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Title: Kill shooter question
Post by: BaldEagl on April 03, 2010, 10:46:11 AM
I know how kill shots work.  In fact some newb kill shot himself on me twice yesterday on purpose.  I was actually trying to pull into his tracer stream the first time but was gliding and couldn't quit do it.  Not to worry, he did it himself then re-upped and did it agian.

But that brings up a question.  Later last night the Bish had taken a GV base.  After the fight had cleared out I was still there at the base in the tower.  There was a smoking friendly plane coming in to land and someone in the manned ack was firing at him.  They never hit but my understanding of killshooter is that if he had the manned ack would have most likely been destroyed.  Is that the case?

If so it's something that should be fixed because all an enemy would have to do is send someone to the other side and killshoot all the manned acks at a field to eliminate them.  If that's not the case then nevermind.
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: 1701E on April 03, 2010, 11:11:01 AM
Shooting friendlies in a manned ack doesn't destroy the gun.  I do it to my squaddie all the time, how I practice my aim in the blasted things most times and of all the times I've gotten hits on him it never destroys gun, just bugs the crap outta him is all. :)

If it did kill it, think of all the dead 5" guns on CVs we'd have!
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: SPKmes on April 03, 2010, 12:38:19 PM
I believe it works as like on like...plane on plane...GV on GV....
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: Digr1 on April 03, 2010, 01:15:49 PM
get rid of the killshooter all together and go to the old AW way, kill 2 friendlies and no ammo for 24hrs just supplies or troops. Would teach alot of spray and pray guys some fire control
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 03, 2010, 01:20:53 PM
get rid of the killshooter all together and go to the old AW way, kill 2 friendlies and no ammo for 24hrs just supplies or troops. Would teach alot of spray and pray guys some fire control

If we had the AW PNG system, there would be some players that would never any ammo for their fighters.  In AW, after the two friendly kills to get a 24 hour PNG, each friendly kill after that added an additional 24 hours.  I like the idea but HiTech has already stated he hated the AW PNG, guess he got hit with PNG a few times.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: Ruler2 on April 03, 2010, 03:04:28 PM
If we had the AW PNG system, there would be some players that would never any ammo for their fighters.  In AW, after the two friendly kills to get a 24 hour PNG, each friendly kill after that added an additional 24 hours.  I like the idea but HiTech has already stated he hated the AW PNG, guess he got hit with PNG a few times.


ack-ack

Maybe if the PNG was reduced to 30 min- few hours instead of a day? I don't think that is unreasonable, it's not like anyone that is TRYING to play right if going to killshoot themself twice. A few pings here and there in a dogfight, sure, but not a kill.
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: Tarstar on April 03, 2010, 04:37:58 PM
Maybe if the PNG was reduced to 30 min- few hours instead of a day? I don't think that is unreasonable, it's not like anyone that is TRYING to play right if going to killshoot themself twice. A few pings here and there in a dogfight, sure, but not a kill.

Not a bad idea IMHO.. I never played AW but that does sound like an interesting concept..  :bolt:
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: Ghastly on April 03, 2010, 06:08:30 PM
I think there might be larger subset of the population than you might think that would worry a LOT less about who they spray if they know they can get away with it a few times before it affects them...

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Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: grizz441 on April 03, 2010, 07:00:14 PM
No.  I don't want some love muffin fragging me because he's about to log off and doesn't care if he is PNG when he's asleep at night.
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: kingcobradude on April 03, 2010, 07:24:33 PM
i SAY MAKE FRIENDLY SHOTS DO NOTHING. IT GETS REAL irritating when im pounding away at an enemy plane, and some n00b flies in my bullet path and makes me suicide
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: hitech on April 03, 2010, 07:47:03 PM
PNG: ...

Lets see,some one you don't like is flying a 262 on your side. You think, hmm I can afford 1 death .

A buddy of yours is on a 30 kill streak, you think Hmm I wonder what he would do if I ....

You are on a 40 kill streak about to land, a newbie takes off and shoots you as you are about to touch down.

HiTech
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: Ruler2 on April 03, 2010, 08:30:25 PM
PNG: ...

Lets see,some one you don't like is flying a 262 on your side. You think, hmm I can afford 1 death .

A buddy of yours is on a 30 kill streak, you think Hmm I wonder what he would do if I ....

You are on a 40 kill streak about to land, a newbie takes off and shoots you as you are about to touch down.

HiTech

HiTech, I don't mean it like that. I mean to leave it the way it is now, and if some noob is deliberately shooting you and killing himself (not a few pings here and there, an intentional "I wanna kill you" burst) then he should get a PNG for a few minutes to a few hours.
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: Tarstar on April 03, 2010, 09:31:19 PM
PNG: ...

Lets see,some one you don't like is flying a 262 on your side. You think, hmm I can afford 1 death .

A buddy of yours is on a 30 kill streak, you think Hmm I wonder what he would do if I ....

You are on a 40 kill streak about to land, a newbie takes off and shoots you as you are about to touch down.

HiTech

Good point....
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: gpwurzel on April 03, 2010, 10:16:38 PM
I'd leave it as it is.....if someone is shooting over my shoulder, I can either break off, or into their bullet stream. Had a couple of inadvertent killshooter kills, but that happens. If someone is purposely shooting at me from my side, help yourself, no damage to me, but bye bye you lol...


Wurzel
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: 68ZooM on April 03, 2010, 10:36:32 PM
I'd leave it as it is.....if someone is shooting over my shoulder, I can either break off, or into their bullet stream. Had a couple of inadvertent killshooter kills, but that happens. If someone is purposely shooting at me from my side, help yourself, no damage to me, but bye bye you lol...


Wurzel

 :aok  If someones purposely shooting at me, heck ill help him tower out real fast, It wont hurt my plane and it gives me a good chuckle
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: BaldEagl on April 03, 2010, 11:30:56 PM
I believe it works as like on like...plane on plane...GV on GV....

Or ack on ack?  If so you could still kill shoot most of the manned ack at an airfield.
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: crazyivan on April 04, 2010, 05:24:09 AM
No.  I don't want some love muffin fragging me because he's about to log off and doesn't care if he is PNG when he's asleep at night.
I'de PNG you all night long! :banana:  but seriously do we really need friendly fire on the runway? I do enjoy shooting squadies in the manned ack though. banana time :banana:
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: dkff49 on April 04, 2010, 08:00:00 AM
Or ack on ack?  If so you could still kill shoot most of the manned ack at an airfield.

I don't believe it works with ack at all and I know that bomber on bomer does no damage to either party.
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: Ghastly on April 04, 2010, 11:10:28 AM
(Rhetorical question, of course) But what I'd really LOVE to know is why I can shoot the crud out of an enemy bomber and watch him fly home trailing smoke about half the time, but the five bullets that miss the enemy fighter I'm trying to clear off of a friendly bomber takes my elevator, oil, one of my gear and half a wing? 

:D

Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: grizz441 on April 04, 2010, 11:44:05 AM
HiTech, I don't mean it like that. I mean to leave it the way it is now, and if some noob is deliberately shooting you and killing himself (not a few pings here and there, an intentional "I wanna kill you" burst) then he should get a PNG for a few minutes to a few hours.

What's the harm in a newb kill shooting himself repeatedly?  And how often does this even happen?  Calling this thread a moot point would be an understatement.
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: AWwrgwy on April 04, 2010, 12:13:37 PM
(Rhetorical question, of course) But what I'd really LOVE to know is why I can shoot the crud out of an enemy bomber and watch him fly home trailing smoke about half the time, but the five bullets that miss the enemy fighter I'm trying to clear off of a friendly bomber takes my elevator, oil, one of my gear and half a wing? 

:D



My theory with this,which includes puffy ack, is, a fighter can take less hits before critical damage than a big bomber does.  So, a killshot of you in a fighter pinging a bomber does the equivalent damage to your fighter as if you were being shot vs. you actually hitting a bomber.


wrongway
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: guncrasher on April 08, 2010, 05:35:29 AM
I can count on my hand how many times I have killed shot myself since I started playing.  I learned the aw way.  you killed a friendly no ammo for 24 hours.  so u learn to shoot in short bursts and it teaches you SA.  I see lots of people pulling the trigger as if they had unlimited ammo, there is no need for 2 or 3 second bursts in here.  also most people think SA only applies to where the enemy is, but you should also know where your friends are.  some guys jumps in front of you and you kill shoot yourself, its your problem not his.

semp
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: BaldEagl on April 08, 2010, 08:34:40 AM
What's the harm in a newb kill shooting himself repeatedly?  And how often does this even happen?  Calling this thread a moot point would be an understatement.

How is having a legitimate question and asking it a "moot point"?  I guess no one should ever ask for clarification of anything having to do with the game then.
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: Rino on April 08, 2010, 10:10:55 AM
i SAY MAKE FRIENDLY SHOTS DO NOTHING. IT GETS REAL irritating when im pounding away at an enemy plane, and some n00b flies in my bullet path and makes me suicide

     Noobs have that kind of power huh?  Maybe you should work a bit more on SA, or fly less in crowds.
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: dedalos on April 08, 2010, 04:12:25 PM
no kill shooter on the maned ack.  I always shoot at friendlies to get range.
Title: Re: Kill shooter question
Post by: BillyD on April 08, 2010, 08:15:31 PM


I'd frag grizz on an average night in a 262 too


HiTech


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