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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: captain1ma on March 26, 2010, 03:23:05 PM
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please give us your opinion on whats good or bad with the AVA. please don't make this a personal attack, but rather a constructive thread, so that we would have an idea of what issues to address. thank you
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Enable All Channels?
With new players coming into the Arena, and some coming over from EW or MW, Channel 200 may not be tuned. I received this suggestion from another player and after listening to the above reason for not having 200 tuned I felt it was worth a try for at least a short evaluation period.
I attempt to communicate to players who are listed in the roster but are not responding. Usually, I am giving them hints like:
- enemy icons are turned off
- only 2 countries have vehicles enabled
- if you are looking for a dogfight this base to this base would be good let's meet here....
read the Arena Message found on the clipboard
Vox mute still works :D
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done-- channel 1 now operative
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How about free beer and pizza on Friday nites?
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How about free beer and pizza on Friday nites?
Why, thank you, Fork! Probably this will work out best if you broadcast your credit card information at about 9 pm Eastern time.
- oldman
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LOL...I'll just give him my address and phone number to the nearest dominoes from my house and he can have the pizza delivered to my door...thank you for offering Fork.
Back on topic.
Good - no enemy icons/short range friendly icons/reasonable historical setups
Bad - no friendly icons or friendly icons set shorter than 2.5k
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Good :aok
No enemy icons
Friend icons no shorter than 1k or longer that 2k
Shorter maps for now... keep action up
AvA balanced plane sets
well placed AK
Good group of mature pilots
Bad :cry
lack Arena momentum
Inconsistency. Lack of Continuity and consistency with arena set ups...
poorly placed AK.
Lack of a daily/nightly dedicated regular population.
To much Pacific theater plane set repetition.
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:confused: are you for real, not enough PTO
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I would like to see the :airplane: Hellcat, Wildcat, and F4U more frequently. Balancing the time period planesets must be a nightmare. But you guys seem to get it right. In PTO, Japanese planes were the cutting edge at the beginning, but as the Allied production and training advanced, they soon reversed this advantage. There have been some discussions on bringing these production issues into setups through base capture. :aok
Also, I have noticed a large number of players that prefer German iron. Likewise, there are those of us, who are just as biased towards Allied equipment. In the past, 30 mm cannons have placed their mark on a good share of Allied planes, which have seemed to "spit" back .303s or 50 cals. The talk of introducing scaled performance damage to planes promises to boost the MG's effectiveness. :x This I can't wait to see how it will effect some of those old battles, and hope that AvA would concentrate on European Theater at that time.
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Good:
No enemy icons
Friend icons no shorter than 1k or longer that 2k
maps ok
AvA balanced plane sets
Bad
Numbers Numbers Numbers, we all need to push the AvA Arena
just some prosposals for good plane sets
BoB setup 109E4 vs Hurrie1 spit1
mediteran Europe setup:
202 109f4 109g2 vs spit 5 seafire P40
ju87 | b25
northern European setup
190A5 109g2 109g6 vs Spit 9 Hurrie 2 P47d25
Eastern front
LA5 Yak 9T vs 190A5/A8 109G6
:salute
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SNIP
just some prosposals for good plane sets
BoB setup 109E4 vs Hurrie1 spit1
mediteran Europe setup:
202 109f4 109g2 vs spit 5 seafire P40
ju87 | b25
northern European setup
190A5 109g2 109g6 vs Spit 9 Hurrie 2 P47d25
Eastern front
LA5 Yak 9T vs 190A5/A8 109G6
My AvA world needs more JUGS!!! Would P47 D11 fit into Mediteranean Europe? I read that the P47 was the American plane that flew the most combat missions.
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Chilli - you mean the Italian Campaign from 1943-1945? Was a whole lot of jugs used there... as well as FW-190A-5, Bf-109G-2's, C205's etc...
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Good:
No enemy icons
Friend icons no shorter than 1k or longer that 2k
maps ok
AvA balanced plane sets
Bad
Numbers Numbers Numbers, we all need to push the AvA Arena
just some prosposals for good plane sets
BoB setup 109E4 vs Hurrie1 spit1
mediteran Europe setup:
202 109f4 109g2 vs spit 5 seafire P40
ju87 | b25
northern European setup
190A5 109g2 109g6 vs Spit 9 Hurrie 2 P47d25
Eastern front
LA5 Yak 9T vs 190A5/A8 109G6
:salute
+1
Chilli. yes .Jugs were used
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Lookee what I found..... :cool: HTC makes it easy to do comparisons :rock
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=28&p2=41&pw=2>ype=0 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=28&p2=41&pw=2>ype=0)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=28&p2=41&pw=2>ype=0)
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or you could use this http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php (http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php)
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Of course, the moment you start talking about jugs... all I could think of was beer...
Jugs of German beer. mmmmmmm
(http://www.kvpbrewing.com/images/german_beer_girls_k8jj.jpg)
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hmmm good thing i'm headed there next summer 2011. family brewery waiting for me!!
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Awesome Jaeger1 :aok
:rofl Fork, how much you wanna bet the one on the left is on her second mug? :cheers: You made me change my sig
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Hello all,
Most of you know about my longtime preference and support to AvA (Ex-CT). It is my opinion that AvA is heading in the right direction. In practically all areas.
I believe that AvA weak point is in numbers, especially in Euro Time Zone. Right now, this is the only reason that makes me log into EW or MW. I have logged on with one or two players on and had to leave because they seem to be afk. Quite frustrating, really.
More air traffic in AvA between 21:00 and 24:00 hours GMT, please. That's all I wish for.
<S> all
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Hi sparow
The 358th Daybreakers are trying like heck to populate the arena in all time zones, Monday thru Wednesday this past week we had some decent attendance starting around 22:00-23:00hrs GMT. Loose Deuce stopped in and a good time was had by all.
Maybe you can help us by bringing some GMT players with you.
Check out the website. Most of the forum is open to visitors and you can see what we are trying to plan. You can even register as a limited member.
http://358daybreakers.webs.com/
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Hi Jimson,
I'm honoured by your kind invitation. I will surely visit your " virtual home". I'm very aware of the great efforts that you all are doing in order to bring more people into AvA in weird GMT hours... Unfortunately, I am unable to bring more people in. 249 RAF roster is totally depleted, a shadow of what once was, reduced to a memory, a one man squadron on the fringe of extinction. RL not allowing me no more than a few hours of flight every week, I also regret not beeing able to be present more often.
I'll check your site and will try to check into AvA in different evenings other than Wednesdays and Sundays.
Keep up the good work and <S>
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You'll find me in there more often, so as the situations remain good through different moderators setting up their terrains and so long people want to work together. Numbers
Fun!
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Good :aok
No enemy icons
Friend icons no shorter than 1k or longer that 2k
Shorter maps for now... keep action up
AvA balanced plane sets
well placed AK
Good group of mature pilots
Bad :cry
lack Arena momentum
Inconsistency. Lack of Continuity and consistency with arena set ups...
poorly placed AK.
Lack of a daily/nightly dedicated regular population.
To much Pacific theater plane set repetition.
Nr Raven pretty much sums up my feelings also. <S> to Nr Raven
With regards to "Inconsistency. Lack of Continuity and consistency with arena set ups..." that is already starting. The current setup BofB has had the Radar set to in-destructable. Obviously this was done to dampen the no-icon effect at the request of somone possibly.
Those of you that "clamor for "more numbers" should be ready and willing to resist the increased change requests that come with your increased numbers. Where do the changes stop? When it is no different than MA other than the plane set?
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With regards to "Inconsistency. Lack of Continuity and consistency with arena set ups..." that is already starting. The current setup BofB has had the Radar set to in-destructable. Obviously this was done to dampen the no-icon effect at the request of somone possibly.
Those of you that "clamor for "more numbers" should be ready and willing to resist the increased change requests that come with your increased numbers. Where do the changes stop? When it is no different than MA other than the plane set?
The radar thing is my fault...and it's just an experiment to see if it helps or hinders the action, especially when night comes along...I suggested it to prevent the lame unecessary porking of base radars that otherwise were not being attacked and because on large maps especially there have been complaints about not being able to find the action when dar is down.
There is discussion going on as to what standards can or should be used in order to promote more activity and create an environment that is reasonable for not only the experienced but also the occasional players that want to try something different. The end goal is to build a population of dedicated players that enjoy the more historical and immersive experience that can be had in the AvA...while making reasonable efforts to discourage lame activity.
The AvA staff is welcoming recommendations but, as with all suggestions, consider the impact on other players and whether or not a suggestion will help or hinder participation...fact is right now participation is spotty so everyone should expect at least some temporary changes to some settings just to see what works and what doesn't.
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If the AvA is aiming for realism then the indestructible radar makes perfect sense in the European theater. Getting rid of radar and effective command and control was not possible with a few bombs in Europe.
As someone with lots of experience with no icon arenas, the combination of no radar and no icons kills numbers very fast, especially in a big terrain. If you can't find the fight, you don't fly in the arena.
Instead of thinking of game radar as equivalent to its real world counterpart one should think of it as the total system used to detect track and intercept hostile aircraft by both sides. Electronic means were used alongside visual reports in every theater. Radio was used to give the information to the pilot. Instead of radio calls we get pretty colored dots.
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If the AvA is aiming for realism then the indestructible radar makes perfect sense in the European theater. Getting rid of radar and effective command and control was not possible with a few bombs in Europe.
As someone with lots of experience with no icon arenas, the combination of no radar and no icons kills numbers very fast, especially in a big terrain. If you can't find the fight, you don't fly in the arena.
Instead of thinking of game radar as equivalent to its real world counterpart one should think of it as the total system used to detect track and intercept hostile aircraft by both sides. Electronic means were used alongside visual reports in every theater. Radio was used to give the information to the pilot. Instead of radio calls we get pretty colored dots.
+1
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radar is blow-upable again!......with a twist!
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If the AvA is aiming for realism then the indestructible radar makes perfect sense in the European theater. Getting rid of radar and effective command and control was not possible with a few bombs in Europe.
As someone with lots of experience with no icon arenas, the combination of no radar and no icons kills numbers very fast, especially in a big terrain. If you can't find the fight, you don't fly in the arena.
Instead of thinking of game radar as equivalent to its real world counterpart one should think of it as the total system used to detect track and intercept hostile aircraft by both sides. Electronic means were used alongside visual reports in every theater. Radio was used to give the information to the pilot. Instead of radio calls we get pretty colored dots.
What is the purpose of "Base Flashing" then?
You can't find a fight with a flashing base (no matter the map size)? You can but you have to put a tiny bit of effort into it. I know what's coming next, the range is too short. My answer, increase it.
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It's more and more obvious to me that the type of settings we are talking about are really geared toward Squad type activities. Squads bring numbers and participants are usually aware of what they'rer getting into (usually the reason they're in the arena to begin with).
When I see "the numbers" they are usually due to Squad participation.
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Posted by gyrene81:
The radar thing is my fault...and it's just an experiment to see if it helps or hinders the action, especially when night comes along...I suggested it to prevent the lame unnecessary porking of base radars that otherwise were not being attacked and because on large maps especially there have been complaints about not being able to find the action when dar is down.
No need to apologize, nothing out of line here. I also suggested to Jaeger that something be done about dar porking. Players enter the arena, selectively pork a few radars then sit back and wait for the opposition to launch and feel like they've gained an edge.
In an arena with lower numbers and very low icon settings radar helps create and sustain the fights. Most players in the AvA don't use radar as a substitute for good SA once the fights on but it does help people find the fight in the first place. The CM is simply trying foster game play and build some momentum in the arena. Seems the decision to make radar porkable again is a bit premature.
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If the AvA is aiming for realism then the indestructible radar makes perfect sense in the European theater. Getting rid of radar and effective command and control was not possible with a few bombs in Europe.
As someone with lots of experience with no icon arenas, the combination of no radar and no icons kills numbers very fast, especially in a big terrain. If you can't find the fight, you don't fly in the arena.
Instead of thinking of game radar as equivalent to its real world counterpart one should think of it as the total system used to detect track and intercept hostile aircraft by both sides. Electronic means were used alongside visual reports in every theater. Radio was used to give the information to the pilot. Instead of radio calls we get pretty colored dots.
:aok
Doc,
I would hope that you could step aside from your personal feelings about radar, and look at the entire picture, as stated above. We had a brief discussion about this earlier this week, you and I. I just want to add 2 of the points I wish that you would give consideration to.
- Why give one country an advantage / disadvantage with radar enabled here and not there?
- It is very disappointing to enter an arena looking to engage in a fight, see the base flashing and fly for 15 minutes with no success. That is when you will find more and more potential players logging off.
As you pointed out this is not the Main Arena (large numbers available to defend every flashing base, with the added luxury of a 6,000 ft icon range for enemy). Why hide? Are you in a goon trying to capture bases unopposed? <- Not an accusation, but the only reason that I could think of where I don't want to be spotted.
Posted by gyrene81:
No need to apologize, nothing out of line here. I also suggested to Jaeger that something be done about dar porking. Players enter the arena, selectively pork a few radars then sit back and wait for the opposition to launch and feel like they've gained an edge.
In an arena with lower numbers and very low icon settings radar helps create and sustain the fights. Most players in the AvA don't use radar as a substitute for good SA once the fights on but it does help people find the fight in the first place. The CM is simply trying foster game play and build some momentum in the arena. Seems the decision to make radar porkable again is a bit premature.
:aok
So, it seems that I was not the only "someone" who has a problem with the easy destruction of radar and its effect on this "no enemy icon" arena. I just assume that it is a carry over from other arenas, where the focus is entirely different.
Previously, I have asked folks not to take dar down, with a brief explanation. The response is usually, along of the lines of sorry, I wasn't trying to ruin anyone's fun. So, I have come to the conclusion that it is just a programmed decision to do so, with out any real consideration for the impact it has on the arena as a whole.
Porking Radar -2
Radar Porkers (given a pass)
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actually right now its set to die for only 10 minutes, so they'll have to keep bombing it if they want it to stay down. i can harden it a bit more too if necessary
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:aok
Doc,
I would hope that you could step aside from your personal feelings about radar I prefer to them as opinions and they're the only kind I have (personal ones)
, and look at the entire picture My opinions reflect what I think would be good for the "entire picture". If you think my views are looking at the "small picture" that's fine
, as stated above. We had a brief discussion about this earlier this week, you and I. I just want to add 2 of the points I wish that you would give consideration to.
- Why give one country an advantage / disadvantage with radar enabled here and not there?
Not sure what this means, I thought radar could be destroyed for both sides.
- It is very disappointing to enter an arena looking to engage in a fight, see the base flashing and fly for 15 minutes with no success
Agree with this, would not find it fun either
. That is when you will find more and more potential players logging off I can see how this would happen if the previous happened regularly
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As you pointed out this is not the Main Arena (large numbers available to defend every flashing base, with the added luxury of a 6,000 ft icon range for enemy). Why hide? Are you in a goon trying to capture bases unopposed? <- Not an accusation, but the only reason that I could think of where I don't want to be spotted No matter what I say to this one it will be picked apart because most all of it will involve shooting down unsuspecting pilots (bombers as well as fighters), besides anyone can get my opinions on this from many of my older posts if they choose
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Basically, I am very excited we have a no-icon arena and that the arena is AVA. It's been a long battle to get to this point. I'm sure settings will change again before it's all said and done and may never be made "permanent" at any point. There will never be settings that make everyone completely happy so I hope it settles at a happy medium (between the no-icon crowd and the I need settings to offset the fact you have no icons crowd) and not go to the extreme on any setting.
I don't like going back and forth attempting to answer everything that is posted about me or about a subject I feel strongly about so I try to say my piece and move on when I can. I do speak up in the arena chat buffer sometimes so if you (meaning anyone) want to discuss anything in the arena feel free but don't to brow beat me if I disagree with you. We all have a right to our opinions, this is America of course!
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So what is the 10 minute down time suppose to do? Just be a minor pain in the arse?
Some how that idea seems fitting.
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So what is the 10 minute down time suppose to do? Just be a minor pain in the arse?
Some how that idea seems fitting.
Point taken, LOL.
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No matter what I say to this one it will be picked apart because most all of it will involve shooting down unsuspecting pilots (bombers as well as fighters), besides anyone can get my opinions on this from many of my older posts if they choose
Okay, Doc I think I have a better idea of your motivation, and I agree that slipping in for a surprise attack on a large group of bombers or fighters does have its appeal from the stand point of actual tactics deployed at the time. :cheers:
The upside to the arena settings with no enemy icons, is that you still are able to deliver that surprise. The dar dots don't give away anything other than an approximate location, not altitude, direction or speed (all things that the lil red banner used to tell us). I have filmed our squad scrambling to dodge such an attack. :joystick: The vox chatter was quite excited, and our survival instincts were tested. :uhoh This all happened so quickly that dar dot gave us little warning at all. That may have been the exception, or just an exceptional pilot, but it ended up being an experience that I wouldn't mind returning to.
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the 10 minute setting was a test. i have now finished with the test and the radar has normal down times. people wanted to kill the radar, but see dots too, so i had to figure it out.
thank you for your patience and understanding while we test some odds and ends to see what works and what doesn't. I especially enjoyed the words of encouragement from the community.
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Hey AvA community!!! :salute
I have an idea that MIGHT get you more participation I'd like to pitch...
I know you want more numbers more often. AvA is a worthwhile arena. I need to get in there more often myself.
I would like to offer at least one idea for consideration.
On the "off" FSO night (or Saturday nights for more frequency), set up a huge event. You should try to target the FSO community to bulid on your numbers in the arena. Then the addiction starts from there.
One thing I have noticed is that the MAs are not aware when events are occurring in AvA. I think that the "CM" should be able to type out to the other arenas (in the light blue text we often see for other events) in order to advertise an event a couple hours in advance then every 30 minutes until it opens up for battle. Possibly run it as a snap shot in the beginning to get players attention in AvA.
My humble opinion is that AvA doesn't get the advertisement it deserves. I see people trying to spread the word during normal play but that really isn't enough.
If you guys decide to set up a night in which you offer a major event, I bet you can get some FSO squads to play in there. I would start there if I were you. If I knew what the schedule was, I could attempt to recruit some of my squadies in there. I think we'd have a goo dtime in AvA with good numbers on both sides.
Just my opinion.
:salute
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There aren't any actual "events" in the AvA. Setups are run for a week at a time (it was Thurs thru Wed but I think it's moved to Fri thru Thurs)...once in a while Jaeger will setup a "warz" type thing and advertise it heavily in the forums, just not as an announcement on the arenas like special events do.
Not sure how a "special event" would play out on the AvA but...never know.
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slipknt how are you on a monday night? i might set up a massive bombing raid?? what say you?
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Depending on time, I can make a bombing run... Want me to bring a few? What time and which plane / ord???
Regarding my post. While I understand the weekly thing (or group of days), like I saw earlier in some postings, I wouldn't want to come in to the arenas to take bases if others are not on. We would want a fight. And if not take a base, run some CAP missions. Fighter sweeps, bomber escorts, etc...
It is a good opportunity for my squad to run some squad tactics training and FSO training. Additionally, the post is more about getting larger squads to visit and participate in AvA. Again, my proposal would be to get something going on the off night for FSO. If advertised properly, you may get a good showing. Believe it or not, there are some VF15 members that wouldn't mind partaking in such an event. We do have good SOP on wingman flight and would love the training and opportunity to employ it in AvA.
I know we often get accused of hording, but to the trained eye, we are working as "1" and employing wingman tactics, SA, and flight discipline. It would appear that AvA may be a good place to do this.
Let me know about the time for Monday. I wouldn't mind coming for that. Manual calibration, correct?
:rock
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shoot, just realized i cant do it on monday night. how about tuesday night?? how does that work. i have to look at the map to see what we can blow up but that shouldnt be too much trouble.
bring as many friends as you like, we're good up to 200, which i believe is the cap on the AVA.
still havent decided what to use, you want 17's??
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Keep me posted on when... Hopefully it would be Tuesday night for me to participate, if not, I'll still let the LCA squad know about the Monday night thing (since I'm busy Monday nights)
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Hope to see the day/night rotation in the future also, and don't mind to see the night last a little longer so its possible to plan a nightraid or whatever.
Also feel free to play some with the color settings of Clouds/sky/fog making some overcast looking maps with dark grey sky from time to time? Just to add some thrill and randomness to the arena. Think that will help to catch the interest of new people just dropping in to have a look, let them see something new and different from all the other arenas.
And for the :old: buggers perhaps some change would be just good for the heart. :aok
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