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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Spikes on April 05, 2010, 04:15:01 PM
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Wow, I had the time of my life last night defending a fleet. I think it was C91 vs a rook A230 in orange. It started by simply taking A231 and then taking the Vbase on that island. I then took control of the CV and positioned it within range of A230...they weren't happy with the CV off their coast and we got waves and waves of ord from bombers IB. I was in the 5" and was in command of the CV. We had B26s, 38s, 51s, stukas, 17ss, 24s, lancs, all the works trying to bomb it. We had a pretty good aircraft defense up as well. One of the guys ended up killing A230's ordinance, but I kept the CV still near there as the guys were having a blast.
Many started coming from a nearby base (A19) with higher bombers including the 17s, lancs, 24s, and even 234s at one point. I didn't get many guys before they dropped, but since they came in some sort of conga line with 5-10 minutes between attacks, I was able to plan how to turn the CV, and evade the bombs. the 234s hit, but did not sink. Many other sets also dropped but I evaded accordingly. I think they finally gave up as I started to sail the CV SW as A231 was being attacked.
I then logged after the CV was finally safe and still afloat. Chances are it got sunk later, but I and my defense guys kept it alive through two+ hours of constant bombing and jabo attacks. It was much fun, and I salute each and every guy who was there last night! I didn't know how much fun actually sitting on a CV and turning it was! You get a sense of accomplishment when you send something into hell and it makes it out alive.
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:aok
Some of the best fights I've had in AH were because of carriers, both from and against.
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If you ever turn it again when I am landing I will revoke your driving privileges. Was a great time defending, my poor F4U-1A took a beating as did the Cv but overall I'd say we did darn well. :)
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Heard about this last night, mostly about you turning the CV on X while is was landing... good job! Good to see someone else is keeping up on stunts like that when I'm not online to keep him on his toes. :salute
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Someone should have sunk it with Spit IX's. :noid
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If you ever turn it again when I am landing I will revoke your driving privileges. Was a great time defending, my poor F4U-1A took a beating as did the Cv but overall I'd say we did darn well. :)
LOL actually I asked the guy in the other set of guns if I should turn it on you...but I decided not to, it was already doing a wacky course and was trying to get her straightened out!
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LOL actually I asked the guy in the other set of guns if I should turn it on you...but I decided not to, it was already doing a wacky course and was trying to get her straightened out!
Yea I caught the end of that conversation....Twice I landed Twice it turned....hmmmm :noid
Still, very fun....wish my luck against bombers was usually that good.
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Spikes, let me know when you in the mood to defend a cv again. I'd like to pit my squad against your defense. Its sounds like a challange' and u know I must accept the challange' (said in best Inspector Clouseau voice possible) Big Salute Bro.
EZRhino
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Spikes, let me know when you in the mood to defend a cv again. I'd like to pit my squad against your defense. Its sounds like a challange' and u know I must accept the challange' (said in best Inspector Clouseau voice possible) Big Salute Bro.
EZRhino
Oh trust me I am no admiral...just wondering if
A - I got lucky
B - The bombers sucked
C - Combo of both
D - I actually have a good CV turning mechanism...
I'll be up to turnin it around sometime, should be fun to re-test!
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Its probably a bad attack plan from the cv killers. I always take the cruiser out first to lessen flak. One or two good shots from 47's and cv flak is almost nil. Then its just a question of cleanup. It is possible to be too high up when dive bombing as well. 12 to 14 is max alt and then begin the juke on the way down. If you have two or three folks diving from different directions it helps break up those good 5 inch shooters.
EZRhino
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Oh trust me I am no admiral...just wondering if
A - I got lucky
B - The bombers sucked
C - Combo of both
D - I actually have a good CV turning mechanism...
I have some ideas.... :rofl
:salute
Way
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Its probably a bad attack plan from the cv killers. I always take the cruiser out first to lessen flak. One or two good shots from 47's and cv flak is almost nil. Then its just a question of cleanup. It is possible to be too high up when dive bombing as well. 12 to 14 is max alt and then begin the juke on the way down. If you have two or three folks diving from different directions it helps break up those good 5 inch shooters.
EZRhino
Definitely. Like I said I am no master, especially with dive bombers. Hard to hit em unless they're diving right at you. Either way, it was the highlight of my night right there...I had fun doing it and racked up some 17 kills before ending sortie.
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Some of the most fun I've had was controlling the notorious cruiser fleets in the last Coral Sea scenario. I've always enjoyed thwarting attacks on task groups, but it's much harder to do vs shotgunning Lancs than it is in Scenarios.
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You know. everyone thinks its hard to take a CV group down. Simple A/C tactics and more than 3 people and it will go down haha
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You know. everyone thinks its hard to take a CV group down. Simple A/C tactics and more than 3 people and it will go down haha
That won't be the case if a group of gunners and a dedicated controller who know what they're doing get into it. :D But the likelihood of that happening in the MAs is pretty low.
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That won't be the case if a group of gunners and a dedicated controller who know what they're doing get into it. :D But the likelihood of that happening in the MAs is pretty low.
True. but at the same time i you have 8 TBMs, 4 on each side then where is that darn CV gonna go to get away from them water buggies? Now just try to get people to actually do this. It was actually a used WWII tactic against ships. While multiple torpedo planes came in on multiple angles the dive bombers would attack from altitude at the exact same time. Either group would be targeted by the enemy allowing the other to be successful. Which in all cases i've read, the torp planes didn't make it out...
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Normerly on most CVs you'd only see 1 maybe 2 gunners...half the time they never turn it. But in a big battle, usually the ships are chuck full of 5"ers.
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True. but at the same time i you have 8 TBMs, 4 on each side then where is that darn CV gonna go to get away from them water buggies? Now just try to get people to actually do this. It was actually a used WWII tactic against ships. While multiple torpedo planes came in on multiple angles the dive bombers would attack from altitude at the exact same time. Either group would be targeted by the enemy allowing the other to be successful. Which in all cases i've read, the torp planes didn't make it out...
My two cruisers survived multiple/constant sorties from Brooke's Japanese Torpedo Bomber squadron during the final frame of Coral Sea. In that case you would actually want to either keep going straight (2 torpedo hits at most) or use a tight zig-zag to slow the task group down and attempt to turn in between two fish. Destroyers also make great torpedo sponges.
But, as I said, that can only be pulled off by an expert task force driver with manned gun positions to keep the aircraft at a decent range or kill them. Even then, my groups survived more from dumb luck I'd figure. :D
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My two cruisers survived multiple/constant sorties from Brooke's Japanese Torpedo Bomber squadron during the final frame of Coral Sea. In that case you would actually want to either keep going straight (2 torpedo hits at most) or use a tight zig-zag to slow the task group down and attempt to turn in between two fish. Destroyers also make great torpedo sponges.
But, as I said, that can only be pulled off by an expert task force driver with manned gun positions to keep the aircraft at a decent range or kill them. Even then, my groups survived more from dumb luck I'd figure. :D
Haha yeah i don't know if dumb luck saved you or a skilless enemy :aok I'm not trying to start anything im just tired so it may sound rude here but setting up the torpedo runners in this formation you have a very good chance of hitting the CV. Of course the more planes the better... But a normal MA CV group of 4 DD 1 CA and 1 CV can have 8-16 torp planes attack evenly on each side and some to the front and it WILL be hit if done right, maneuvers or not by the best CV commander in game. In junction with dive bombers such as SBDs if CV to CV or P38s or later model P47s the CV will go down quickly. BUT, it's a rarity to see MA pilots not in a functional squad or group actually use these tactics let alone using them effectively... But then again 15 110G-2 models with guns only can strafe the CV down :lol I launched a mission to do this :aok best CV takedown years ago i was in before the recent 200 spit MkIX kamikaze run
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You could use 16 slow, low, vulnerable torp planes or one set of good bombers. I am amazed by some bomber guys, how they manipulate the CV turn and what not.
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You could use 16 slow, low, vulnerable torp planes or one set of good bombers. I am amazed by some bomber guys, how they manipulate the CV turn and what not.
Yes but if not available in a quick timeframe you need to react to a CV attack quickly... if only you could get 20-30 people to coordinate a fast response effort like said above itd be down in minutes of the attack's start. Say CV to CV 8 torpers, 8 divers, 8-12 F6F or F4U escorts. or if land based 10 Ju88 groups and escorts. But the time necessary to mass this amount of firepower and manpower to accomplish such a task can only be done by a squad (or 3) that are well oiled and experienced in fast response efforts. An idea i've been wanting to try with my squad... :lol maybe HTC can open up a tactical forum to develop in game tactics cuz i have many ideas...
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or a skilless enemy :aok
If they didn't pick up skills in their many hours of training, there's something wrong.
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i remember one time (a WHILE back) there was a port under heavy attack but most of the planes attacking it were attacking the CV low and strafeing and rockets etc. well when i went to gun in a gunner position i noticed that ALL the guns on the cv where operational and actually firing at somthing (or someone) logged came back after an hour or so and it was still there EPIC battle at that cv later that day survived that to no film though :(