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Title: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Foz on March 27, 2010, 06:39:53 PM
Hi all

I have been playing for a couple of months now and just recently discovered the advanced tab under graphics detail in AH.

Turning on any of the settings in the advanced area drops my frame-rate to what I would consider unplayable levels (~30 FPS).

Therefore I am wondering what the best bang for the buck upgrade would be to increase my FPS on my current machine?

I am currently running a

Intel Core 2 Quad 6600 @ 2.4ghz
4 GB RAM
Nvidia 8800GT 1 GB
MSI p35 NEO MB
1 TB WD Black HD
Win XP

I would appreciate any recommendations for possible upgrade paths (upgrade vid car?, cpu?, hopeless?)

Thanks for the help.

Foz


Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: BaldEagl on March 27, 2010, 07:07:49 PM
First of all the machine you're running should be able to run everything at max including the high res pack but not self shadows or soft shadows.  Soft shadows are a real frame killer.

Since you're running XP I assume it's the 32 bit version.  If so that 1 Gb of RAM on the video card is eating into the system RAM and you're probably only using around 2.5 Gb of the system RAM.

Finally, your quad core CPU is probably only utilizing two cores as most games aren't optimized for quad cores.

All that said the biggest bang for the buck would be to clean up your machine.  Run cleanup and defrag, go to blackviper.com and turn off all unessesary Windows services, make sure any and all automatic updaters are turned off and make sure you don't have any applications running in the background while gaming including your security package although you can leave the firewall on if you're not behind a router.

The next thing to do, if you are comfortable with it and have sufficient cooling, would be to overclock the CPU to get a little more out of it.

If all that doesn't do it for you then a new Core2Duo CPU and a 512 Mb video card would do wonders.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: AirFlyer on March 27, 2010, 07:32:56 PM
First of all the machine you're running should be able to run everything at max including the high res pack but not self shadows or soft shadows.  Soft shadows are a real frame killer.

Since you're running XP I assume it's the 32 bit version.  If so that 1 Gb of RAM on the video card is eating into the system RAM and you're probably only using around 2.5 Gb of the system RAM.

Finally, your quad core CPU is probably only utilizing two cores as most games aren't optimized for quad cores.

All that said the biggest bang for the buck would be to clean up your machine.  Run cleanup and defrag, go to blackviper.com and turn off all unessesary Windows services, make sure any and all automatic updaters are turned off and make sure you don't have any applications running in the background while gaming including your security package although you can leave the firewall on if you're not behind a router.

The next thing to do, if you are comfortable with it and have sufficient cooling, would be to overclock the CPU to get a little more out of it.

If all that doesn't do it for you then a new Core2Duo CPU and a 512 Mb video card would do wonders.

This ^^^

I've got a comp with almost the same specs(512mb version of the GPU though) and it can run the game maxed and with self shadows on(2mb flavor) at a nice 60 fps. If your comp is having trouble I can only imagine it's heat(8800GTs seem to be real good at that) or you need to clean up your Operating System some like Bald Eagle said.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: TequilaChaser on March 27, 2010, 08:00:59 PM
after you have defragged and cleaned up your system,

you will want to be some where around 24 processes or less running at Boot Up...... ( hit CTRL-ALT-DEL  to launch Task Manager )

even better would be in the 18 to 20 processes running  ( example: on  my WinXP pro 32 bit OS, I have 17 processes running idle at Boot Up )

next, you may want to think about setting your PageFile manually to a set amount for both the minimum & maximum, instead of letting Windows manage your Virtual Memory for you ( example: I set mine manually to 4990 MB, this is what Windows says is recommended so I set both Max & Min to this amount, and it keeps the pagefile set to a specific place on my HD, instead of all over the place )

make sure your Video Driver and your Sound Driver is the most optimal Driver for your specific PC setup

hope this helps  /  Good Luck
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: guncrasher on March 28, 2010, 02:03:57 AM
another option would be to upgrade to win7 64bit.  cheaper than having to buy another processor and vc.  also can you list your power supply?  it might not be sufficient.

semp
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: cattb on March 28, 2010, 03:22:47 AM
I have a AMD 8750 2.4 overclocked to 3.0 with a 8800gt g92 processor and 4 gb RAM with 3 GB registered in a 32 bit system..I have VMWare and other application software installed on my PC. I can run a good 59 frame rate most of the time with over 50 processes and my antivrus and firewall on. On a occasion my frame rate drops but I am guessing its my anti virus updating. My frame rate never drops enough to bother me.
You should follow the others suggestions before investing.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Boozeman on March 28, 2010, 04:47:30 AM
I think you need to focus on the processor. It's a low clocked quad core, and since AH will utilize 2 cores best (the other 2 not that much) you need clockspeed.

1. Option: Overclock your CPU. I see a lot of Q6600s running at 3,2 GHz witout any sweat. 3.0 Ghz should be a piece of quake. But only if your motherboard supports overclocking, and you probably need to upgrade your CPU-cooler too, maybe even the PSU. But you loose your warranty, if you still have one. Overall, this option is only viable if you have the right surroundings.

2. CPU change. An E8400 C2D should give you plenty of power in AH (a fast dual core) but will eventually cost you performance in other applications. Depends on what kind of software you run. If it's web browsing, office, multimedia and AH, a fast dual core is the right choice. But if you do more professional stuff like rendering, video editing, number crunching etc. a quad core is a better CPU for that. In that case, a faster quadcore would be the way to go.   
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Spikes on March 28, 2010, 08:46:42 AM
You can definitely overclock that sucker for sure. Those Q6600s overclock very well, actually all of the Q6-9's OC well. Just need a good CPU cooler.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Krusty on March 28, 2010, 09:21:32 AM
Overclocking in this situation is like saying "the car is stuck, quick, get me 10 guys to push it!"

when a single guy can easily push it if you shift it to neutral first.


the problem should not be solved by brute force because your system is more than capable of running AH. If it is horribly bogged down and you simply overclock it (rather than remedying the bog) it can become more and more bogged until even your overclock is nullified.

Don't overclock until it's does what it should on "stock" settings first. Chances are once you get to that point you'll be more than happy and won't want to bother anyway.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: TequilaChaser on March 28, 2010, 09:42:56 AM
Overclocking in this situation is like saying "the car is stuck, quick, get me 10 guys to push it!"

when a single guy can easily push it if you shift it to neutral first.


the problem should not be solved by brute force because your system is more than capable of running AH. If it is horribly bogged down and you simply overclock it (rather than remedying the bog) it can become more and more bogged until even your overclock is nullified.

Don't overclock until it's does what it should on "stock" settings first. Chances are once you get to that point you'll be more than happy and won't want to bother anyway.

Excellent Post, Krusty  :aok
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Boozeman on March 28, 2010, 10:11:08 AM
Well Krusty, what is your recommendation then?
 
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Krusty on March 28, 2010, 11:12:28 AM
All that said the biggest bang for the buck would be to clean up your machine.  Run cleanup and defrag, go to blackviper.com and turn off all unessesary Windows services, make sure any and all automatic updaters are turned off and make sure you don't have any applications running in the background while gaming including your security package although you can leave the firewall on if you're not behind a router.

Bald summed it up.

Go through, turn off things like EA game loader, or webshots desktop rotation, or all those little programs that load.

Second would be to remove extra "on start" programs. things like QuickTime's annoying plugin, as well as Adobe PDF reader's, and that MS Office quick launch thing that sits in memory, and all that other junk.

Third would be to go into your windows services and disable some of the junk you really don't want or need. This is the hardest part -- finding out what you need and what you don't. Google is your friend, but don't take it all at face value, check several websites until you start recognizing which ones are more reputable than others. Some just try and say everything is spyware, a virus, or a horrible threat in order to get you to buy their software/service/whatever.

These 3 suggestions all fall under bald's "clean up your system" comment.

That will help more folks than you might think. Vista is craptacular about this. I don't know about win7 but it's much more bloated than XP. Then there are the OEM installs of XP from HP, Dell, and other places that load on 70-80 processes running in the background and really kill any machine.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Boozeman on March 28, 2010, 12:25:35 PM
Well, the OP runs XP, so a bloated Vista is already out of the equation.

A system clean up will not help much. His system is strong enough to run 50+ background processes without a sweat.
His bottleneck is most likely the CPU. AH can utillize dual cores best, and thus the more GHz, the merrier.
This means a 2,4 GHz quad is not an ideal processor for AH - and a cleanup will not change this.
Sure, it will not hurt either, but the results will be very minor, if noticeable at all. 
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: TequilaChaser on March 28, 2010, 12:34:02 PM
Foz, would you mind posting the 1st 1/2 to 2/3rds of your DXDIAG info

this will help everyone alot in offering you advice, also let us know how many processes you have running at idle would be helpful


it is crazy to have 1/2 of your resources and CPU being used up with running 45 to 60 processes / services while idle......

some people can run as low as 13 processes/services using winXP OS and still be able to do everything on a computer as everyone else that has 50+ running at idle..... the only difference is the ones with the lower processes/services is able to maximize their computer CPU  & memory performance...for their systems are not bogged down at the get go.........
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Krusty on March 28, 2010, 12:38:55 PM
A system clean up will not help much. His system is strong enough to run 50+ background processes without a sweat.

That depends entirely on what processes they are, don't you think? Some of the default installed things are really resource hogs. Even goin from a "mere" 40 processes down to 28 can make loads of noticable change on a fast system.

His bottleneck is most likely the CPU. AH can utillize dual cores best, and thus the more GHz, the merrier.
This means a 2,4 GHz quad is not an ideal processor for AH - and a cleanup will not change this.
Sure, it will not hurt either, but the results will be very minor, if noticeable at all. 

Wrong. He is not bottlenecked by his CPU. His CPU is more than fast enough to run everything he throws at it. It's not the CPUs fault if the software is being slowed down. Don't forget you're not just sending raw data to the CPU. You're sending commands to an OS, and if that OS is bogged down and trying to compute stuff it doesn't need, it's inefficient in how it sends individual bits of data to the CPU.

Would you rather run a dust buster with a clean air filter or a dirty one? Clean air filter sucks things up nice and fast, but a dirty filter takes almost all the suction out of it.

In this case, running 50 processes is a severely gunked up filter, and no matter what horsepower you got behind it, the filter (the OS, the processes running) is going to slow down what goes in and what comes out.


P.S. You do realize that the core2duos redid the basic performance and efficiency of Intel processors, right? For any given GhZ rating, even a Core2Duo running on a single core will outstrip a P4 of the same GHz.

A P4 3.0 GHz can be outperformed by a C2D E6400 running at 2.13GhZ, probably. And that's a low-level C2D chip compared to a high level P4. They only get (much) better as you go up the ranks. His 6600 quad may "only" run at 2.4 GHz, but it's way better than a P4 3.2 GHz overall.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Ghosth on March 28, 2010, 12:42:21 PM
Glary Utilities is very helpful for cleaning up your start menu. And for learning what process's can and can't safely be shut down.

Getting your startmenu cleaned up is the first step to taking control of your computer.

I don't take it as far as TC these days, but I'm running a 2 + year old system and frame rates are still pegged at 60.
With 23 - 25 processes running. That is with leaving skype up, and running Ventrillo.

Clean up your system first. Then see where you are.

Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: BaldEagl on March 28, 2010, 12:49:45 PM
A system clean up will not help much.

That depends entirely on the user.  For someone who understands how to keep a system clean then no, it won't help much.  But there are so many who never run cleanup, never defrag, etc.  And then add on top of that those who spend a lot of time downloading things, etc. and those machines can be a mess.  I wouldn't be surprized at all to find someone like that having all kinds of stuff loading at startup and running in the background.  For them it would make a big difference.

I can still get 15-45 fps (average 25 fps) out of my 1.2Ghz PIII Tualitin (100Mhz FSB) with 768 Mb of PC100 SDRAM and a 32 Mb GeForce 440MX GT in AH.  I don't use it to play but installed the game to test it when everyone was complaining about the last major graphics upgrade.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Foz on March 28, 2010, 01:36:58 PM
Hi All

I used enditall.exe with the help of the suggested blackviper.com info to shutdown approximately 40 processes...leaving approximately 28 up and running.  This made a noticeable difference in FR while sitting on the runway and looking around....however on a typical flight, looking out the right or left view or looking down at the gauges would sometimes cause the FR to dip into the low 30's.

I am currently formating a drive to install windows and just the drivers, software necessary to run AH to see if that improves the situation any.  

If this test fails, what should be the next step?  I guess I need to know is AH more CPU dependent or GPU dependent?

Thanks for all the help so far :-)

BTW XP sees 3.25 GB of my 4 GB of RAM

Will provide the Power Supply information when able.

Foz
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: 715 on March 28, 2010, 02:55:05 PM
That depends entirely on what processes they are, don't you think? Some of the default installed things are really resource hogs. Even goin from a "mere" 40 processes down to 28 can make loads of noticable change on a fast system.

I suspect it does very much depend on the processes.  But on my machine it makes no difference whatsoever: at 46 processes I got 120 fps, at 31 processes I got 120 fps (same conditions same location same view, vsync off for testing).  So it is possible that cleaning up background processes can lead to no improvement at all.

XP SP3, 1280x1024, stock E8400, 4GB RAM, stock HD4850 w 512M, all AH settings maxed including 1024 self shadows with smoothing
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Spikes on March 28, 2010, 02:59:05 PM
The CPU can run AH yes, but if it would possibly help his FR by optimizing it, why not? Drop 50 bucks into a good cooler and that CPU will scream.

I agree with cleaning up the system. But it could be a combination of all of the things mentioned.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: The Fugitive on March 28, 2010, 02:59:24 PM
I suspect it does very much depend on the processes.  But on my machine it makes no difference whatsoever: at 46 processes I got 120 fps, at 31 processes I got 120 fps (same conditions same location same view, vsync off for testing).  So it is possible that cleaning up background processes can lead to no improvement at all.

XP SP3, 1280x1024, stock E8400, 4GB RAM, stock HD4850 w 512M, all AH settings maxed including 1024 self shadows with smoothing

well sure if your system is fast already your not going to see a heck of alot of improvement, but on a marginal system it could make a huge difference.

Foz, post what ingame setting you are using as well, texture size, shadows and such.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Krusty on March 28, 2010, 05:19:01 PM
There are also some video settings that may screw you up, even with your video card. Can you give a rundown of how you tweaked your vid card properties? FSAA, aniso, supersampling, etc?
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: cattb on March 28, 2010, 09:51:23 PM
 IMO  going from a 2.8 dual core to a 2.4 triple core. 2.4 is a little slow for this game. IF his perormance does not meet expectations once computer is cleaned up. A mild overclock would help. Intel has good headroom on their procesors, he should be able to get a overclock with out a voltage bump.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Boozeman on March 29, 2010, 05:25:10 AM
That depends entirely on what processes they are, don't you think? Some of the default installed things are really resource hogs. Even goin from a "mere" 40 processes down to 28 can make loads of noticable change on a fast system.

I disagree. I have 46 background processes running, CPU usage is 2-5% at idle with a 2,67 GHz C2D. Cutting down on that will maybe ease the load by 1-2 %. In relation to the CPUs capabillities, this is absolutely unnoticable.   





Wrong. He is not bottlenecked by his CPU. His CPU is more than fast enough to run everything he throws at it. It's not the CPUs fault if the software is being slowed down. Don't forget you're not just sending raw data to the CPU. You're sending commands to an OS, and if that OS is bogged down and trying to compute stuff it doesn't need, it's inefficient in how it sends individual bits of data to the CPU.

You are wrong I'm afraid. His CPU is NOT fast enough to get AH maxed. The 5% overhead load will not have any decisive negative effects on that. 


Would you rather run a dust buster with a clean air filter or a dirty one? Clean air filter sucks things up nice and fast, but a dirty filter takes almost all the suction out of it.

Krusty, let these analogys go. They are ridiculous. Really.

In this case, running 50 processes is a severely gunked up filter, and no matter what horsepower you got behind it, the filter (the OS, the processes running) is going to slow down what goes in and what comes out.

In this case it's like a filter filled to 5% no more.   


P.S. You do realize that the core2duos redid the basic performance and efficiency of Intel processors, right? For any given GhZ rating, even a Core2Duo running on a single core will outstrip a P4 of the same GHz.

A P4 3.0 GHz can be outperformed by a C2D E6400 running at 2.13GhZ, probably. And that's a low-level C2D chip compared to a high level P4. They only get (much) better as you go up the ranks. His 6600 quad may "only" run at 2.4 GHz, but it's way better than a P4 3.2 GHz overall.

I know. But my point still stands. 2,4 GHz @ Core Architecture is still not fast enough, considering you can have Core architecture running at speed up to 3,6 Ghz. And that makes the difference. You cannot ignore a 50% increse in clockspeed in a CPU loaded game like AH and trying to match that with 1-2 % overhead you can free up with a clean up.   
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Wobbly on March 29, 2010, 05:34:03 AM
Can't see if you have a separate sound card from the spec you post - of you are running onboard this will sap CPU energy. I have a XP64/E6600/8800GTS/4mb ram/Creative Soundblaster X-Fi soundcard and I get 75fps on max hi-res except shadows.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Krusty on March 29, 2010, 09:13:40 AM
You are wrong I'm afraid. His CPU is NOT fast enough to get AH maxed. The 5% overhead load will not have any decisive negative effects on that. 

Wrong.

Just... plain wrong.

Many folks run on lesser systems. This is NOT a horribly intensive game. I currently have an E6420 (2.13GHz, 1066 FSB) and I can quite easily max everything in AH out. The limiting factor for me is my budget video card.

I'm telling you from first hand experience his CPU is way more powerful than AH will need any time in the forseeable future. If he is having problems with 15 fps it's NOT because his system is underpowered.

Period.

If there's a problem stopping his system from running properly at 2.4 GHz, the SAME problem will be present if he overclocks it. He needs to treat the problem, not the symptom. The symptom goes away if he does this, an the situation is resolved.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: SKColt on March 29, 2010, 09:42:51 AM
 I also agree that the Q6600 is fast enough to run the game ust fine. I am running the CPU at 3.1 Ghz with a 9800GTX card. Video settings are maxed, including shadows on. FRs stay at 59fps.

 I temporarily dropped the CPU speed to stock 2.4 and I was still able to run the game maxed.

 I am using a Samsunh T240HD 24 inch monitor running the desktop and the game at the native resolution of 1920X1200. No problems!

 OS is WIN 7 Pro 64 bit, 4 gig 1066 ram.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Foz on March 29, 2010, 07:25:54 PM
OK I did a clean OS install and just the basic items to get AH up and running.  That got me down to 22 processes.

It did help but I do not believe it will be satisfactory from a FR standpoint... I still get dips down into the 30's in some standard situations even with shadows off.

So the question is what is the next step....OC CPU?  Get a new video card....there seems to be some debate on what would be the best move.

For those that asked I am including some screens of my current settings for the video card in game and out.

(http://countymonitor.com/files/2010/03/videocard_crop.jpg)
(http://countymonitor.com/files/2010/03/graphic_detail_crop.jpg)
(http://countymonitor.com/files/2010/03/3d_settings_1_crop.jpg)
(http://countymonitor.com/files/2010/03/3d_settings_2_crop.jpg)


Additionally someone asked about my soundcard.....I have a built in sound card I am using...think it is a Realtek....however in the clean install the first go round the drivers did not install properly so I just used my usb headset instead.

PS is 600 w

I have an aftermarket CPU Cooler with two 120mm fans.

Thanks again for all the input.

If I left anything out please ask and I will provide it.

Foz
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Spikes on March 29, 2010, 07:30:25 PM
Well, if it is a clean OS, and you have seen little result, yes, the next test would be to slowly, and carefully start 'boosting' your system. Do you have an aftermarket cooler?

But I do think your 8800GT would be your biggest bottleneck.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Krusty on March 29, 2010, 07:31:30 PM
I'm curious... that 8800 is a nice card (no doubt about it) but I'm wondering if that FSAA maxed out is causing it. Can you lower it to 4x FSAA or so? Second notch in, probably? As a test, what kind of FPS does that yield?

At lower resolutions I don't think it would be as much of an issue, but at 1600 I'm curious.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: BaldEagl on March 29, 2010, 07:45:09 PM
The first thing I'd do is get an add-on soundcard.  The Creative X-Fi cards have their own processors and RAM and totally unload sound processing off the rest of the system.  The X-Fi Gamer is about $90.  Don't forget to disable the onboard sond and uninstall those drivers.

The next thing I'd do is OC the CPU.  If you're using the stock Intel fan I'd replace it first.  I use an Arctic Freezer 7 Pro (about $30) and it dropped my CPU temps by 10-15 degrees C.  Don't forget to get some Artcic Silver thermal paste at the same time.  Once you have a decent cooler you should be able to get an easy 20% gain out of your CPU (I run my 2.66 Ghz E6750 at 3.2 Ghz) as long as your motherboard supports overclocking.

After that the only real other option is a new video card.  A 9800GTX or GTX+ would give you a gain and probably without having to replace your current PSU but you'll need to verify that your PSU has the right connectors and puts out enough amps on the 12 volt rails.

IIRC you haven't mentioned what your RAM speed is but if it's under DDR2800 replacing it might also be a consideration, particularily if you OC the CPU.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: The Fugitive on March 29, 2010, 08:44:06 PM
I'm curious... that 8800 is a nice card (no doubt about it) but I'm wondering if that FSAA maxed out is causing it. Can you lower it to 4x FSAA or so? Second notch in, probably? As a test, what kind of FPS does that yield?

At lower resolutions I don't think it would be as much of an issue, but at 1600 I'm curious.

Ya thats the first think I noticed too. anti-alising take alot of horse power to run.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: TequilaChaser on March 29, 2010, 09:52:19 PM
anti-alising take alot of horse power to run.

so does an USB headset ........ 

bet if you dropped that 1600 x 1050 res back 1 or 2 clicks lower, you be chitten and a grinnin....... and might even be pegging out on your fps to whatever your monitor refresh rate is .....
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Krusty on March 29, 2010, 10:05:48 PM
Well the card might be strong enough to run pegged at that res if he lowers the FSAA.

Maybe (*shrug*).

The thing about FSAA is that it really was from a time before these gigantic resolutions we have now. It's much more helpful on lower resolutions where the jagged lines are much more visible because they were larger on our monitors. Now with larger and better monitors, the most you ever really need to antialias is 2x or 4x. Above that there's not much difference in the end result, and less so if you run at mega resolutions.

End result: Faster FPS for no visible loss in quality. Whether it makes a difference or not? Worth a shot!
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: BaldEagl on March 30, 2010, 12:53:03 AM
so does an USB headset ........  

bet if you dropped that 1600 x 1050 res back 1 or 2 clicks lower, you be chitten and a grinnin....... and might even be pegging out on your fps to whatever your monitor refresh rate is .....

I wouldn't run an LCD below it's native res.  It will look like crap.

I didn't notice the ingame AA maxed.  Lowering that might help a lot.  I control mine through the NVidia control panal and don't let the game overide my settings.

If you want to compare video settings I have an 8800 GTS 512Mb with the same G92 GPU that you have and I run a steady 59 fps (monitor refresh rate) in-game with all in-game options maxed except I don't use self shadows or soft shadows.  Here's my settings:

(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/NvidiaCPTop.jpg)
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/NvidiaCPBottom.jpg)
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Ghosth on March 30, 2010, 12:56:55 PM
I'm with Krusty, I'd start by pulling the AA down. I might even try dropping max texture size down one.

Might experiment even with lower screen resolution. As all those are easy to change and reset back to where you had them.

Also try turning the local water reflections off, see if that helps.

Also I wasn't following if you had a sound card vs onboard sound or USB headset, either of which will rob CPU cycles when you need them most.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Krusty on March 30, 2010, 02:23:31 PM
I don't think the issue is really one of CPU cycles being gobbled up. But that sparks a question I wanted to ask (and forgot to ask!). I'll post that in another thread.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: 38ruk on March 31, 2010, 10:42:55 AM
Which drivers are you running with the 8800GT?  I would also look at which IRQ's are shared .
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Foz on March 31, 2010, 04:22:26 PM
I am still doing some testing with the additional suggested settings ....thanks all  :)

Tell me if this thought process makes sense...under windows task manager-->performance tab.  My cpu usage for each core (when running 70 processes) stays well below 100% even when running AH.  

Would that data suggest that the CPU is not the rate limiting factor?

Also, I am using the latest nvidia graphic drivers and am including my irq assignments

Quote
IRQ 0   System timer   OK
IRQ 4   Communications Port (COM1)   OK
IRQ 8   System CMOS/real time clock   OK
IRQ 9   Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System   OK
IRQ 9   SCSI/RAID Host Controller   OK
IRQ 11   Intel(R) ICH9 Family SMBus Controller - 2930   OK
IRQ 12   Logitech-compatible Mouse PS/2   OK
IRQ 13   Numeric data processor   OK
IRQ 16   Intel(R) G33/G31/P35 Express Chipset PCI Express Root Port - 29C1   OK
IRQ 16   NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT    OK
IRQ 16   Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2937   OK
IRQ 16   Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller   OK
IRQ 16   Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 6 - 294A   OK
IRQ 16   Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2939   OK
IRQ 16   VIA OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller   OK
IRQ 17   Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 1 - 2940   OK
IRQ 17   Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 5 - 2948   OK
IRQ 17   Realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC   OK
IRQ 18   Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 293C   OK
IRQ 18   Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2936   OK
IRQ 19   Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2935   OK
IRQ 19   Intel(R) ICH9 2 port Serial ATA Storage Controller 1 - 2921   OK
IRQ 19   Intel(R) ICH9 2 port Serial ATA Storage Controller 2 - 2926   OK
IRQ 21   Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2938   OK
IRQ 22   Microsoft UAA Bus Driver for High Definition Audio   OK
IRQ 23   Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2934   OK
IRQ 23   Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 293A   OK


Thanks

Foz
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Spikes on March 31, 2010, 05:18:49 PM
I wouldn't think the CPU is limiting it, but it can surely help/go higher if need be.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: DREDIOCK on March 31, 2010, 05:20:07 PM
Bald summed it up.



Third would be to go into your windows services and disable some of the junk you really don't want or need. This is the hardest part -- finding out what you need and what you don't. Google is your friend, but don't take it all at face value, check several websites until you start recognizing which ones are more reputable than others.


Probably the best known is Black Viper
http://www.blackviper.com/
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Anodizer on March 31, 2010, 05:34:55 PM
Your set up should not be giving you the performance issues you are having.. 
My auxiliary system is more or less the same..  It has an e4400 C2D at 2.2ghz with a Geforce 9600GT(same pretty much as an 8800GT) and 2 gigs of RAM..
I can run it balls out with with 2 clicks of FSAA at 1440x900(no shadows)..  No over clocking or anything..  Just a stock XP install updated to SP3 using the latest drivers for everything..
Has a steady 59 fps regardless of the situation in gameplay.. 
If I had your system for any hour, it'd be running AH the way it should..  You don't happen to live in Indiana, do you?
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Krusty on March 31, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
Foz, is that example from before you started this thread, or are you STILL running 70 processes at idle?

Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: DREDIOCK on April 01, 2010, 06:52:36 PM
Foz, is that example from before you started this thread, or are you STILL running 70 processes at idle?


70 processes??  :O

Im surprised the thing isnt as slow as a drunken slug
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Spikes on April 02, 2010, 09:51:00 AM
Never really thought about the processes myself...I have 55 at idle...doesn't slow anything downa t all, though.
Title: Re: Improve Frame Rate - Best Option?
Post by: Ghastly on April 02, 2010, 09:55:19 AM
The problem isn't so much the extra processes, it's what those extra processes are usually comprised of ...

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