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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Brazos on May 01, 2000, 07:59:00 PM
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Hidy killas,
That was a neutral post from Hedu, huh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I know we want to share our pleasure about this great sim, but we don't want to put people off by harping on other ubb's. I am hot tempered, and got fed up with Hotstink over on AGW. But after a while there's no point of continuing to spout off. He will prolly never get our trust in teams like HTC. They have been flying with and against us for many years. We know 'em, and trust their desire to make the best sim possible. So I took AGW off my bookmarks, and hope we can hold the morale high ground by refusing to reply in kind.
Cya up...Braz
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Hey rip, come here, brazos got something to tell you! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Awww, sometimes life simple pleasures of reading whines from Spitboy, Cabby, and MG just make my day! I did delete my bookmark to AGW as well due to the hipocrasy that is rampant over there. Someday they'll see the light.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 05-02-2000).]
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Rip, I hope you would not blame the whole barrel for a couple of bad apples. I have posted at AGW that we conduct ourselves as we wish others to do the same. I am not real thrilled with MG/Macboy, and I guess thats a Mac guy for ya. Get your bookmark back, cause I think I see things changing. The old WB guys are not putting up with the crap, and I think things will get better.
Brazos, there are many who refuse to change, and they get left behind, and this is on both sides or our fences. Moral highground is good, but I also beleive on knowing your enemy! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I love WBs its a great sim for me. AH has alot of great things also, maybe I'll continue after my 2 weeks are up. I'll prolly put up a big "Hedu wants to know..." post to see whats up, but at least I look at both and make decisions. Many won't.
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John "HEDU" Babarovich,JG26, Warbirds
Dedicated Bf109 driver
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Thks for the encouragement Hedu, but it just seems the 'old timer's that I used to have good conversations with in the past are no longer present over there. I can remember bringing up other online sims in conversations over there a year or 2 ago and was never treated like I have been over there recently. Some of the guys responding I never even new online (probably the reason for lack of respect).
Much more openess over here, and one can say anything he wishes about another online sim without getting flamed.
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"I can remember bringing up other online sims in conversations over there a year or 2 ago and was never treated like I have been over there recently"
That's because two years ago the only other online sim was AW and just about every WBer dislikes AW (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
(haven't forgotten the CH info Rip. Been busy at night. I'll try and email you from my desk here today)
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Whats great about this board is, one can say anything positive or negative about ANY flight sim and one will not get responses like "This is the AH bulletin board, take it to AGW" or "Take it to off-topic". This community is alot tighter IMO, since WB's community became so big that respect was lost among the posters on their AGW board. It's a shame. Don't get me wrong, there are alot of respectful posters over there, but the minority seems to be the one's that vocalize the most. I once posted in off topic portion about what was new in AH, and had a WB trainer post that "if it was my BB, I'da had Rip banned along time ago"...hehe, can you believe that?!?...okay, maybe I should be banned from reporting any information that may be addicting!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Ripsnort(-rip1-)
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someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it
only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm, grasp the joystick button,
and shoot the sucker down!
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 05-03-2000).]
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
This community is alot tighter IMO, since WB's community became so big that respect was lost among the posters on their AGW board.
I think that in part has to be because a good deal of us came to AH as disgruntled customers of other online sims. So we, having felt the loss of leaving a community that meant a good deal to us, place a higher value on this community. I used to fly AW back in the AOL days, then I found WBs and now I'm here. In all of these sims, I would urge new players to find a squad as soon as possible. That is where the true sense of community comes from.
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Originally posted by Greg 'wmutt' Cook:
In all of these sims, I would urge new players to find a squad as soon as possible. That is where the true sense of community comes from.
You hit the nail on the head! As quoting someone else "I came for the flightsim, I stayed for the community"
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Whines from Spitboy, huh Rip? I don't call them whines. I call them calling you out on your hypocrisy and attempt at playing the poor martyr. Like this:
Rip says:
Whats great about this board is, one can say anything positive or negative about ANY flight sim and one will not get responses like "This is the AH bulletin board, take it to AGW" or "Take it to off-topic".
Uh-huh. So when Macboy said some anti-AH things and suggested WB as an alternative, albeit it in a negative way (which YOU said was OK, remember, it's DIFFERENT here?), he was embraced with open arms and intelligent debate by you?
Oh, no. That's not what happened. What happened was, you, an AH trainer with a leadership role in this community, traced his IP, called him an arrogant, bitter, mac-loving moron, ran and tattled on him to Pyro, and then proceeded to post an outraged message on AGW lambasting him like he'd been selling crack to schoolkids.
Riiight. Whatever, Rip. I find it exceedingly ironic that you posted that not three days after you posted your "outing" of Macboy..over what? His 8 posts here. Call it a whine if you will. I call it merely pointing out hypocrisy and calling a spade a spade, much like I did in the two or three posts I made about you over on AGW.
But who knows! Maybe some day I'll see the light.
Spitboy -SW-
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This is so dumb. Both sims are big fun. And its a win win for all of us.
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easymo,
I wish it were that simple. Actually what really grates at many of the WB players is the lose of old friends and opponents - the lose, or more accurately, the changing of the community. It is personal preference that compels many to stay with WB, but the reason many WB'ers are disgruntled is because they are beginning to see buddies, friends, and opponents leaving WB, some never to return. I can completely understand, and sympathize with this. It's never fun to see your circle of friends diminish, or disappear.
For those of us who voluntarily left our old online sim haunts, it was difficult to say goodbye, but we chose to make that decision. But for those we left our departure was out of their control.
It really is true, AW, FA, WB, and AH are not only games, they are communities as well.
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leonid, Komandir
5 GIAP VVS RKKA (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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Rip wrote :
"Whats great about this board is, one can say anything positive or negative about ANY flight sim and one will not get responses like "This is the AH bulletin board, take it to AGW" or "Take it to off-topic"."
Rip are you on crack (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
This statement above is _not_ true. The main differance here is that you dont see any WB players posting here and stirring up trouble.
There where even an thread here whining about what they said on AGW about AH for christ sake!!
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I think we should not post on AGW (or here) anything about MG incident or other flammable stuff.
It gives bad image for our community and game, possibly hurting HTC business. Would you switch to game whose players has been not too nice to you or your community?
I do post on AGW but I try to refrain myself from slamming WB or glorifying AH. I have made my choice, I feel secure about it and I don't feel need to prove anything or convert anybody to my game. I trust that everybody can make decision for himself. I try to give realistic vision about AH and correct misunderstandings or false assupmtions. Sometimes it work, sometimes not.
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jochen
Geschwaderkommodore (on leave) Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) (Warbirds)
JG 2 'Richthofen' (Aces High)
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Thanks for the Fw 190A-5 HTC!
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Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
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But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes
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Originally posted by Spitboy:
Oh, no. That's not what happened. What happened was, you, an AH trainer with a leadership role in this community, traced his IP, called him an arrogant, bitter, mac-loving moron, ran and tattled on him to Pyro, and then proceeded to post an outraged message on AGW lambasting him like he'd been selling crack to schoolkids.
Riiight. Whatever, Rip. I find it exceedingly ironic that you posted that not three days after you posted your "outing" of Macboy..over what? His 8 posts here. Call it a whine if you will. I call it merely pointing out hypocrisy and calling a spade a spade, much like I did in the two or three posts I made about you over on AGW.
Spitboy -SW-
LOL ! Suuuuuure! I traced his IP Spitboy, thanks for the laugh! Show me the text where I called him a moron...people know me better than that! That's the game YOU play, sir!
Spitboy:But who knows! Maybe some day I'll see the light.
I highly doubt that! Enjoy your Mac, and am looking forward to seeing you online in WW2 Online!
Maniac:This statement above is _not_ true. The main differance here is that you dont see any WB players posting here and stirring up trouble.
I guess I need to point you to a few threads on AH BB!
Also, my 1 post in AGW general topic BB was in regards to "What's new in AH", and yes, I was trying to get people to try it, since I would want them to enjoy something we all enjoy. The rest of my posts were in OFF-TOPIC where every game from chess to flight sims are discussed. Got a problem with that Maniac? Hell, I see folks posting about WW2 Online all the time over there, that's where the hipocrasy lies, no one is flaming them!
Let's drop it...move on with life..I no longer 'publish' over there so its a moot point.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 05-05-2000).]
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LOL ! Suuuuuure! I traced his IP Spitboy, thanks for the laugh! Show me the text where I called him a moron...people know me better than that! That's the game YOU play, sir!
Maybe YOU don't know yourself as well as you think you do.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/002740.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/002740.html)
Look down the page about 1/2 way to the post by a guy named Ripsnort. I've taken a screenshot, so it's no fair going back and doing some creative editing. Screenshot viewable at: http://wrecks.org/rip.jpg (http://wrecks.org/rip.jpg) .
Posted 4-14-200 by Ripsnort:
posted 04-14-2000 07:52 AM
I've done a little research, since I have all this neat security equipment at my company, and found out who Macboy is.(Macboy, did you not know that your ISP can be traced ?) I won't give you his name, but I will tell you this, he (obviously) has a Mac, cannot play AH, so considers the grapes very sour. I've had a number of derogatory flames from him in AGW and his ego and head doesn't fit into the cockpit of his virtual A/C. He will always be an arrogant, bitter, mac-loving moron. So, best to not even respond to his posts, since that's how he gets his kicks.
What, was someone stealing your account and posting as you? Cause it sure looks like you called him a moron, and said you'd traced his IP. Shortly thereafter, Pyro announces that due to an informed tip, he can out MG as Macboy. I ain't Mulder, but that sure looks like it all matches up to me.
Let's drop it...move on with life..I no longer 'publish' over there so its a moot point.
Right. Now that you've been called out you want to drop it? You know what I'd like to see? I'd LOVE to see you admit that indeed, you did spend a lot of time praising AH on the AGW boards and trying to convince WB'ers to try it out.
Then I'd like to see you admit you went way overboard on the Macboy thing. And as a result you caused MG, who has been a long-time member of this community, a whole helluva lotta grief that was largely uncalled for. It was a troll. It should have been laughed at. Most people did; except for you. Tied to part one of what I'd like to see, it really ticks me off to see you behind the witchhunt.
Nice attempt at revisionist history.
Spitboy -SW-
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Time to close this thread.
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
1st Aces High Trainer Corps.
Home of The Allied Fighter Wing A.F.W.
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Guess what, if I knew for sure what his IP was, don't you think I would have lambasted him that day?!? Look at the date of the post. I had my suspicions, but it was not conclusive, if it was, I would have called him on the carpet 2 weeks ago
Drop it Spitboy, before you get in any deeper.
SpitboyYou know what I'd like to see? I'd LOVE to see you admit that indeed, you did spend a lot of time praising AH on the AGW boards and trying to convince WB'ers to try it out.
I've already said in the above post:
Ripsnort:"Also, my 1 post in AGW general topic BB was in regards to "What's new in AH", and yes, I was trying to get people to try it, since I would want them to enjoy something we all enjoy. The rest of my posts were in OFF-TOPIC where every game from chess to flight sims are discussed."
There, ya happy? Oh, I guess I should apologize for telling the WB community for the last 6 years (how long have YOU been around?) about EVERY flight sim that came out, and what I thought of it. eh?
I did call MG a moron, on this board, not in a personal attack to him in a thread. I call Clinton a moron too, but I don't send him an email about it, or post it on the Gov't website, I do that in my backyard, where I can post my opinions.
Try reading the whole response, Spitboy, just because the grapes are sour with you and your Mac club ain't my fault you can't try AH.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 05-05-2000).]
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Spitboy I think thats about enough! I`ve held my temper with you as long as I`m going to.
Your another wet diaper MAC-head whos in the same league as MG-your pissed because HTC doesn`t support MACs-WELL BOO F***ING HOO! What you don`t consider is how long Rip was a part of the Warbirds community and how many friends he made over the years in the game.(a lot longer than you I`m sure) Idiots like you try to portray him as a flag waving bellybutton kissing HTC cheerleader on AGW because he tried to let people he *THOUGHT* were his friends know about how much enjoyment and fun he was getting from Aces High,should I open my mailbox up and post some of his e-mails to me showing how enthusiastic he is about AH?(out of respect I won`t) He didn`t get defensive until idiots like YOU continually sh*t on him for trying to share that enthusiasm with people who have the same interests.(WW II related)
He didn`t try to tear Warbirds down with his posts,many of them he reiterated his continued love of Warbirds-but also stated how fresh and innovative AH is in comparison.
I didn`t much care for MG`s posts as Macboy but I didn`t want to get involved in any flame wars with him because I knew eventually he would crawl back to the polluted pond that spawned him-he did why don`t you wriggle back too? Better yet why don`t you buy a PC and come share the fun with us,I guarantee you will have a good time.
(This is strictly my opinion and I apologize to any one I may have offended-except Spitboy)
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Edit again after seeing Rip's reply below ...
Whatever, Rip. I'm done. Anyone can read my posts above and see the evidence. I never questioned your value or enthusiasm for the AH community. I merely point out that you are not the martyr you make yourself out to be, and that you yourself did as bad or worse in your treatment of Macboy as the treatment you received on AGW you get all uptight about.
One final thing:
Rip, it's got nothing to do with me being on a Mac. It's got nothing to do with AH. You seem incapable of separating criticism of Rip from criticism of AH. You know, it is possible for me to have a problem with you, and not have a problem with AH.
Weaz, I've been around these communities since 1995. I've held trainer posts, too. I've run scenarios, even ran a WB Con. I don't usually get involved in flame fests like this. You have your view of Rip and his actions on AGW, and I have mine. Let's leave it at that, eh, weaz?
Spitboy -SW-
[This message has been edited by Spitboy (edited 05-05-2000).]
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Well, anyone can be made to look like a liar when you, sir take so much of my AGW posting out of context.
To show what kind of person Rip is to the AH Community? Ha! One that flys here doesn't care what one man's (boy) opinion is. That comes from within the community, and sir, you are not part of this community, and probably never will be with your badgering. Good luck with Warbirds, maybe someone will like you over there.
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Please Pyro,Hitech..SOMEBODY at HTC please lock this thread before handbags are drawn, tights get skagged and people start scratching each others eyes out.
This thread serves no purpose but to exasperate the current WB vs AH problems that cannot be discussed rationally on either UBB
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Revvin
249 Squadron RAF
Tangmere Wing
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My apologies, I started this big mess. Blame me. I will not post anything further on the subject. I'm passionate about flights sims, ALL flight sims. Nuff said, Ripsnort out!
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Apologies from me too. I said my peace, and am done. Now if VPC4 supports my V3 card, I might be able to come up in AH and have some fun. My Sony VAIO can't handle it, alas. Aside from that, cyas in WW2OL or the next big thing.
Spitboy -SW-
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Marvelous..job done, now lets have a group hug, walk away and go play our chosen online sim.
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Revvin
249 Squadron RAF
Tangmere Wing
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Originally posted by Spitboy:
....My Sony VAIO can't handle it, alas.
Hey partner....
I have a Sony Vaio, 500 Mhz Laptop that also won't work with AH. I would like to use it when I'm on the road traveling. We should talk. The Vaio I have has the Neomagic 256 AV chipset, but I believe it's about not being a 3D Hardware accelerator.
Regards,
Badger
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You could learn a heckuva lot from Funked and a couple of the other guys who've moved at least partially over to AH from WB...... his posts on AGW smack of class and humor.
edog
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Congrats gents,
You did indeed strive to hold the high ground. (sigh) I'm just too old for this crap anymore. Trolls aren't funny to me, their childish nonsense. An attempt at humor by those incapable of any, and just mean-sprited attacks to garner some attention. Sad.
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Don't ya go attackin Ripster dudes, or I'll have to bring forth my longboat, broadsword and grow a heavy beard.
The Vikings shall return, and we shall rule the world.
We're just waiting for now.
Seriously, I haven't flown WB. Having read some flight sims newsgroup, I have learned that the WB community is a passionate one, with great pilots, immense egos and with that, particular personalies. I also know that there's a good deal of knowledge in this group. Having said that, this is also true for AH.
I don't want to say "can't we all just get along". I don't even want to get along with everyone. There'll be some threads like this one in the future as well.
What I would like to see is some objectivity. I.e backing off and admitting your mistake(s) when they're made. if you don't think I do so, take a look at the "YAK - the bringer of Sorrow" thread under aircraft and vehicles, and you'll see that even in or just after a heated debate it is possible to get misunderstandings cleared out. And that has nothing to do with any love between the "duellists", but everything to do with personal integrity and intellectual honesty.
Anyway, that's my take on it. Fight it out in the air gents; my bet is on Ripsnort.
Of course, now the "discussion" wll be "which sim is better suited for the fight, Ah or WB?" WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm a dot.
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StSanta
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