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Title: mislabled Boston III
Post by: viking73 on March 29, 2010, 11:16:27 PM
While gunning a cv I noticed a formation of A20's coming toward us. I was perplexed cause the A20 in the game doesn't have formations. Then someone pointed out to me that they are Bostons which do have formations. Problem is their icon labeled them as A20 G's. In researching I found out that the Boston III shipped to Britain were DB-7B's.(made by Douglas) Later in the Lend-Lease Act more were shipped but these aircraft were actually refitted A-20Cs known as the Boston IIIA

The A-20G had Hispano cannons and two .50 in M2 Browning machine guns, and later made with more machine guns. Many A-20Gs were delivered to the Soviet Union. US A-20Gs were used on low-level sorties in the New Guinea theatre.

So the Bostons need to be either DB-7B or A-20C. If A-20C then it should be Boston IIIA and have a torpedo in the mix since it was made with a torpedo capability.

Source: Wikipedia
Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: lyric1 on March 30, 2010, 12:43:02 AM
While gunning a cv I noticed a formation of A20's coming toward us. I was perplexed cause the A20 in the game doesn't have formations. Then someone pointed out to me that they are Bostons which do have formations. Problem is their icon labeled them as A20 G's. In researching I found out that the Boston III shipped to Britain were DB-7B's.(made by Douglas) Later in the Lend-Lease Act more were shipped but these aircraft were actually refitted A-20Cs known as the Boston IIIA

The A-20G had Hispano cannons and two .50 in M2 Browning machine guns, and later made with more machine guns. Many A-20Gs were delivered to the Soviet Union. US A-20Gs were used on low-level sorties in the New Guinea theatre.

So the Bostons need to be either DB-7B or A-20C. If A-20C then it should be Boston IIIA and have a torpedo in the mix since it was made with a torpedo capability.

Source: Wikipedia
When they get closer it will list it as a Boston.
Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: Krusty on March 30, 2010, 10:23:30 AM
Same way a 109 lists as a 109 until you get close enough for the "closer ID" to kick in, then it says 109f, or 109e, or 109k, etc.
Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: RTHolmes on March 30, 2010, 10:55:29 AM
it doesnt say A-20G, it says A-20. when you get closer it changes to Boston or A-20G depending on which version of the havoc it is. :)
Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: smoe on March 30, 2010, 11:19:25 AM
Were these ever used?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/T30_rocket_launcher.jpg)

T30 triple launcher for 4.5 in (114 mm) rockets.

Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: lyric1 on March 30, 2010, 05:31:08 PM
Looks like a 43RD bomb group B24 in front of it. If so it is in the Pacific some place.
Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: Dr_Death8 on March 30, 2010, 05:42:48 PM
You will also see a 190 become a Ta-152 and the Typh become a Temp.   :airplane:
Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: viking73 on April 01, 2010, 01:17:36 AM
When they get closer it will list it as a Boston.
No it doesn't.

Geez, only been flying since before AH started guys.  :rolleyes: Think what you guys said and then re-read what I posted. Yes, I know it says A20 before it gets closer like all other planes. Then it changed to A20-G. Not Boston. And like I said, since it was a formation of them it had to be Bostons and A20G is the wrong designation for a Boston. So, again, Hitech, it has to be corrected.    :salute
Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: RTHolmes on April 01, 2010, 06:27:41 AM
in that case it sounds like a glitch, although not one ive ever seen. got film?
Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: Pyro on April 01, 2010, 10:53:47 AM
I just tested it and it says "A20" at distance and "BOST3" close in. 
Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: Spikes on April 01, 2010, 10:55:04 AM
No it doesn't.

Geez, only been flying since before AH started guys.  :rolleyes: Think what you guys said and then re-read what I posted. Yes, I know it says A20 before it gets closer like all other planes. Then it changed to A20-G. Not Boston. And like I said, since it was a formation of them it had to be Bostons and A20G is the wrong designation for a Boston. So, again, Hitech, it has to be corrected.    :salute
Works for me.
Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 01, 2010, 12:30:32 PM


So the Bostons need to be either DB-7B or A-20C. If A-20C then it should be Boston IIIA and have a torpedo in the mix since it was made with a torpedo capability.

Source: Wikipedia

While the A-20 might have been designed to be able to carry a torpedo, it wasn't done operationally. 


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Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: lyric1 on April 01, 2010, 12:58:08 PM
While the A-20 might have been designed to be able to carry a torpedo, it wasn't done operationally. 


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Not so 51ST MTAP most certainly did. http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sterlikov/index.htm

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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan2-18.jpg)

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Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: Krusty on April 01, 2010, 01:29:57 PM
converted to? Not "originally"?
Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: wgmount on April 01, 2010, 02:44:55 PM


The A-20G had Hispano cannons and two .50 in M2 Browning machine guns, and later made with more machine guns. Many A-20Gs were delivered to the Soviet Union. US A-20Gs were used on low-level sorties in the New Guinea theatre.

So the Bostons need to be either DB-7B or A-20C. If A-20C then it should be Boston IIIA and have a torpedo in the mix since it was made with a torpedo capability.

Source: Wikipedia

Only 250 a20g's <glass nosed> had 20mm hispanos because they were unreliable and were replaced by M2's. 2,850 <solid nose> were built with M2's.
Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 01, 2010, 04:14:05 PM
Only 250 a20g's <glass nosed> had 20mm hispanos because they were unreliable and were replaced by M2's. 2,850 <solid nose> were built with M2's.

The Soviets though did continue to use the 20mm package for some their Lend-Lease A-20Gs. Not sure of the amount but it was used by at least one Soviet squadron operationally. 


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Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: wgmount on April 01, 2010, 07:14:06 PM
About 700 a20gs were shipped to the soviets under lend lease. How they were modified, to suit their needs,  I can't tell you. I would suppose they would be armed with the soviet 20x99r 20mm ShVAK



Edit: All you want to know about the A20/DB7.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/ww2htmls/douga20.html
Title: Re: mislabled Boston III
Post by: viking73 on April 02, 2010, 12:48:09 AM
ok, did a test on this last night. someone was kind enough to look at the bostons i upped and tell me what it said. It did say bost3 to him. which makes this even stranger. the formation of a20's definitely changed to A20G. wish i saved the video now or took a screenshot. the whole time i'm thinking 'how did that guy get a formation of A20G's. All I can say is it must've been some sort of glitch. Don't know if being on a cv when the icons change means anything. don't know why it would.  my apologies. Do like adding the torpedo to the mix.