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Title: The problem with bombers?
Post by: Fatty on October 11, 2000, 12:49:00 PM

I really hate to get into this, because at all but the higher alts the advantage can still be negated by taking your time attacking bombers.  However, at high alts, I believe this is the reason they are pretty near impossible to take down.

When steering a bomber from the gunner position, there is no loss of speed.  Even complete circles, at about an 80 degree bank, the plane is losing neither speed nor altitude.

A short example in film is posted here (http://home.austin.rr.com/fdbfatty/films/b17test.zip), you can sit in the cockpit and watch the airspeed and altimeters, all steering is done from the gunner positions.



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Title: The problem with bombers?
Post by: Vermillion on October 11, 2000, 01:44:00 PM

Very Very interesting.....

Done with an observer doing the filming?

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Title: The problem with bombers?
Post by: Fatty on October 11, 2000, 04:23:00 PM

It's just me flying in offline mode, then I went back and looked at the film from the cockpit to observe the alt/airspeed.

Title: The problem with bombers?
Post by: juzz on October 12, 2000, 06:15:00 AM

The autopilot only manipulates the control surfaces, so a pilot could fly the plane with exactly the same performance manually anyway. The actual B-17G FM is the real fault here, if there is one.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)

Title: The problem with bombers?
Post by: LJK Raubvogel on October 12, 2000, 01:20:00 PM

Excuse my ignorance, I don't fly buffs much, but how do you fly a buff from a gunner position? Not being a smart prettythang, I honestly dont know.

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Title: The problem with bombers?
Post by: Ripsnort on October 12, 2000, 01:43:00 PM

 

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Originally posted by LJK Raubvogel:
Excuse my ignorance, I don't fly buffs much, but how do you fly a buff from a gunner position? Not being a smart prettythang, I honestly dont know.

Rudder pedals

Title: The problem with bombers?
Post by: juzz on October 13, 2000, 08:49:00 AM

Here's something I think must be wrong.

The test pilots at Boscome Down said it required a 140lb pull to recover a Lancaster from a 300mph IAS dive at +1.5G, and it took them a while too.

In the AH Lancaster, at the same speed you can easily pull up to +3G or more real quick and break the wings off.

Just how strong are these buff pilots in AH?

Title: The problem with bombers?
Post by: LJK_KämpferAs on October 15, 2000, 06:42:00 PM

Good point, I think that the "pilot" imput should be the same all speeds, ie giving less control imput as speed/forces increase. The control surfaces are hydrolics, but not boosted by the hydrolics.

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