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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Sturm on April 03, 2001, 10:28:00 AM
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Choices being
ME-410 "of course"
A-20
A-26
P-61
Any mossie
beaufighter
blenheim
me-110
Ta-154
Ju-88 thru 388
Pe-2/3
Tu-2
Ki-102
Ki-45/6
Ki-67
G4M4 "Betty"
B-25
He-219
He-177
D0-17/217
He-111
P-38 variants
or whatver else you can think of.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Hey, you left the B-23 Dragon out!
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Me 262 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Pepe
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Yep, Me 262, no doubts.
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Ki46, Ki67, Ki102 or P1Y1.
NOT the G4M4!!!
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 04-03-2001).]
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And not the Me262!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
We just got a horde of German aircraft.
We need more Japanese aircraft.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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Blenheim! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Staga,
I could go for a Blenheim in Finnish markings.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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P-61, Mossie, any Japanese Twin engined (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Okie Karnak: a deal?......Me-262 in Japanese Markings (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Pepe
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(http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/p-612.jpg)
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Ok ok twist my arm, the winner is the 410. Sheesh like you guys didn't know allready. And BTW I saw the JP version of the 262 at the Garber Facility. Still looked better in German markigns (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Pyro are you watching? :0 muhahahaha you have to feed them what you want them to know or do. Keep feeding them more twin engine planes and they have to bend and give them to us (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but on a serious note, we do need more twins (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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I would say the HE-111 and the JU-88 variants. The germans needs some type of attack aircraft with a heavy payload
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Salcor
The meek shall truly inherit the Earth because that is where they will all be buried
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Westland Whirlwind!
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Mossie , give me cannons in the nose too please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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A-26 Invader
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Me262 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerrkorps.com)
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Im with Ripsnort.
then the mossie.
then the 410
then the Pe2
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P38 with the bomb sight and 2k LB bombs
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Seamossie
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ar 240
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Ki 102 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(http://content.communities.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=MyPhotos_GetPubPhoto&photoId=nHwCwcLUIL2v4kQ9Qqx6mBhwjailrp12E7z4BxliazVZeACNQ1w3LfRVU3UpZBa0M)
Ya the 410 would be awesome ( or the He 219)but we need some new Japanese stuff.
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 04-03-2001).]
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Beaufighter Mk21
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1. mosquito variants
2. me110 (for the sadomasichists)
3. ki45
4. ki102
5. a20 havoc
6. a26 invader perk buff
7. ki67
8. G4M
9. B-25 variants
10. p38F/G/H/J (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
need olive drab lightning for sure (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Wellington!
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I can't believe that not a single one of you guys mentioned the PBY!! Wasn't it here that I wittnessed a truly inspirational discussion on the merits of an AirSea Rescue capability? Maybe not.....that might have been a different forum, or maybe it was this forum, but different people......or maybe it was that different forum, but the SAME PEOPLE (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Ya....that's the ticket!
Razor
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Razzor, you're right.
I would LOVE to see some rescue plane....PBY and Storch. Bearing in mind this thread, bring PBY to AH (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Pepe
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It is going to be the A-26, yes at last....
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Thud1/Bies
Bring the Hurricane (MKIIC) to AH! (together with the Invader!)
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Actually I would like to see 2 more spits (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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No Hijacking please Rosco (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Even though deep inside you want the 410 as well.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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You guys are too optimistic about Me-410. Jumping to gunner position while fighting is not the easy way to survive (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I would prefer to have my Ichiwon in the back seat. It is always nice to have a rear set of guns going 400 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) As the 410 is a str8 at ya kind of fighter only have to worry about the ones that get behind ya.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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The B-25H of course! 8)
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Ki-67, one of the most effective Japanese bombers of the war.
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A-20 in Lendlease markings
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<breaks out pom-poms> Mossie!!! ra-ra-ra Mossie!!! ra-ra-ra
and if that doesnt work: twin mustang (ok ok i know it's not WW2 but who cares, right?)
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Mossie of course.
Then again...
AND OF COURSE. MY FAVIE. The BF-110!!!
Vruth
[This message has been edited by Vruth (edited 04-04-2001).]
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One of the most underrated RAF Fighters:
(http://www.raf303.org/funked/twinspit.jpg)
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-If I'd have to pick one completely new twin it would be He-177A-5.
-...if variant, it would be the Ju-88G-7c. Of course to make it viable choice there would have to be some kind of limited icon-system at night times.
1Wmaker1
Lentolaivue 34
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He 177 not a twin, AFAIK. Way cool, on the other hand. If it's modelled ala AH (I mean, precise and accurate FM, but no engine or plane-specific problems, like Grief's engine fires) would be a superb adition. Wiht that naval missile thingy, if possible (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Cheers,
Pepe
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These are all great suggestions, I think to only be fair 1 from each country should be presented and no single engine planes in the next patch.
That told here are the winners:
GE ME-410 "Duh"
JP KI-102 "Brady will end his pilgrimage finally"
SU TU-2
GB Mk VI mosquito "Bloats won't be crying they don't have a mossie in here"
US P-61 or A-26 "Rip gets his wish"
Honestly any of these would be great the 410 well even better. But the 61 or 102 would be great to fly for they have never been in flight sim before.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Pepe engine related problems were associated with the first 177's A-1. A-5 had a lot of improvements to it. Twin props is what he might be thinking, and I would consider it a twin as well. And the HS missles would be nice to use on CV's!! The more I think about it the 177 would be an awesome addition.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Pepe, Sturm, Heinkel He-177A-0 had 2x 2 DB 601 joined through a common gearbox to a single propeller. So A-0 was 4 engined aircraft.
He-177A-5 had two DB 610 engines. I know DB 610 is basically two DB 603s coupled together but DB 610 is still one engine with its own designation so therefore I consider He-177A-5 to be a twin.
Yep, He-177 wasn't nicknamed "flying lighter" for nothing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). But as you said we wouldn't have these problems in AH. Historically He-177 was far from succesful plane. Along with the Me-210 it did more harm than good to the german war effort. No other aircraft-project ate so much rescourses with basically no gain. But in AH He-177A-5 would be great in many ways. Most of all it would bring heavy axis bomber into an online flightsim for the first time as far as I know.
1Wmaker1
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[This message has been edited by Wmaker (edited 04-05-2001).]
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IL-10 or IL 2
If it's an US scum (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
A26 Invader or P61 Black Widow
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On the contrary the He-177 was not a waste, and actually did help the germans on the east front. First off I would have to say putting a 75mm gun on this thing and asking guys to go out and kill tanks is nuts. If you look at the late variants and there combat sorties, you will notice they have an attrition rate from mechanical failures = to allied bomber sorties. I will find the source and post it with some numbers later.
The 177 was able ot carry a heavy load, and was mainly used at choke points, bridge heads, troop rally points, and road convoys. Combined with above average speed for a heavy and a better climb rate along with a formidable defensive armament this was long from a failure, the 210 yes it was but then again was rectified with the 410 the 274 was in final stages but Goering did not want to know anything about a 4 engined Heinkel.
The 274 would have been a monster, even the ME-264 was impressive to say the least, and it looked beautiful as well. Over 1000 He-177's were made it should be included in here.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Sturm, I'm talking about what impact these aircraft had in the war compared to the effort/time spend designing/building them. Me-410 and He-177 did very little to justify their existance and rescourses spend on them.
I'm not saying that they weren't good warplanes in the end of their development cycle but that cycle took too long and demanded too much rescourses. When the plane was ready and trouble free design Luftwaffe got too few of them too late.
1Wmaker1
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Hehehe, on the twin/quad thingy we are on the fringe here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I think most of He-177's problems were teething ones, except, perhaps, the 2x2 issue. Packing both engines toghether with the purposed objective of lowering drag figures proved faulty overall. And the Dive Bomber ability was another hard blow. Too many goals in one pack. But the style is great, and the loadout and flight figures, not that bad. And B-29's developement, for instance, was really a pain in its own.
I think the only problem, the real hard one, with He-177 was RLM in general, and Hitler in particular, lack of long term vision about the dire need of an strategic bomber. When they realised It was too late to overcome the hurdles of developing a capable long range big buff. Thank God.
I would like to have the He-177 in AH (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cheers,
Pepe
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I put my vote in for the Spit F IXt: It'd be easy to develop from the existing 3D model, and truly was one of the most versatile fighters of WWII.
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(http://store1.yimg.com/I/seagifts_1617_5824321)
something low and slow so I can kill it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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Mosquito, Beaufighter, 410 or A26 for me please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Regards
Nexx
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You wonder sometimes if people actually read the subject thread. Anyway the only real problem with the 210 was its length, and they would not lengthen it do to retooling machines and production facilities having to be changed. Well after a horrible start, the 210 was lengthened and adjusted and the 410 was born. Soon the only problem with the 410 from a pilots POV was being able to bail out of the craft.
one other problem was the MG 131 defensive guns, they were a bear to shoot. As I quote you on this matter Me-410 and He-177 did very little to justify their existance and rescourses spend on them.
the ME-410 had so many different configurations they are too numerous to list. From a plane that did little it was used in the Recon role, Fighter role, Fighter bomber role, Bomber hunter role, it filled every role imaginable.
Yet this is a plane that contributed very little? The 177 did contribute less then the 410 persay, but no way should the 410 ever be spoken of as a non producer. All AC development goes thru a trial and error period, the RLM messed up huge when they cancelled projects in 41-42 that could have had a huge impact later on in the war.
Should the 177 have ever even been made? Probably not, they had others in the drawing boards but do to political pressure were cancelled and were far better designs. HS-130 is one I can think of off the top of my noggen. AR-240 would have been an awesome plane and the AR-440 even better. Yet time has spoken and they were not made. However, we look at it, the 410 was a success rather then a failure.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Sturm, to be brief...
Because of Willy Messerschmitt's stubborness and RLM's ever growing requirements in designing Me-210 caused A COMPLETE catastrophy. Because of Me-210 there was a six month period when NOT A SINGLE BF-109 rolled of the production line at Regensburg. And when 410 was fitted with DB 603 engines same problems which had been with Me-210 came back. There was NOTHING 410 could do execpt win the war by itself to make up for this. Roles it filled could have been (and were) filled by aircraft allready in production and combat proven.
1Wmaker1
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So your saying the 410 was a failure? Please elaborate more, I am all ears.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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I'm saying many things...please quote the part where I said 410 was a failure...just read what I type and don't assume things.
1Wmaker1
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[This message has been edited by Wmaker (edited 04-05-2001).]
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01) Tie between the Me-410 and A-20G-1 (hispanos) or G-20, both are very decent and flexible aircraft and would keep the LW and US airplane enthusiasts occupied for many minutes before they start asking for more aircraft.
02) B-25H-5
03) B-25C/D
04) A-26B (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (NON perk, we need it to counter those blasted foo-fighters with its x14 .50's!)
05) Clip winged early B-26B (torpedo equipped!)
06) The Woody
07) Ki-102
08) G4M4
09) Ki-45
10) P-38D
11) He-177 (well it has two props)
12) Bf.110G
13) Pe-2
14) B-25J in twenty-seventh Air Force markings
15) B-25B w/(an option to delete the ventral turret for... Carrier Operations! :] )
And while they're at it, some parafrag bombs would be nice, napalm is nicer (would close a runway for a good while), and Skip bombs are just plain nasty little multi purpose harbingers of death at all angles of attack that I’d like to see in the game.
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But if you do it in the HTC way, of one plane per country, you get:
1) Me-410
2) A-20G-1 (hispanos) or G-20,
3) Ki-45
4) Pe-2
5) Spit. F. Mk IXt
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IM with funked and dinger. It would be truely unique to AH and set it farther apart from the competition.
Bring the F IXt to Aces High.
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Major Tom,
It doesn't work that way. If the Me410 and A-20 are added the German and American aircraft aficiandos will simply move on to the next demand that is all important.
Left up to voters on this board, we would probably get the Devastator, Hudson, Bf108 and Fw189 before we got the Ki61, Mosquito, Ki44, Pe-2, Ki84, Tu-2, Ki67, Spitfire MkXIV, Il-2M3 or any of the other significant Japanese, Russian, British or Italian aircraft. Many players point out how their favorite aircraft is the one that should be added next because it did yadda, yadda, yadda. Because the American and German aircraft have more fans, or at least more vocal fans, they will always be the ones that win these polls. After voting, the fans of these aircraft do not simply fade away, they move on to their next favorite and mass push for it, once again drowning out fans of other nations aircraft.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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Yes!!!
Bring the Spitfire F IXt. It's like a twing mustang, but made specially for dweebs like me, so I can turn better (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
mx22
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Hehe I'd post pics of the N.F. Mk. IXt but I don't think they can handle it. They already whine about 4 Hispanos, can you imagine 6? The BBS would implode.
There was a prototype Mk. XIVt too, man I would love that one!
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