me get better?
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 19, 2010, 08:03:45 PM
I don't mind giving you some help afterwards.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 2ADoc on March 19, 2010, 08:43:51 PM
That is what makes AKAK, well AKAK.  He is a great pilot, and will help the new, younger, and less experienced pilots.  As he hands them their ARSE, and he wont talk smack unless it is talked to him first.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 19, 2010, 08:52:20 PM
tomorrow at 8 pm.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 19, 2010, 09:21:31 PM
tomorrow at 8 pm.

Pacific or Eastern time?


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 19, 2010, 09:22:45 PM
central
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on March 19, 2010, 11:23:49 PM
not that i plan on losing. I am goinna win this
you winning against ackack in his p38 is like playing 100% of the notes of through the fire and flames on guitar hero, or like being a dog and living after eating a lb of chocolate, or like being able to score with a Kim Karsashian that isnt snobby or evil, or its like winning a fight against chuck norris' big toe... :rofl
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 20, 2010, 12:43:17 AM
you winning against ackack in his p38 is like playing 100% of the notes of through the fire and flames on guitar hero, or like being a dog and living after eating a lb of chocolate, or like being able to score with a Kim Karsashian that isnt snobby or evil, or its like winning a fight against chuck norris' big toe... :rofl
I can play through the fire and flames 100%.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: EskimoJoe on March 20, 2010, 01:51:57 AM
I can play through the fire and flames 100%.

Beginner mode doesn't count.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 20, 2010, 02:03:15 AM
Beginner mode doesn't count.
what about expert mode? or on real guitar?
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on March 20, 2010, 06:39:23 AM
Ok so the people who MADE the song cant even play it fully on a real guitar and even said that they took sound bytes of correct pieces to play in Guitar Hero... kingcobra you cant play that song. Yet you missed my Chuck Norris punchline also! :headscratch: winning a fight with the one true Norris is much harder than playing that sone... :lol
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: uptown on March 20, 2010, 10:46:04 AM
It's good to see one of the respected vets in the game helping a new guy out.  :aok :salute
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: guncrasher on March 20, 2010, 02:24:37 PM
 perking the spitfires because they kill ya its kinda like getting rid of the 262 so sweet grizz wont up one.

semp
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 2ADoc on March 20, 2010, 02:53:36 PM
Unperk the C-hog :bolt:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: MachFly on March 20, 2010, 02:53:52 PM
perking the spitfires because they kill ya its kinda like getting rid of the 262 so sweet grizz wont up one.

semp

 :rofl
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 20, 2010, 06:24:27 PM
if ack ack is no show, win for me.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Tarstar on March 20, 2010, 06:25:38 PM
It's so cute though. Do we really have to perk them?  (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/spitfire_cartoon.jpg)

 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: uptown on March 20, 2010, 06:34:33 PM
if ack ack is no show, win for me.
:lol If he don't show, it's because something in the real world came up. I'd suggest you get to dueling with the best stick you know if you even want half a chance of getting guns on him, much less shoot him down. :joystick:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 20, 2010, 06:35:44 PM
well if he messages me, we can reschedule, but if I dont haer a word from him, i win
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on March 20, 2010, 07:38:52 PM
Unperk the C-hog :bolt:
then everyone will fly cannon F4Us everywhere
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 20, 2010, 08:01:29 PM
well if he messages me, we can reschedule, but if I dont haer a word from him, i win

It's 6pm now and I'm in the DA and you're not.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 20, 2010, 09:20:01 PM
Interesting duels to say the least.  Think he learned that diving isn't the best counter.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 20, 2010, 09:22:44 PM
Interesting duels to say the least.  Think he learned that diving isn't the best counter.


ack-ack
I got u once
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Bronk on March 20, 2010, 09:31:25 PM
Film??
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Banshee7 on March 20, 2010, 09:46:55 PM
Film??

I just wanna know his Game ID  :lol

Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SIK1 on March 20, 2010, 09:50:02 PM
I went to the DA when this took place and even rode along with Ack-Ack for one of his fights. When I left it was 5-0 Ack-Ack.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 20, 2010, 09:51:00 PM
I got him once. I filmed the hole thing, just have to figure out how to post it
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Penguin on March 20, 2010, 09:53:40 PM
Sure you do cobra, you got owned, admit it.

Score one for the Ackmeister!

-Penguin
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 20, 2010, 09:57:36 PM
one fight of about 6, he did well
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 20, 2010, 10:00:59 PM
I got u once

The only time you got me is when you insisted I fly a D.VII against you in a P-38, in a fight that amounted to you extending d2.0 out and then doing a 180 degree turn and coming back for a head on pass.  Unfortunately, I was not able to roll my World War I plane fast enough to avoid your 2nd or 3rd HO attempt and got hit in the wings and engine.  That was the only time you won.


Film??

Yeah, got about 6 or 7 films that show him diving on merge and either stalling out and crashing because he couldn't keep out of an accelerated stall or my saddling up on his six and shooting individual pieces of his plane before finishing him off.  He even called for me to break off after I saddled up, apparently I wasn't allowed to get on his six because it was unfair.  When I upped a Mossie against his P-51D, he actually told me to dump my ammo into the ground...not just some of it but all of it.  When I refused, he then insisted I not shoot at him.  I finally relented and agreed to dump my ammo but informed him that I will not dump it into the ground but rather will dump it into his plane.

Nor would he follow the agreement of we had established in this thread of co-altitude duels, only for the first few did but then later would come in 5k or more at the merge and HOing each and every time.  

I hope he filmed the fights as well and watches the films so he can see where he lost the fights.  If he can't figure out where he lost it, I'll help out by saying that he lost the fights at the merge.  He insisted on only trying to use a head on merge, firing all the way through.  With the exception of the D.VII fight, his head on merge was easy to avoid and then it was just a matter of doing a basic Immelman Turn to saddle up on his six and get the kill.

Honestly, if he took the time out to read and learn BFM as well as the all important ACM, he has the potential of possibly becoming more than just your average MA cannon fodder but he has to learn to take a critical eye on his flying and see what he is doing wrong instead of trying to orchistrate each fight to ensure he as an advantage.  He isn't always going to run into a D.VII in a P-38J.

He would really benefit from Shaw's book (though he may need to get a little more experience so he could understand the terms in Shaw's book) and from going to Netaces.org and the AH training site.  The first thing he should do is seek out a trainer to get the ball rolling.

I just wanna know his Game ID  :lol

Cobra.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SIK1 on March 20, 2010, 10:02:06 PM
LOL the fight I saw he (Ack-Ack) owned you, and probably didn't even have to put down his drink.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 20, 2010, 10:06:22 PM
The only time you got me is when you insisted I fly a D.VII against you in a P-38, in a fight that amounted to you extending d2.0 out and then doing a 180 degree turn and coming back for a head on pass.  Unfortunately, I was not able to roll my World War I plane fast enough to avoid your 2nd or 3rd HO attempt and got hit in the wings and engine.  That was the only time you won.


Yeah, got about 6 or 7 films that show him diving on merge and either stalling out and crashing because he couldn't keep out of an accelerated stall or my saddling up on his six and shooting individual pieces of his plane before finishing him off.  He even called for me to break off after I saddled up, apparently I wasn't allowed to get on his six because it was unfair.  When I upped a Mossie against his P-51D, he actually told me to dump my ammo into the ground...not just some of it but all of it.  When I refused, he then insisted I not shoot at him.  I finally relented and agreed to dump my ammo but informed him that I will not dump it into the ground but rather will dump it into his plane.

Nor would he follow the agreement of we had established in this thread of co-altitude duels, only for the first few did but then later would come in 5k or more at the merge and HOing each and every time. 

I hope he filmed the fights as well and watches the films so he can see where he lost the fights.  If he can't figure out where he lost it, I'll help out by saying that he lost the fights at the merge.  He insisted on only trying to use a head on merge, firing all the way through.  With the exception of the D.VII fight, his head on merge was easy to avoid and then it was just a matter of doing a basic Immelman Turn to saddle up on his six and get the kill.

Honestly, if he took the time out to read and learn BFM as well as the all important ACM, he has the potential of possibly becoming more than just your average MA cannon fodder but he has to learn to take a critical eye on his flying and see what he is doing wrong instead of trying to orchistrate each fight to ensure he as an advantage.  He isn't always going to run into a D.VII in a P-38J.

He would really benefit from Shaw's book (though he may need to get a little more experience so he could understand the terms in Shaw's book) and from going to Netaces.org and the AH training site.  The first thing he should do is seek out a trainer to get the ball rolling.

Cobra.


ack-ack
Well everytime I try any maneuber, I spin out despite having E flyin out my ears. did you change something to give you an advantage, ack ack

and I saw you warp a lot
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SIK1 on March 20, 2010, 10:09:13 PM
Why is it that every time a squeaker gets his head handed to him he has some lame arse excuse?
He out flew you plain and simple. If you would shut your mouth and actually try to learn something maybe, just maybe you might put up a decent fight someday, but I highly doubt it.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 20, 2010, 10:10:42 PM
one obvious thing is the planes dont handle as they do in real life
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Nemisis on March 20, 2010, 10:13:22 PM
Lol, are you serious? I've killed a Spit XIV in a P-40, and thats the most BA spit there is :banana:. They're nothing more than gnats buzzing around unless flown by an ace, or they get you when low and slow.


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SIK1 on March 20, 2010, 10:14:16 PM
The obvious thing is you don't know what you're talking about. You even said something that proves it in one of your posts. I let you try and figure out which one.

With an attitude like yours don't expect much help from this community.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 20, 2010, 10:15:45 PM
Well everytime I try any maneuber, I spin out despite having E flyin out my ears. did you change something to give you an advantage, ack ack

and I saw you warp a lot

I explained to you why you kept stalling out.  You're ham fisted on the controls and pulling back hard on the stick, pulling far too many G's and getting into an accelerated stall.  As for the warping...my connections looked fine, net status was clean and neither of us appeared to be warping at any time.  You only started with the warping BS after the 4th or 5th time I shot you down.  The time you accused me of warping, we didn't have a visual on each other.  You even accused me of trying to intentionally ram you in the Mossie vs. P-51D fight.

As for trying to change things for the advantage...well kiddo...as you agreed to the terms outlined in this thread for our duel, you wouldn't follow them and tried at every turn to give yourself the advantage to insisting I fly the Brewster or dumping all of my ammo and not shoot at you to insisting on being able to fly as high as you and not engage co-altitude.  

ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: kingcobradude on March 20, 2010, 10:17:33 PM
The obvious thing is you don't know what you're talking about. You even said something that proves it in one of your posts. I let you try and figure out which one.

With an attitude like yours don't expect much help from this community.
I prefer to learn solo
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 20, 2010, 10:18:13 PM
one obvious thing is the planes dont handle as they do in real life

And you know how these planes handled in real life?  The problem is not with the planes, the flight model or anything other than with the person in control of said airplane.

You really should rethink that 'I prefer to learn solo' crap.  It's not going to make you a better pilot at all.  Go to the training arena and get a trainer to help you learn BFM (Basic Flight Maneuvers) until you can maneuver your plane without getting into an accelerated stall.  Once you're able to do that, then it's time to start on the more advanced concepts and start cutting your teeth on learning ACM (Air Combat Maneuvering).  Between training sessions with a trainer, go to Netaces.org (http://www.netaces.org) and read all the write ups that are posted in relation to dogfighting.  No shame in asking for help when you need it and don't let your little ego keep you from doing it.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SIK1 on March 20, 2010, 10:19:05 PM
Then you won't learn anything at all. Except how to play with yourself. :joystick:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Banshee7 on March 20, 2010, 10:32:07 PM
IDK SIK....his school teaches GIMP and Photoshop...they may teach that, too!
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Lusche on March 20, 2010, 10:49:59 PM
The most important thing in learning anything ain't having the best teacher, ain't having the best books or illustrations, ain't having the best equipment.

It is having an open & humble mind.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SIK1 on March 20, 2010, 11:04:26 PM
The most important thing in learning anything ain't having the best teacher, ain't having the best books or illustrations, ain't having the best equipment.

It is having an open & humble mind.

That's it right there.

It seems like the kids today( I know not all, but quite a few) get all bent out of shape when you try to teach them something. Like you are slighting them somehow because they don't know. There is no shame in admitting that you don't know. The shame is in saying you know and not having a clue.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 20, 2010, 11:54:18 PM
One last question...what was the deal with the rockets when you upped the P-38L?  You know those aren't air to air rockets, right?  Have to admit, not often does someone attempt to HO me with HVARs.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: phatzo on March 21, 2010, 12:27:59 AM
One last question...what was the deal with the rockets when you upped the P-38L?  You know those aren't air to air rockets, right?  Have to admit, not often does someone attempt to HO me with HVARs.

ack-ack
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: cactuskooler on March 21, 2010, 01:33:41 AM
promie that if I do lose you will help me get better?

I prefer to learn solo

Well you had the right idea at one point.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on March 21, 2010, 05:45:25 AM
one obvious thing is the planes dont handle as they do in real life
kingcobra, this is the point to shut it before the maiming from the 300 sharks waiting to mess with you begins... and btw, dont handle as they do in real life? this either means youre from WWII or 12 years old or your nemesis  :lol
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Bronk on March 21, 2010, 06:08:54 AM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SlapShot on March 21, 2010, 08:54:49 AM
one obvious thing is the planes dont handle as they do in real life

did you change something to give you an advantage, ack ack

and I saw you warp a lot

Why is it that every time a squeaker gets his head handed to him he has some lame arse excuse?

"There is always a small microcosm of people who need to explain away their suckage."

Ack-Ack ... we gonna see any film ? ... or are you trying to save him from further embarrassment ?
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SlapShot on March 21, 2010, 09:01:04 AM
If I loose, I would like him to give me advice to help me improve my flying. if I shoot him down, Go me. :rock

I prefer to learn solo

Yup ... your gonna go a long way in real life ... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on March 21, 2010, 09:23:21 AM
I think cobras's off his rocker...is there even a rocker that he should be in anyways? :noid
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: uptown on March 21, 2010, 09:27:45 AM
 :rofl rockets and D.VII? WTF kind of duel was going on here?  :rofl  :rolleyes:

I never heard of someone calling someone out in a duel and then wanting them to dump all their ammo in the ground either.  :headscratch: This watermelon is comedy gold!  :banana:








Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: uptown on March 21, 2010, 09:56:41 AM
pm sent
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: stodd on March 21, 2010, 03:08:21 PM
This thread is epic.

 Kingcobra FTW?!?!?




 :rofl
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: xthecatx on March 22, 2010, 03:32:59 AM
NO  :mad:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 23, 2010, 01:41:06 AM
"There is always a small microcosm of people who need to explain away their suckage."

Ack-Ack ... we gonna see any film ? ... or are you trying to save him from further embarrassment ?

Due to popular demand, I bring you an Ack-Ack Production of..."Bring the Amber Lamps!: a.k.a "Why are you being so hostile bro?" (http://www.mediafire.com/?gm4zmmwjovj)

If anyone downloads and watches these films hoping to learn something from my awesome flying, look elsewhere.  The only things these films are good for is laughs, lots of them.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: BrownBaron on March 23, 2010, 01:51:47 AM
......Popping popcorn while I wait for the D/L to finish... :x
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Scherf on March 23, 2010, 05:37:24 AM
That's just....

 :headscratch:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: uptown on March 23, 2010, 07:36:57 AM
 :rofl Woot! I needed a good laugh to start the day :rock

Cobra...dude, change your name. If anyone is in need for a shade, it is you bro. If you really want to win fights you have to look a trainer up. I don't know what was funnier, the chat or the flying. You bit off a tad bit more then you could chew huh?  :rofl


You know what though? The sad part is that they're hundreds more just like him  :cry  It looks like he came straight out of Modern Warfare  :rolleyes: You could tell right away he hadn't been taught much. Well, until the duel anyway  :rofl.
Guys like this IMO, is why so many folks get sick of the game play. Kids that think they can up a Spit or 51 and just clean house and when they find out it's not that easy, they'll up a cannon bird and go for the face shots. Unbelievable  :salute

 



Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on March 23, 2010, 09:00:10 AM
Simply speechless on this one... :uhoh

Me too. Can we just agree that this is retarded and move on?

I mean, this is just dumb not that there's anything wrong with abject stupidity. It's a mode of thinking and behavior of equal valdiity to many in the pantheon of public faces.

The originator complains that "he's tired of...". Last I checked, his whimsical feelings had little bearing on the objective performance of the AC in question nor do they, in and of themselves, justify changing the whole freaking game.

Fly a Spit. See what it's like.

I, for one, am sicking of upping a Spit and losing a wing to every passing clown in a P-47M or Typh. Low and slow, I can work with them. But you don't always choose your opponent when you fly a Spit.

I still love the 109s and D9, just to tell you I'm not solely flying Spits.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: ink on March 23, 2010, 12:45:27 PM
well I think im dumber now for watching that absolutely clueless individual, ACK ACK you got way more patience than I do,  I :salute you.


oh ya can you get me a lag-switch, I will pay whatever it takes :rofl
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on March 23, 2010, 01:37:28 PM
:O LMFAO...I thought I had brass testicles hunting AckAck in his 38...you would have been better off taking on Shuffler first, he might be just a tad easier...at least you would learn something before you got to AckAck.

Shuffler's a tad easier? I was on his six... once. I survived a dogfight with him... for a little while.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on March 23, 2010, 01:41:25 PM
well I guess I'm different then most, when I know there is a good stick on opposite side I want to get into it with them, for there lies the way of uberness  :D

fighting one that can own you over and over, maybe he will be kind enough to tell ya what can be improved in your game :x

About 5 years ago, I fought someone that is renown for being very good,  6 times I tried to kill him each time he handed me my arse, around 4 years later, I met up with him in the MA, I happen to have ALT on him but he has a couple friendlies with him, I killed him and his two buddies I was in a hurri2, so I head for home I look back and see a Hurri2 has rolled after me, I stay on my RTB route till he gets within 2k, we are at equal E-states, I do a shallow split S, and engage him, it was a good fight but he went down, it was same guy, one of the best days in AH for me.

Never back down from a fight NO matter who it is with, best way to improve your game :aok

Amen.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on March 23, 2010, 01:49:33 PM
one obvious thing is the planes dont handle as they do in real life

Really?

So, you have a lot of stick time in Spits and '38s, then?

Pardon me, I think I need to go clean myself up.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on March 23, 2010, 01:52:18 PM
Then you won't learn anything at all. Except how to play with yourself. :joystick:

Something tells me expert level has already been reached in that endeavor.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on March 23, 2010, 01:55:22 PM
One last question...what was the deal with the rockets when you upped the P-38L?  You know those aren't air to air rockets, right?  Have to admit, not often does someone attempt to HO me with HVARs.

ack-ack

I've seen this before too. I chalked it up to someone jettisoning the weight (might've been).

I admit curiosity. What would happen in the unlikely event an a-g rocket hit you midair? Would the impact on the nose be sufficient to even detonate said projectile or would it pass through without detonation? I guess my cruiosity applies to both AH and RW.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Puck on March 23, 2010, 02:13:36 PM
So...after bludgeoning my way through this thread I have two questions:

1. Are we perking spitfires now?
2. Do I have to talk smack to get lessons from Ack-Ack or can I just ask politely?
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ruah on March 23, 2010, 02:28:04 PM
So...after bludgeoning my way through this thread I have two questions:

1. Are we perking spitfires now?
2. Do I have to talk smack to get lessons from Ack-Ack or can I just ask politely?

1) no
2) lol
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 23, 2010, 02:29:44 PM
I've seen this before too. I chalked it up to someone jettisoning the weight (might've been).

I admit curiosity. What would happen in the unlikely event an a-g rocket hit you midair? Would the impact on the nose be sufficient to even detonate said projectile or would it pass through without detonation? I guess my cruiosity applies to both AH and RW.

It would detonate and blow the plane out of the sky.  There was a flight I had many years ago in the P-38L where I was lugging some bombs and a rocket to hit a V base when I stumbled on a formation of B-17s and fired my rockets at them in more of a chits and giggles sort of thing when my rockets actually hit the lead and starboard B-17s, killing them both in a blazing display of pyrotechnics.  The only other time I've ever killed an airplane with HVARs when Murdr and I were vulching using our rockets.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 23, 2010, 02:31:34 PM

2. Do I have to talk smack to get lessons from Ack-Ack or can I just ask politely?

You just have to smile and bat your lashes in my direction.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: grizz441 on March 23, 2010, 02:32:56 PM
You just have to smile and bat your lashes in my direction.


ack-ack

It puts the lotion on its skin.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on March 23, 2010, 02:36:28 PM
It puts the lotion on its skin.

... you don't know real pain!
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 23, 2010, 02:43:10 PM
It puts the lotion on its skin.

Good-bye horses, I'm flying over you
Good-bye horses, I'm flying over you
Good-bye horses, I'm flying over you
Good-bye horses, I'm flying, flying, flying over you


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: maddafinga on March 23, 2010, 02:46:56 PM
It puts the lotion on its skin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ToNZHG5KHw

Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: uptown on March 23, 2010, 03:26:21 PM
You just have to smile and bat your lashes in my direction.


ack-ack
I call BS :noid
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Plawranc on March 25, 2010, 06:45:03 AM
A Spitfire is easy to PWN, I should know because I fly them and know them back to front (In this Game).

Energy is the prime factor in fighting Spits, keep it. Never turn with it unless you are a devoted turner such as a Zeke or Hurri. Always be agressive when fighting Spits, that early cheap shot works wonders on the Spitfires light framework.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on March 25, 2010, 07:18:14 AM
A Spitfire is easy to PWN, I should know because I fly them and know them back to front (In this Game).

Energy is the prime factor in fighting Spits, keep it. Never turn with it unless you are a devoted turner such as a Zeke or Hurri. Always be agressive when fighting Spits, that early cheap shot works wonders on the Spitfires light framework.
me me me me oh and the hurri too
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: mechanic on March 25, 2010, 08:51:43 AM
I've seen this before too. I chalked it up to someone jettisoning the weight (might've been).

I admit curiosity. What would happen in the unlikely event an a-g rocket hit you midair? Would the impact on the nose be sufficient to even detonate said projectile or would it pass through without detonation? I guess my cruiosity applies to both AH and RW.


The coolest duel ever:

http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/P47_A2A.ahf
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on March 25, 2010, 08:59:45 AM
It would detonate and blow the plane out of the sky.  There was a flight I had many years ago in the P-38L where I was lugging some bombs and a rocket to hit a V base when I stumbled on a formation of B-17s and fired my rockets at them in more of a chits and giggles sort of thing when my rockets actually hit the lead and starboard B-17s, killing them both in a blazing display of pyrotechnics.  The only other time I've ever killed an airplane with HVARs when Murdr and I were vulching using our rockets.

ack-ack
:lol cant one up you in the arena so ive one upped you in a silly way. in a P51 with a B17 flying directly below me. dropped my bomb on his head  :aok
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Bronk on March 25, 2010, 10:20:19 AM

The coolest duel ever:

http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/P47_A2A.ahf
That was teh awesome! :lol
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: grizz441 on March 25, 2010, 01:17:11 PM

The coolest duel ever:

http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/P47_A2A.ahf

 :lol
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: mechanic on March 25, 2010, 01:30:38 PM
hehe, he was firing rockets too, for some reason it doesnt show them. old film

happy days  :lol
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: ACE on March 25, 2010, 06:23:00 PM
good film lol
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SlapShot on March 27, 2010, 09:01:31 AM
Due to popular demand, I bring you an Ack-Ack Production of..."Bring the Amber Lamps!: a.k.a "Why are you being so hostile bro?" (http://www.mediafire.com/?gm4zmmwjovj)

If anyone downloads and watches these films hoping to learn something from my awesome flying, look elsewhere.  The only things these films are good for is laughs, lots of them.


ack-ack

Just got a change to look at theses ... what can I say but OH MY ...  :confused:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Bronk on March 27, 2010, 09:16:10 AM
Just got a change to look at theses ... what can I say but OH MY ...  :confused:
Want funnier????
Try this perspective....
by populer request, here it is.http://www.mediafire.com/?4mdoy2zmywy (http://www.mediafire.com/?4mdoy2zmywy)
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: doc1kelley on March 27, 2010, 10:25:43 AM
Due to popular demand, I bring you an Ack-Ack Production of..."Bring the Amber Lamps!: a.k.a "Why are you being so hostile bro?" (http://www.mediafire.com/?gm4zmmwjovj)

If anyone downloads and watches these films hoping to learn something from my awesome flying, look elsewhere.  The only things these films are good for is laughs, lots of them.


ack-ack

Hmmm... I've downloaded it twice and winzip reports bad CRC with both files.  I've rarely seen this error with it.

All the Best...

   Jay
awDoc1
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 27, 2010, 12:59:22 PM
Hmmm... I've downloaded it twice and winzip reports bad CRC with both files.  I've rarely seen this error with it.

All the Best...

   Jay
awDoc1

Maybe somehow your download got corrupted.  I just downloaded and opened the .zip file to see and no error message.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: THRASH99 on March 27, 2010, 03:23:45 PM
I get tired of spitfires 4k lower then me climbing up to me catching me in a climb i started at 400 mph. They should perk it IMO
That's what I tried to post on spit 16, no one stayed on fluff'n topic, nothing but perk La and how it's better than spixteen. I agree that that 14 and 16 deserve to be perked. +1 :)
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Scherf on March 27, 2010, 04:07:43 PM
Maybe somehow your download got corrupted.  I just downloaded and opened the .zip file to see and no error message.


ack-ack

There's something strange with the file. A couple of the films don't want to expand at all, and the Mossie/P-51 film freezes part way along.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Guppy35 on March 27, 2010, 11:43:15 PM
That's what I tried to post on spit 16, no one stayed on fluffluff'n topic, nothing but perk La and how it's better than spixteen. I agree that that 14 and 16 deserve to be perked. +1 :)

Ahh, but can you tell us the difference between the 14 and 16?
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on March 28, 2010, 06:55:49 AM
Ahh, but can you tell us the difference between the 14 and 16?
good question...but can YOU? :D jk guppy. i know lets all go get a cup of coffee and go to my dumb/silly perk thread and add stupidity about the spitties there too like we did with the 262 163 p51 la7 jug 109k temp etc.etc.etc :aok otherwise this thread is dieing a slow and cumbersome death...
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SlapShot on March 28, 2010, 09:23:43 AM
otherwise this thread is dieing a slow and cumbersome death...

It was sentenced to death before he even hit the "post" button.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: THRASH99 on March 28, 2010, 12:31:20 PM
Ahh, but can you tell us the difference between the 14 and 16?
The spit 14 actually takes some skill, it can't turn as good as spit 16 can. Spit 16 on the other hand takes no skill to fly at all, you barely pull the joystick back and it's already around on you. And what's really stupid, you can't do hardly anything with them on defensive since they follow your every move without even stalling.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: ink on March 28, 2010, 01:14:13 PM
The spit 14 actually takes some skill, it can't turn as good as spit 16 can. Spit 16 on the other hand takes no skill to fly at all, you barely pull the joystick back and it's already around on you. And what's really stupid, you can't do hardly anything with them on defensive since they follow your every move without even stalling.

lol 16's are an easy kill :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: JunkyII on March 28, 2010, 01:19:46 PM
lol 16's are an easy kill :rolleyes:
In an easy-mode hurri :aok
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Guppy35 on March 28, 2010, 01:30:19 PM
The spit 14 actually takes some skill, it can't turn as good as spit 16 can. Spit 16 on the other hand takes no skill to fly at all, you barely pull the joystick back and it's already around on you. And what's really stupid, you can't do hardly anything with them on defensive since they follow your every move without even stalling.

But this is not true.  Spit 16s are definitely beatable.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: JunkyII on March 28, 2010, 01:46:45 PM
But this is not true.  Spit 16s are definitely beatable.
Yep even when they have your 6 o clock  :aok

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Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: SPKmes on March 28, 2010, 02:23:09 PM
I find the spit8 more of a handful than the 16.... maybe it's just the drivers.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Bruv119 on March 28, 2010, 02:27:47 PM
I find the spit8 more of a handful than the 16.... maybe it's just the drivers.

you DO NOT  "drive"  a Spitfire!!!   :furious,  

you grace the skies together as one, man and machine hand in hand.    :bolt:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: phatzo on March 28, 2010, 03:36:55 PM
I find the spit8 more of a handful than the 16.... maybe it's just the drivers.
agreed spit8 and KI84's give me the willies.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: JunkyII on March 28, 2010, 03:38:50 PM
agreed spit8 and KI84's give me the willies.
KI84s are very unpopular rides for some reason even though they are ubber as crap. Me I hate seeing someone who doesnt HO me first merge :aok
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: bravoa8 on March 28, 2010, 11:01:38 PM
Spit16 is the worse spit in the game IMO.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: guncrasher on March 29, 2010, 12:26:10 AM
agreed spit8 and KI84's give me the willies.

true.  you wanna perk a spit do the 8, dont worry about the 16 since 90% of the people that up one, cant really fly it well and will rip their wings off.

semp
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: ink on March 29, 2010, 12:38:27 PM
In an easy-mode hurri :aok

then they real easy :aok
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: JunkyII on March 29, 2010, 05:08:39 PM
then they real easy :aok
Depends on how you fly it :aok
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on March 30, 2010, 11:38:38 AM
you DO NOT  "drive"  a Spitfire!!!   :furious,  

you grace the skies together as one, man and machine hand in hand.    :bolt:
well said for any excellent pilot and their chosen plane :aok
KI84s are very unpopular rides for some reason even though they are ubber as crap. Me I hate seeing someone who doesnt HO me first merge :aok
its because people believe that the Ki84 is crap due to the fact that many either do not fly them right or believe that because they are japanese they are the tightest turning AC therefore no reason to fly above 5,000 feet in it. same reason why the zero has a bad reputation even though you can dive in on someone at 450mph and unlike the 109s it will NOT fully lock up. go 500 though and ur dead ;)
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Karnak on March 30, 2010, 01:27:05 PM
Ki-84 is one of my favorite fighters in AH.  I'd put it somewhere in the top 10 unperked fighters in AH.

One thing I particularly like about it is its Spitfire XVI like performance without the Spitfire's fragility and short legs.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 30, 2010, 01:37:00 PM
The spit 14 actually takes some skill, it can't turn as good as spit 16 can. Spit 16 on the other hand takes no skill to fly at all, you barely pull the joystick back and it's already around on you. And what's really stupid, you can't do hardly anything with them on defensive since they follow your every move without even stalling.

You have only 3 kills to 2 deaths against the Spitfire Mk XVI...can anyone guess what your true motivation is to get the Mk XVI perked?  *Hint* It's not because he thinks too many fly it or it's too easy to fly...


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: ink on March 30, 2010, 02:05:48 PM
Depends on how you fly it :aok

 :D

Touche'
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on March 30, 2010, 02:06:15 PM
You have only 3 kills to 2 deaths against the Spitfire Mk XVI...can anyone guess what your true motivation is to get the Mk XVI perked?  *Hint* It's not because he thinks too many fly it or it's too easy to fly...


ack-ack

I could pose several possibilities, given that I know little about Thrash.

First, he's got a 1.5 k/d against it. That's not bad - it's better than 1:1. My first thought is, to whom were the 2 deaths credited? Did he get roughed up one fine day by a better Spit stick? (heh-heh, Spitstick). Perhaps there were words exchanged?

Clearly, the proliferation issue is shammy, given he's hardly had to deal with the thing. That was my point - overflying one or running one is pretty damn easy. Low and slow is usually where you find 'em. Most of the times that I have trouble with a Spitter is when I'm in a Spitter - usually an XIII or IX - both of which I intuitively prefer to the XVI - especially the feather-like XIII.

I think he just sharted his nappy.

Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: caldera on March 30, 2010, 02:14:45 PM
Ki-84 is one of my favorite fighters in AH.  I'd put it somewhere in the top 10 unperked fighters in AH.

One thing I particularly like about it is its (not quite) Spitfire XVI like performance without the Spitfire's fragility and short legs.

                                                           

The Ki-84 is an awesome machine but it falls behind the Spit16 in climb rate, turn rate, acceleration and weapon lethality.

You can compare the two (or any other planes) here:  http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php 

I agree that is a top 10 non-perked ride though.  One of the more surviveable attack planes that's easy to fly.

lol 16's are an easy kill :rolleyes:

That's just silly.  Do you mean easy kill using a Zero/Hurri/Brewster against it in a glacial speed knife fight or
a 51D/F4U/Typhoon/K-4 BNZ-ing it to death?

Given reasonably matched pilots in a semi-fair merge, the Spit16 is a handful.  It's hated (and loved) for a reason: It's very dangerous.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on March 30, 2010, 02:47:11 PM
                                                           

The Ki-84 is an awesome machine but it falls behind the Spit16 in climb rate, turn rate, acceleration and weapon lethality.

You can compare the two (or any other planes) here:  http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php 

I agree that is a top 10 non-perked ride though.  One of the more surviveable attack planes that's easy to fly.

That's just silly.  Do you mean easy kill using a Zero/Hurri/Brewster against it in a glacial speed knife fight or
a 51D/F4U/Typhoon/K-4 BNZ-ing it to death?

Given reasonably matched pilots in a semi-fair merge, the Spit16 is a handful.  It's hated (and loved) for a reason: It's very dangerous.
very dangerous but me and my zero have no problemo handling that baby flyer ride! :aok unless someone like tony decides to go noob on me...
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: ink on March 30, 2010, 03:25:53 PM
                                                           

The Ki-84 is an awesome machine but it falls behind the Spit16 in climb rate, turn rate, acceleration and weapon lethality.

You can compare the two (or any other planes) here:  http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php 

I agree that is a top 10 non-perked ride though.  One of the more surviveable attack planes that's easy to fly.

That's just silly.  Do you mean easy kill using a Zero/Hurri/Brewster against it in a glacial speed knife fight or
a 51D/F4U/Typhoon/K-4 BNZ-ing it to death?

Given reasonably matched pilots in a semi-fair merge, the Spit16 is a handful.  It's hated (and loved) for a reason: It's very dangerous.

they are easy due to the fact the most who fly them are noobs that haven't a clue, Most long time sticks don't fly it, I do though, it is a great plane and I enjoy flying it I generally take it up when the horde gets outta control, BUT flying it constantly will give you bad habits for sure.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: TonyJoey on March 30, 2010, 03:37:44 PM
BUT flying it constantly will give you bad habits for sure.

 :headscratch: (For the most part) Spits actually make you fight, as they aren't the fastest. I think flying the Spit9 has improved my knowledge of ACM as it generally can do most maneuvers that others can't, hence the whines. Spits can E fight well, turn well, and BnZ above Par, thus improving all aspects of flying IMO. Granted, most people graduate from Spits after they've learned some ACM, and apply the knowledge to other planes which are a bit more specified as to how to fly them in combat. ex. using E fighting knowledge to fly Ki-84 or K4. Most people don't stay with the Spit long enough, but it does have certain tricks that only it can pull off, as do most planes, and can be a blast to fly exclusively.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: ink on March 30, 2010, 03:47:50 PM
:headscratch: (For the most part) Spits actually make you fight, as they aren't the fastest. I think flying the Spit9 has improved my knowledge of ACM as it generally can do most maneuvers that others can't, hence the whines. Spits can E fight well, turn well, and BnZ above Par, thus improving all aspects of flying IMO. Granted, most people graduate from Spits after they've learned some ACM, and apply the knowledge to other planes which are a bit more specified as to how to fly them in combat. ex. using E fighting knowledge to fly Ki-84 or K4. Most people don't stay with the Spit long enough, but it does have certain tricks that only it can pull off, as do most planes, and can be a blast to fly exclusively.


I agree
 I very much enjoy them, very deadly planes, what im saying is if you fly the 16 exclusively then for some reason you fly something else, especially a non-spit, you will find your self flat spinning inverted out of control  :rofl 
 They teach bad habits, they have no weakness really to speak of, magnificent plane.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: guncrasher on March 31, 2010, 03:07:11 AM
I agree
 I very much enjoy them, very deadly planes, what im saying is if you fly the 16 exclusively then for some reason you fly something else, especially a non-spit, you will find your self flat spinning inverted out of control  :rofl  
 They teach bad habits, they have no weakness really to speak of, magnificent plane.

how can they teach bad habits?  spit8 is flown a little different than the spit9 and the spit16 is flown a lot different than any of the other spits.  each plane is flown a little or lots different than the other planes.  you cant fly the f4u the same way as the f6f or the p38 and yet I see people flying it as if they thought it was a 109.  not that they have bad habits, just they dont know how to fly it correctly.  there's no such thing as a bad habit, unless all you do is ho and ram and then if you are good at it and live then it is a skill  :D.

the spit16 main weakness is that people cant fly it right.  all they do is jump around trying to get you to overshoot or go straight up trying to get you to stall.  I always laugh when I see them do that or when they reverse 3 or 4 times.  I just stay above them inverted and watch them think they lost me and boom, they die. and oh yeah I almost forgot, they cant out turn the other spits when they have their nose pointing up.  nose pointing down a little harder to get a kill.

semp

Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: TonyJoey on March 31, 2010, 03:38:54 PM
. and oh yeah I almost forgot, they cant out turn the other spits when they have their nose pointing up.  nose pointing down a little harder to get a kill.

semp



Spit16 will outturn(flaps in IIRC), outroll, outrun, and outclimb the 8.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: ink on March 31, 2010, 05:12:58 PM
how can they teach bad habits?  spit8 is flown a little different than the spit9 and the spit16 is flown a lot different than any of the other spits.  each plane is flown a little or lots different than the other planes.  you cant fly the f4u the same way as the f6f or the p38 and yet I see people flying it as if they thought it was a 109.  not that they have bad habits, just they dont know how to fly it correctly.  there's no such thing as a bad habit, unless all you do is ho and ram and then if you are good at it and live then it is a skill  :D.

the spit16 main weakness is that people cant fly it right.  all they do is jump around trying to get you to overshoot or go straight up trying to get you to stall.  I always laugh when I see them do that or when they reverse 3 or 4 times.  I just stay above them inverted and watch them think they lost me and boom, they die. and oh yeah I almost forgot, they cant out turn the other spits when they have their nose pointing up.  nose pointing down a little harder to get a kill.

semp



maybe someone with better articulation can explain it.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Guppy35 on March 31, 2010, 05:33:24 PM
Spit16 will outturn(flaps in IIRC), outroll, outrun, and outclimb the 8.

You sure on the out turn?  I've found that the regular span wing of the VIII doesn't stall as fast as the clipped wing in a turn fight and the XVI will have to roll out sooner of lose it.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 31, 2010, 06:48:10 PM
You sure on the out turn?  I've found that the regular span wing of the VIII doesn't stall as fast as the clipped wing in a turn fight and the XVI will have to roll out sooner of lose it.

The VIII also has better turn performance at low/stall speeds.  Frankly, other than having full wings and 350 extra pounds, the VIII is pretty much the same plane as the XVI.  


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Lusche on March 31, 2010, 06:59:36 PM
The Ki-84 is an awesome machine but it falls behind the Spit16 in climb rate, turn rate, acceleration and weapon lethality.

I still prefer the Ki-84's weapon package. For me, lethality isn't only pure firepower weight. The Ki's guns are mounted close to the centerline and the cannons have a higher ROF than the Hispanos. This is giving me a much better, tighter grouping, makes convergence range less of an issue and is better suited for very short snapshots (the kind of shots that often happen in a furball or during scissoring). For me, the Ki-84 is a better gun platform, On average I can get more kills out of a Ki-84's gun & ammo package than I can get from the Spit 16.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: JunkyII on March 31, 2010, 08:09:50 PM
I still prefer the Ki-84's weapon package. For me, lethality isn't only pure firepower weight. The Ki's guns are mounted close to the centerline and the cannons have a higher ROF than the Hispanos. This is giving me a much better, tighter grouping, makes convergence range less of an issue and is better suited for very short snapshots (the kind of shots that often happen in a furball or during scissoring). For me, the Ki-84 is a better gun platform, On average I can get more kills out of a Ki-84's gun & ammo package than I can get from the Spit 16.
I agree. They are like chainsaws when you hit someone :rock


People underestimate the speed a KI84 can get too without compressing, also its ability to outclimb birds that have more E.....if used right :aok
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: guncrasher on April 01, 2010, 01:53:31 AM
Spit16 will outturn(flaps in IIRC), outroll, outrun, and outclimb the 8.

I was talking about the pilots not the planes.  the spit16 is a great airplane, the pilots that fly it, not so good.

maybe someone with better articulation can explain it.

read rule #4.  dont turn into one of them "you misspelt one word, so we cannot understand you" guys.  

semp
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on April 01, 2010, 06:40:49 AM
read rule #4.  dont turn into one of them "you misspelt one word, so we cannot understand you" guys.  

semp
i have to! i have to say this but rule number 5 works too!!!  :rofl as i violate rule #5 for saying u violated rule #5. could you get hit with a skuzzy edit if you violate #5 to tell someone else they violated #5? :lol shutting up
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 01, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
i have to! i have to say this but rule number 5 works too!!!  :rofl as i violate rule #5 for saying u violated rule #5. could you get hit with a skuzzy edit if you violate #5 to tell someone else they violated #5? :lol shutting up

Bar, I've unilaterally decided that this post isn't worth reading. Everyone delete it from your memory banks. The guy to whom you're responding, well, his post was unworthy as well and, based on what I've seen of him, isn't worth the time of day anyway.

From now on, come to me for snap whimsical judgments on who's an arscheklown and what post is worth reading. Leaving it to Skuzzy is a formula for poisoning your mind with the message of the antichrist who, like Skuzzy, is reputed to be both ancient and ageless.

What are rules 4 and 5?

Either way, I figure I'm all right so long as they don't bar sarcasm.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: danny76 on April 01, 2010, 10:44:08 AM
I wasn't referring to any other plane besides the P-38.  The only Spitfires the P-38 can easily out dive and escape from are the Mk I, V and Seafire.  Let me make myself a little more clearer, the P-38 can out dive any of the Spitfires, however, 95% of those flying the P-38 will enter into compressability and auger because they couldn't pull out of the dive due to their high speed.  So diving away isn't really the best escape from a Spitfire unless you know what you're doing and as we all know, 95% of those that fly the P-38 couldn't turn on the 2nd engine if it wasn't for the auto-start up.


ack-ack

38's got two engines? :confused:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: cobia38 on April 01, 2010, 11:26:27 AM
38's got two engines? :confused:

  its a bomber, of course it has 2 engines  :D
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on April 01, 2010, 11:27:00 AM
Bar, I've unilaterally decided that this post isn't worth reading. Everyone delete it from your memory banks. The guy to whom you're responding, well, his post was unworthy as well and, based on what I've seen of him, isn't worth the time of day anyway.

From now on, come to me for snap whimsical judgments on who's an arscheklown and what post is worth reading. Leaving it to Skuzzy is a formula for poisoning your mind with the message of the antichrist who, like Skuzzy, is reputed to be both ancient and ageless.

What are rules 4 and 5?

Either way, I figure I'm all right so long as they don't bar sarcasm.
:rofl very nice! rule 4 is no flaming etc and rule 5 is no backseat moderating  :lol
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 01, 2010, 12:52:05 PM
  its a bomber, of course it has 2 engines  :D

It's NOT A BOMBER!


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 01, 2010, 01:12:01 PM
It's NOT A BOMBER!


ack-ack

Ack-Ack, has this problem you're having persisted for long?

Domestic violence is no laughing matter. Have you stopped?

Of course you weren't anal-probed by aliens. How else can they tell what you eat?
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: guncrasher on April 01, 2010, 02:14:43 PM
Ack-Ack, has this problem you're having persisted for long?

Domestic violence is no laughing matter. Have you stopped?

Of course you weren't anal-probed by aliens. How else can they tell what you eat?

I see your postings are more worthy than mine.  (or should I have said worthier?)

semp
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Soulyss on April 01, 2010, 02:23:39 PM
38's got two engines? :confused:

Not when I'm done with it.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: ink on April 01, 2010, 04:17:26 PM
I was talking about the pilots not the planes.  the spit16 is a great airplane, the pilots that fly it, not so good.

read rule #4.  dont turn into one of them "you misspelt one word, so we cannot understand you" guys.  

semp

I think you totally misunderstood what I was saying, someone other then me could explain it better.

I will try to explain, flying the 16 exclusively, well it does all things great, so when you engage nme cons you do things that suit the 16, when you try those same maneuvers in any other plane, it does not have the same effect so you may end up spinning out of control. 
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Bronk on April 01, 2010, 04:24:43 PM
I think you totally misunderstood what I was saying, someone other then me could explain it better.

I will try to explain, flying the 16 exclusively, well it does all things great, so when you engage nme cons you do things that suit the 16, when you try those same maneuvers in any other plane, it does not have the same effect so you may end up spinning out of control. 
Ink the "teaching of bad habbits" is IMO.  If you screw up the thing is such a monster it will still save your bacon.

Kinda like "whoops didnt watch my E bleed... got too slow.... hit wep.. all fixed". Almost instantly. Try that a P-40.. not going to happen.
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on April 01, 2010, 06:17:21 PM
It's NOT A BOMBER!


ack-ack
i knew he'd jump on that  :rofl
 its a bomber, of course it has 2 engines  :D
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: guncrasher on April 02, 2010, 02:49:55 AM
I think you totally misunderstood what I was saying, someone other then me could explain it better.

I will try to explain, flying the 16 exclusively, well it does all things great, so when you engage nme cons you do things that suit the 16, when you try those same maneuvers in any other plane, it does not have the same effect so you may end up spinning out of control. 

agree with you, I only fly the spit8.  I love it over the 16 due to the wings dont fall as easy.  I keep losing my wings during hard turns on the spit16.  I love killing people that up the 16 just because they hear somebody else say that it is a great plane.

semp
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: cobia38 on April 02, 2010, 06:41:05 AM
It's NOT A BOMBER!


ack-ack

  I musta hit a nerve  :D
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Plazus on April 02, 2010, 09:30:26 AM
38's got two engines? :confused:

Lol stop making me laugh. My P38s rarely ever have two engines. Just oil, fire, and smoke.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: 321BAR on April 02, 2010, 10:30:50 AM
Lol stop making me laugh. My P38s rarely ever have two engines. Just oil, fire, and smoke.  :rolleyes:
My P39 kills P38s for breakfast and my a6m5b eats them for lunch followed by an absolutely great P38 dinner with my P51 :aok
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 02, 2010, 12:28:08 PM
  I musta hit a nerve  :D

I had my revenge last night  :D


ack-ack
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: cobia38 on April 02, 2010, 02:24:47 PM
I had my revenge last night  :D


ack-ack

 is ok i,ll get revenge on the revenge   :D
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: ink on April 02, 2010, 03:29:18 PM
Ink the "teaching of bad habbits" is IMO.  If you screw up the thing is such a monster it will still save your bacon.

Kinda like "whoops didnt watch my E bleed... got too slow.... hit wep.. all fixed". Almost instantly. Try that a P-40.. not going to happen.

absolutely that's what I am saying, but I do love it for fighting the hourd  :aok
Title: Re: Perk the Spitfires
Post by: Penguin on April 03, 2010, 06:58:27 PM
I see your postings are more worthy than mine.  (or should I have said worthier?)

semp

 :lol But anyway Cap, it's more worthy.  FIXED.

-Penguin