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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: empire2 on October 22, 2001, 09:00:00 PM
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Meteor (F.9/40)
Manufacturer: Gloster
Country of Origin: Great Britain
Role: Fighter, night fighter, reconnaissance, pilot-training
A Meteor in Flight
Videos available:
A Gloster Meteor with a De Havilland Vampire
A Gloster Meteor
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Engine: Mk.I Two Rolls-Royce Welland turbojets; Derwents were installed in later versions.
Wing Span: 13.11 m (43 ft)
Length: 12.57 m (41 ft 3 in)
Height: 3.96 m (13 ft)
Weight: Gross 5,332 kg ( 11,755 lb)
Maximum Speed: 676 km/h (420 mph) at 9,145 m (30,000 ft)
Endurance: 1 hr 15 mins
Accommodation: Pilot 1, Crew 0
Armament: Mk. I: Four 20mm hispano cannons in nose
History:
First flight 5 March 1943. The Meteor was designed to Air Ministry Specification F.9/40, the first official British requirement to be issued for a single-seat interceptor powered by a gas-turbine engine. After completing 8 prototypes Gloster built 20 examples of the Mk. I, 16 of which were delivered to the RAF. Their first operational success came on 4 August 1944, when Meteors from No. 616 Squadron destroyed two V-1 flying bombs over southern England. These were the first of many V1's to be brought down by the new fighters. The major wartime version was the Meteor Mk. III (280 built) which employed the Rolls-Royce Derwent engine giving a higher maximum speed of 793 km/h (493 mph) at 9,145 m (30,000 ft). Other versions included the Mk. II (with D.H. Goblin engines) and the Mk. IV (with two Rolls Royce Derwent 5 engines). [7]
(http://www.soton.ac.uk/~genesis/Pictures/Britain/Meteor_3.gif) (http://www.soton.ac.uk/~genesis/Pictures/Britain/Meteor_4.gif)
and..... :D
mabye just put this on a patch or something...i was thinking if you put it on ah it would be around 120-160 perks...
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if you cant make this plane fit on 1.09 than mabye you could put on the b29 superfortress because i know all the bomber pilots wnat an a-bomb and another plane that might be slow but pop is the p40 ...or you know mabye even the jap suicide flying bomb or remote control bomb of the notzis...ive got a whole big long list of planes to be on ah just contact me at dondellinger@earthlink.net
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S!
Bring on the Meteor.
But be aware, the 262 will chew it up and spit it out. All the pilots who flew both, (Eric Brown, Adolf Galland etc.) said the Meteor was definitely inferior. Only thing Meteor had going for it was more reliable engines. And engine reliability doesn`t seem to be modelled for 262.
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yuck
i hate it
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how about a gladiator? no one would fly it but what the heck?
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I drive by one of them every time I go flying - it's sitting in front of the Delta Jets Ltd hangar at Kemble airfield. They specialize on Hunters but have 2 complete Meteors - 1 is sitting in front of the hangar and another one is restored to almost flying conditions - last time I heard they did taxiing trials, not sure what the state of it is at the moment. They may have flown it by now :).
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Enough of late war monsters.
Bring the Gloster Gladiator, Fairey Swordfish and Polikarpov I-16P.
Think it would be great fun to fly them.
Sailor
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Yeah OK bring on the meteor.
But before adding more jets how about adding some more easier to add aircraft???? ;)
Like the MustangIa. Would be nice to fly a pony with 20mm cannons :D :D :D
"Bring the Mustang IA to AcesHigh"
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Meteor Mk. III yeah baby! Bend over 262 cheesemonkeys!!!
Before ya dismiss the Meteor, remember that almost all the ones that fought in WWII were Mk. III which had the Derwent engines with about 2000 lb thrust.
This gave it about the same thrust to weight ratio as the Me 262. But the wingloading was something like 2/3 that of the 262. So it should climb about the same, but turn much much better. Of course the 262 had about a 50 mph top speed advantage, and apparently better maneuverability at high speeds. A smart 262 pilot will use this to advantage. But the 262 pilot who tries to dogfight a Meteor had better pack his parachute carefully. :)
I think it will be a little like a matchup between a Spitfire Mk. II and Fw 190A.
[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Originally posted by metronom:
Enough of late war monsters.
Bring the Gloster Gladiator, Fairey Swordfish and Polikarpov I-16P.
Think it would be great fun to fly them.
Sailor
definitely AH needs a biplane. when i want to fly jets i'll play falcon 4
[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: Spacey ]
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i'd be all for a Swordfish
recreate the sinking of the Bismarck!
:D
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:D biplanes would be good especially the sopwith camel :p but it should have a perk cost of -600 in cluding negative costs...if you want biplanes get the red ace and red barron game~_'^
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so i said,"hey mista "f" off."
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Beaufighter Mk21, or P-40E/N
Tronsky
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Yeah, why not include the F-86 sabre and Mig 13 or 15 in AH 1.25. No I say bring a roling Plansett like in WB here so we can recreate the whole war (Fiat Cr 32, 42, Gloster Gladiator, Ki-10, Polikarpov I-5, I-15, I-153, I-16, He-51, and some good old bombers like the TB-3 and Ju-86) ww2 is not just 1942-45 (though u Yanks dident care before then, the Norwegian Airforce shot down Heinkel 111 and Bf109 and 110 in their old Gloster Gladiators in April of 1940) and not too mention the brave poles in their outdated planes, armed only with 2x7,7mm. The early war also poses and intresting perspectiv, even for a yank (ahh the Warhawk)
:D :D :D :D :D
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yes but if you get too many gladiators(or even biplanes for the matter)wouldnt you die very easy...plus getting outran by every chase.i know biplanes are cool :cool: but hey think of how little hp they have...in a 190 you could kill a gladiator in 2 secnds :rolleyes: just think about it :p
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I know.... :( Whitout a rolling Plane sett they would see little use. But there would be some rather good scenarios too make, with some earlier planes avlb. And the Finnish Air Force used captured biplanes I-153 Chjaka against Yak 9 and Yak 3 with good results in 1944 :D (I know, that most red airforce pilots, sucked in air taktikk but it is a reminder) "Only Spirits born in brave hearts will bring sucsess to a figther plane no matter how higley developed it may be" Adolf Galland
[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: Wutz ]
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Why do you guys want this? It totally unbalances the game. IMO the 262 was a big mistake by HTC (nothing personally) We now have 262's from germany, then people wants american planes, or english/russian/french etc for that matter, to counter this. Then we'll have the XP-82. But will the people be satisfied? I don't think so. Go buy yourself the "Jane's combat simulation series" if you want jets. Personally I love AH, but I hate the way this is going. AH is still a great game, very much thanks to the perks on the 262. But plz, don't push it further. There's plenty of other fighters that are very much wanted, like P51H, P-40's, Beaufighters, etc..
But if you add more of those jet fighters, and if any of the HTC crew read this, plz perk the hell out of'em. That would cheer me up a bit :D
[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: Nordman ]
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Meteors were not to often seen on the front lines. I don't think England even put one in europe (maybe Italy though).Meteors were hunkered down in England shooting down V-1s. So why bring it in? How about some early war planes like the Bf 110 or a Ju 87 (G-2 model please!). They need to make more early war planes, or some more tanks would be cool. Tiger Time!!!
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im not saying to just have the meteor...im saying we should have like a b29 so then we could bomb the toejam out of hqs and others with the a-bomb or the h-bomb...my personal fav. plane when i was growing up was the p40 so dont think i dont want it...but this is a world war 2 game not a modern aircraft game sooo...the meteor was in world war 2 its not at all like the f16s the f22s or the f15s that we have today its slower than the 262 but what the hell.this game needs more excitement and these 3 will probably do it.im really looking forward to 1.09 but yaknow i wish the meteor will be in this.plus hey put in a modern today tank like the abrams worth up to 1200 perks so its almost impossible to kill and get ;) ;) :cool: :p :D
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ok not an abrams but how bout a tiger or a bs110 ;)
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Originally posted by Hammerhead:
Yeah OK bring on the meteor.
But before adding more jets how about adding some more easier to add aircraft???? ;)
Like the MustangIa. Would be nice to fly a pony with 20mm cannons :D :D :D
"Bring the Mustang IA to AcesHigh"
"Na-91 Mustang IA
93 aircraft swupplied by lend-lease to RAF (from batch of 150) with for 20MM cannon in wings"
SOURCE: American Warplanes of WWII ISBN 0-7607-2274-9
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Another rare plane with 20MM cannons? it better be perked
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Originally posted by Nordman:
Why do you guys want this? It totally unbalances the game. IMO the 262 was a big mistake by HTC (nothing personally) We now have 262's from germany, then people wants american planes, or english/russian/french etc for that matter, to counter this. Then we'll have the XP-82. But will the people be satisfied? I don't think so. Go buy yourself the "Jane's combat simulation series" if you want jets. Personally I love AH, but I hate the way this is going. AH is still a great game, very much thanks to the perks on the 262. But plz, don't push it further. There's plenty of other fighters that are very much wanted, like P51H, P-40's, Beaufighters, etc..
But if you add more of those jet fighters, and if any of the HTC crew read this, plz perk the hell out of'em. That would cheer me up a bit :D
[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: Nordman ]
Yup was gonna say the same thing. I was never a supporter for the 262 even though I am an avid german plane lover.
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Originally poster by uberkid:
Meteors were not to often seen on the front lines. I don't think England even put one in europe (maybe Italy though).Meteors were hunkered down in England shooting down V-1s. So why bring it in? How about some early war planes like the Bf 110 or a Ju 87 (G-2 model please!). They need to make more early war planes, or some more tanks would be cool. Tiger Time!!!
Meteor MkIIIs were stationed in Europe in March 1945. They flew anti-262 sorties over German territory until the end of the war, but never encountered any.
I do agree that the Meteor is not something that is needed right now.
I'd like to see some more Russian, Japanese and maybe Italian jobs. An Me410B-2 and/or a Ju188A-1 would be nice.
Tank wise I think that a Panther V G as a perk tank and an M4A3 Sherman and T-34/76 as American and Russian tanks would be great.
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I really want to see the Meteor III added... just not now.
We need a Stuka, Tu-2, T-34, maybe a LaGG fighter, P-40 (in desert colours), Spit XIV, Bf 110, Ju-88 night fighter, Mossie bomber... just a few, minor additions. :)
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i wanna see what Nate or any of the rest of the gang have to say :D
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Karnak!
Repeat after me.
T34/85
T34/85
T34/85
Smart kid..
Got a screw loose though..
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The Meteor would be just nice :)
Although slower than the 262, it was had more reliable negines, and also was more nimble at lower speeds.
Saw one on an airshow a couple of years ago. Still ran on original centrifugal engine, and stunned the crowd with a slow loop right above the ground.
And what an engine sound, not the normal whoosh, but with some funny bass in it.
Bring it sometime HT, take your time :D
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Hi Karnak,
>Meteor MkIIIs were stationed in Europe in March 1945. They flew anti-262 sorties over German territory until the end of the war, but never encountered any.
The Meteor might have been operational before the end of the war, but it wasn't actually combat ready.
Here's what Eric Brown has to say on the matter:
"One of the problems plaguing early jet aircraft was the phenomenon known as directional snaking. Its probable cause was recognized as being airflow separation just forward of the tail section, this giving rise to a small-amplitude, short-period yawing oscillation. This compressiblity effect did, of course, seriously impair the aircraft's tactical use as a stable gun platform, and we at Farnbrough had experienced severe snaking trouble with the Meteor I above Mach 0.7. The attempts that were made to sort out this problem on the Meteor I made quite a saga, the problem of high Mach snaking being compounded by another undesirable form of sinuousity, rough air snaking, which seriously limited the Meteor's tactical use in the ground attack role."
(from Brown's "Wings of the Luftwaffe")
According to Brown, the Me 262 was also affected by this problem, but to a lesser degree and at much higher Mach numbers. Brown also points out that the Meteor's snaking problems weren't finally solved until after the war.
In short, the Meteor couldn't employ its high top speed offensively as even at modest altitudes, it would run into compressibility problems at lower speeds than (for example) a contemporary Spitfire.
Hunting V-1 flying bombs was about the only thing where the Meteor could excel, as the V-1s flew low enough for the Mach limit not to be a serious concern.
Buzzing Me 262 bases in the hope to vulch some during take-off or landing might be another, so bring the Meteor on! ;-)
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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Pongo,
The T34/85 is, IMHO, the bottom end perk tank.
The T34/76, M4A3 Sherman abd Panzer IV H are all roughly competitive with eachother and could all be used. If the T34/85 were free, the M4A3 and PnZ IV H would only be useful in scenarios really.
That's the way I see it at least.
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Pongo,
The T34/85 is, IMHO, the bottom end perk tank.
The T34/76, M4A3 Sherman abd Panzer IV H are all roughly competitive with eachother and could all be used. If the T34/85 were free, the M4A3 and PnZ IV H would only be useful in scenarios really.
That's the way I see it at least.
I think lots of people would agree with you.And it is a near thing based on how accuratly they are modeled.
I feel that if the optics and gun power of the IVH are modeled correctly combined with the AA machine gun makes the T34/85 and Pz IVH comparable in value in the game.
Each can kill or be killed by the other with about the same effect. The Panzer has the AAMG and the T/34 has speed.
I hope the US base line tank is a M4a3-75. Excellent HE performance and armour and speed both better then the panzer, close to equivelent to the T34/85. 50Cal on the roof is a big advantage here vs the other two though.
Then you have a Panther as an expensive perk
A M4A3E8 76 as a medium perk and an IS2m as an expensive perk.
Any of this would need some more improvement in the modeling of armour damage effects. And some refinement to the traveling on the move capability.
The T34/85 might have a lower eny value then the Pz IVH. But it isnt a perk tank. If you model the T34/76 then you have to introduce some way to show that the gunner and the comander were the same man. Maybe force the transition from commander to gunner to 4 seconds...?
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something else i really want is a ju-87 stukawith its 2 huge cannons that would be the best :D
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ok back october 23 2001...or...back to the ...Meteor...i want it in 1.10 please...if not please get it in 1.11
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That thing didnt even see action in WW2 I dont think.... We need Gloster Gladiator, CR42, I-153, Hs-123, Fairey Swordfish and Maybe a Stuka, but ONLY if the biplanes are added too :D:D
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Originally posted by empire2
yes but if you get too many gladiators(or even biplanes for the matter)wouldnt you die very easy...plus getting outran by every chase.i know biplanes are cool :cool: but hey think of how little hp they have...in a 190 you could kill a gladiator in 2 secnds :rolleyes: just think about it :p
Not really, Biplanes would be very usefull in AH.
They Outmanuver in general ANY other plane in Aces High, sure you can go faster in a 190 but if u get on their tail there is no way you can stay on it over 2 seconds, They can out turn a zero and the gloster gladiator can out roll a 190!.
And if your answer is you can just run away from em... well thats true but the objective is to shoot the other guy down :D
And look at the D3A1 (10 MPH slower than Gloster Gladiator), SBD-5 (same speed as Gloster Gladiator) and A6m2 (only 15-20MPH faster than CR42).
And imagine how usefull they would be to up at a vulched feild, Escourt bombers, and in the hs-123 & I-153's case dive bomb.
And planes such as Gloster Gladiator (saw combat untill 1943),
Hs-123 (saw combat untill 1944) and the FaireySword fish wich was used through out the entire war were used a great deal.