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Title: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: grizz441 on March 17, 2010, 12:43:08 PM
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When I center out my aircraft or even put it on autopilot, the Me262 still wants to climb for an additional 500-1000 feet before leveling out.  It's very strange.  It feels like a calibration issue but I assure you it's not.  I checked my y axis calibration and it's pin pointed at 32767.  I can test other aircraft if needed but so far the only aircraft that does it this noticeably is the jet, which started after the update.

Film shows me on autopilot and still climbing 500 feet before leveling out.
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: fuzeman on March 17, 2010, 12:45:34 PM
I upped a 262 last Tuesday night / early Wednesday morning and I noticed this also. Even after I used the trim set command she still wanted to climb.
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: tf15pin on March 17, 2010, 01:45:03 PM
I have noticed the nose high and roll to the left tendency appeared after the updates.
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Twizzty on March 17, 2010, 01:49:27 PM
Same here, I thought it was my calibration and have recalibrated several times in the last few days with no affect(my y axis is dead on also). For me it seems to relate to speed as the faster I go the harder it pulls up. I've noticed it in the P47M and a couple of other fast birds also, but it's not nearly as bad as the 262.

 

Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Plazus on March 17, 2010, 02:24:13 PM
Noticed the same as well on my end. The nose up attitude as well as the tendancy to roll to the left made gunning more difficult; on top of my already poor gunnery. Lol.
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Kermit de frog on March 17, 2010, 03:09:06 PM
I have noticed the nose high and roll to the left tendency appeared after the updates.

I've noticed this nose high and roll to the left with the 109G14.  Others agree that their flying has changed, but all blame it on our recent newly formed habits of WWI flying.  I find myself snap rolling the 109G14 and being unable to roll to the right at all speeds.  I've been auguring quite frequently since my return from the WWI arenas.
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: warhed on March 18, 2010, 02:15:19 AM
I've noticed this nose high and roll to the left with the 109G14.  Others agree that their flying has changed, but all blame it on our recent newly formed habits of WWI flying.  I find myself snap rolling the 109G14 and being unable to roll to the right at all speeds.  I've been auguring quite frequently since my return from the WWI arenas.

Auguring frequently huh?  Sounds like all that TA time with Ardy is finally starting to pay off  :lol
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: kingcobradude on March 18, 2010, 02:49:14 AM
my p38 kept doing that too, even fully loaded and hardly high throttle
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Ardy123 on March 18, 2010, 04:54:22 AM
Auguring frequently huh?  Sounds like all that TA time with Ardy is finally starting to pay off  :lol

 :lol :lol :lol I'm only the duke of auger, Agent360 is the king of auger, hes my sensai of ground plowing. :)
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Spikes on March 18, 2010, 06:15:54 AM
Noticed this as well...I didn't have AP problems but when I didn't have it on and stick was centered it wanted to climb slightly.
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: grizz441 on March 18, 2010, 02:37:35 PM
It's still really screwed up.  The faster you get, the more the elevators pull up.
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 18, 2010, 04:12:38 PM
Took out a Me 262 and tried it and it did the same with me.  Upped a P-38 and auto-pilot worked as it normally does.  Maybe the Lufthwhiners are correct, there is an anti-LW conspiracy at HTC headquarters.  :noid


ack-ack
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: grizz441 on March 18, 2010, 10:14:30 PM
I think the accelerations are screwed up also.  Top speeds might be fine on the deck but the 262 definitely is not picking up speed as quickly in the dive anymore.
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Banshee7 on March 19, 2010, 12:11:29 AM
Took out a Me 262 and tried it and it did the same with me.  Upped a P-38 and auto-pilot worked as it normally does.  Maybe the Lufthwhiners are correct, there is an anti-LW conspiracy at HTC headquarters.  :noid


ack-ack

You may have revealed too much  :uhoh
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Blooz on March 19, 2010, 11:53:32 AM
Played with 262 in TA and found that auto level (X key) works fine but if you turn off the auto level and turn on the Combat Trim it rolls slowly to the left as it's climbing for the moon.

It's not the auto pilot, it's the Combat Trim that's out of whack.

Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: grizz441 on March 19, 2010, 12:05:18 PM
Played with 262 in TA and found that auto level (X key) works fine but if you turn off the auto level and turn on the Combat Trim it rolls slowly to the left as it's climbing for the moon.

It's not the auto pilot, it's the Combat Trim that's out of whack.


I agree, it's the combat trim.  Also I think its rate of acceleration is lower now.  Kappa and I both agree, and we probably have the most jet experience in game of active pilots.  I'd appreciate if HTC took a strong look at it and try to figure out how it could have gotten changed with the WW1 implementation.
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: trotter on March 20, 2010, 05:50:24 PM
Just wanted to give this thread a bump, as after having flown the 262 in Frame 1 of the Final Battle scenario, I too can definitely testify that something is very wrong with the 262.

Any chance we can get this fixed before the remaining frames? Pretty please?
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Madkow on March 21, 2010, 12:34:22 AM
It did make for a fun frame 1.  :joystick:
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Chilli on March 21, 2010, 02:03:07 AM
Also found nose lift tendency / elevator trim leveling, to be a problem in most any aircraft I have flown recently.  Most noticeable level flight difficulties occur in WW I planes (I cannot keep any straight flight other than with auto pilot.  The nose porpoises constantly.  I have adjusted the axis settings in a different mode for WW I planes, so that should not effect the settings in normal mode that I use for WW 2 planes.

 :joystick:  This constant "updraft" may have paid off for me though.  I lost all elevator control in my A20, and was able to fly a full sector and land perfectly on the runway, using throttle, rudder, ailerons and (flaps just before touchdown).
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: kingcobradude on March 21, 2010, 04:21:21 AM
my b17 went to like 27 degrees nose up an did not stall. is that normal?
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: lulu on March 22, 2010, 08:57:22 AM
In previous version patch this problem affected wwI planes only.
Now it seems extended to plane as p47M, me262, c47 too.
If it is combact trim and htc will not solve it accurately, then we will
lost p38, p51, f4u ability ... :devil

 :salute
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Plazus on March 22, 2010, 11:16:33 AM
my b17 went to like 27 degrees nose up an did not stall. is that normal?

It is completely normal if your B17 has sufficient airspeed to maintain that angle of climb. Also, if your B17 is light, it will climb better.
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: kingcobradude on March 22, 2010, 04:02:25 PM
It is completely normal if your B17 has sufficient airspeed to maintain that angle of climb. Also, if your B17 is light, it will climb better.
fully laden right after takeoff with little airspeed
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 22, 2010, 04:16:25 PM
In previous version patch this problem affected wwI planes only.
Now it seems extended to plane as p47M, me262, c47 too.
If it is combact trim and htc will not solve it accurately, then we will
lost p38, p51, f4u ability ... :devil

 :salute

Why would we lose "P-38 ability"?

ack-ack
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Dimebag on March 23, 2010, 08:29:27 PM
You working on a fix for this?  It's awful like it is right now  :cry

Regards,

A Jettard  :D
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Madkow on March 27, 2010, 04:43:34 PM
Frame 2 was almost unplayable. I would be less upset if they would have given us an update so I would know to spend the time with my family. 
 
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: grizz441 on March 27, 2010, 05:57:19 PM
A quick fix for this guys, turn auto trim off in your flight menu, and then use I and K to trim your jet.  After you come off autopilot, your trim will be saved still.  Of course, your trim will vary based on your speed but you can find a much better compromised trim than the current settings. 

And make sure you turn auto trim back on after you fly other aircraft if that's what you are used to!
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: Krusty on March 27, 2010, 06:08:33 PM
It may not "just" be the trim tables...

I've been tooling around offline in the 47N while working on a skin and I've noticed it's a LOT more annoying than it used to be. I haven't flown online since the WW1 updates so this was my first experience with it.

First, when rolling takeoff, it had a HORRIBLE roll towards the left. This is without combat trim, and my manual trim levers (throttle quadrant ftw!) had to be jammed full over to correct me. Without full right trim, I was keeping my stick about 60% deflected to the right just to stay even. Loaded 8 guns light and 25% fuel, no ords.

I had a hard time with the elevator trim as well. I would have to really dial it back to get the nose up a bit and then after I hit about 175-200 I had to floor it down to stay level.

The funny thing is that on landing this roll force was greatly reduced.


I'm thinking some settings are out of whack regarding the torque and gyrational forces on the plane. These were implemented into the WW1 planes and somehow spilled over into WW2. I don't think it's "normal" because this is a 11,000 pound plane. It's not going to require 60% right stick deflection on takeoff just to stay stable.



Just a thought on another possible reason for the trim tabs: They're still right, but the forces acting on the planes are off instead?
Title: Re: Me262 won't sustain level flight
Post by: grizz441 on April 08, 2010, 12:43:11 PM
Thanks for the fix HTC!   :cheers: