Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Ripsnort on March 30, 2001, 08:51:00 AM
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Tips for an P51B newbie? (Whats best altitude performance, also, noted that after rockets are expended, its a PIG for turning!)
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LOL you not catchin this fishy! That's one of the easiest planes I have ever flown in any sim. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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No troll, do I fly it like the P51D? Can it turn better than P51D? Its got the same Merlin as D?
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I find it has markedly different control response below @ 200 than the D. Seems a lot mushier, more prone to dropping a wing under G load and a bit harder to recover if you do that.
But, I haven't flown it much either.
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I agree Toad. The B seems to be more like the vicious Kitty at low speed. I find it much more prone to a naaaaaasty snap stall than the D. Maybe that's just me though.. I haven't flown the D model in a while, and my Jug is so gentle and controlable at low speed in comparison.
But Rip, by all means fly it like the D. It is very similar in most respects. It isn't quite as fast down low, but it is faster up high. If you are doing a high alt escort, the B is a great choice.
Just be careful how you handle her at low speed. 51B can get the job done, but she takes a gentle hand on the stick. Slap her around too much and she'll bite you. Stroke her gently and she'll repay you with kills. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Rgr, thks, I was under the assumption that this plane performed poorly above 20k, but alas, am I thinking of the A model with the Allision?
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I only have one problem with the 51B and thats the piss poor hitting power of 4 .50's when you fly in a cannon dominated environment.
I get position, open up then find you cant hold the enemy in the bullets long enough to really hurt him without him laughing it off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mebbe i need to work on my guns convergence, sure looks like i got some serious practice to do in the next couple of weeks.
I could be wrong but i thought the B will turn better than the D lower and was a couple mph faster at high alts.
[This message has been edited by 214thCavalier (edited 03-30-2001).]
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Set the convergence around 250-300 and get in there before you shoot.
They work fine then.
Of course, this is easier said than done, given the overall capabilities of the "bad guys" around here!
That Yak with the 37mm is the same way. Get in close and fire 2-3 rounds. Things just fall apart. Very hard to score from a distance though.
Makes it interesting, doesn't it? So many different capabilities to master!
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Yes, any questions?
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Airfield Defense Squadron
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In my experience the P-51B has noticably better low-speed handling than the "D" does.
J_A_B
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I have flown the B almost exclusively since it came out. I find the B slightly better in a turning situation than the D. The speed is noticeably less than the D at low to medium altitudes based on my pursuits of a D in a B.
The best use of the B is in concert with the D or another more ably armed aircraft. The B can hang onto and divert attention from the other "killer" plane during the fight.
The guns are a major problem with the B. Given the marginal performance differences between the two if them, the B is severely hampered by the guns. I find that even at convergence a one second burst on an unsuspecting fighter target isn't enough to cause significant (if any) damage.
Buff hunting in it is simply suicidally stupid in this game. As long as the 50's remain neutered in damage effects compared to the cannon planes there isn't much reason to have it. It's nice to have a change in planes but this was a definite step backwards. Put the 20mm's on it and it will be a worthwhile and dangerous opponent. The malcom hood would be nice too.
Mav
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I have nothing bad to say about the 51B other then then 6 view. In all areas other than that I prefer it over the D.
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I find the B model to be incredibly easy to fly, and a joy. Get close and in the rear quarter and those 50's will reward you.
ammo
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Just to qualify my earlier statement about the guns, I have still not decided on the best range for the guns and currently trying from 400 down to 275, but hitting the target is not my problem as my hit rate seems to be approx double that of most posters in here, its the time it takes them 4 .50's to actually do any damage that bugs me, unfortunately most cons tend to evade once they feel them 4 .50's tickling em (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Checked my 51B stats and they are negative value unlike the 51D and for plane thats just as fast and similar in perf that has to say something about the lack of hitting power i am experiencing.
So I guess you could say No i have not mastered the 51B (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Took the P51B two times:
First time I got vulched on take off.
Second time, I killed 4 D9s and a C47. I was so impressed that I parked it nack in the hangar, waxed it and will never fly it again this TOD. I came every day kiss his spiner. It was nice to be able to chase D9s ... finally (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Some find it slugish, but I'm so used to the P47 that flying the P51 feels like lifting a 4 year old.
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[This message has been edited by SFRT - Frenchy (edited 03-31-2001).]
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Our B model has a Packard Merlin just like the D but a different model and it peforms better at higher alts than the D. (not sure on the model numbers but HTC did comment on it indicating it was a hi-alt version).
I've flown both and i havent noticed much difference in them, except the B feels slightly more nimble. The B should be faster on the deck and faster above 20K than the D, it should reap the benefits of being slightly lighter, lower wing-loading, slightly better climb etc.
The Aceleration in both still suck ass, and the turning ability is marginal at best, so turn fighting is bad news in either model.
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Rrrrgr,thks for all the replies, I'll be practicing!
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"also, noted that after rockets are expended, its a PIG for turning!"
I have no stick time in either of the two, but the rockets differ between them. The B-model have rocket tubes that will remain on the wing after the rocket is launched and cause drag, while the D's rockets are launched from rails that I am not sure are modelled to give any drag.
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Yep, Snefens, thats why its a pig, those tubes remain. I never load it with rockets in the B model...
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I nearly always load the M8's. Never noticed a difference other then a sligtly lower top speed. 51B with 500lbs and M8's is becoming one of my favorite jabos.
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I knocked down a B17 and a Ju88 with the B but it took three passes for the 17 and four for the 88. I mean I plastered the 88 good on the first pass and it did not even smoke. It also seems very vulnerable to radiator hits but it is nice to fly around. I also survived two tempest attacks in one.