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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: buscaglia on October 27, 2001, 12:28:00 PM
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I am posting again for more votes...
Thanks to the 58 AH pilots that already voted it...Go on like this and I am sure we re gettin this aircraft in the hangar very soon :)
VOTE RE2005 INTO THE FUTURE AH'S PLANESET !!!CLICK-HERE!!!......
NO IDEA OF WHAT A RE2005 IS? CLICK HERE AS WELL TO DISCOVER!
(http://space.tin.it/associazioni/abertare/RE2005v1.jpg)
SOME GOOD REASONS TO VOTE IT TO BE ADDED INTO Aces High PLANESET:
-Its beautifull and exotic
-Its great for: turning, shooting, diving, groundattacking
- Its the best Italian fighter, the only suited for the Main Arena
- Its the best turnfighter that served in the Luftwaffe as well
- Its good for scenarios(Italy,Mediterranean,Germany, Ploesti)
Sponsored by: 1° Gruppo Caccia "Asso di Bastoni"
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I like it, and the paint job. Bring it on!
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Only 37 built.
There are way more needed planes wich had an historical significance, before getting this one in.
But oh, yeah...bring it if you want it. But perked.
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Originally posted by R4M:
Only 37 built.
There are way more needed planes wich had an historical significance, before getting this one in.
But oh, yeah...bring it if you want it. But perked.
Only 37 Ram??? Hell it ranks up there with the Osty then.
Ram tell ya what, since you want to perk almost everyones idea of a plane to introduce UNLESS it's a new LW plane lets just perk ALL LW planes. Any plane with a cannon as well. Would that make ya happy????
Mavn :p
[ 10-27-2001: Message edited by: Maverick ]
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I will back anything Italian that can pack bombs, i would prefer either the Z. 1007 or the Re 2000's series in general, the Re 2005 is fine by me but did it cary bombs? I know the Re 2002 did almost 1500 lbs worth if I am correct, Italy neads a Buff/ jabo capabality.
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I think it's very pretty....how many NK1's were built? DukeMskt.
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Originally posted by Maverick:
Only 37 Ram??? Hell it ranks up there with the Osty then.
Ram tell ya what, since you want to perk almost everyones idea of a plane to introduce UNLESS it's a new LW plane lets just perk ALL LW planes. Any plane with a cannon as well. Would that make ya happy????
Mavn :p
[ 10-27-2001: Message edited by: Maverick ]
I think that the Ostwind should be perked too (and not just costing0 8-perks, but at least 15).I have said it quite many times.
Oh, and I dont want to perk everyone's ideas, Mav. That is a completely wrong statement and you know it as well as I do.
I just say what I think. And the thing is that the plane was EXTREMELY RARE. This is just the same as I said about hte P51-IA. Too few, too rare, too little impact. You want it?. Fine. Perk it, tho.
Oh ;BTW, I'm not nominally in JG54 (I?m in a leave to fly what I want) so I'm free to fly what I want even while I stay mostly within LW planeset. BUT even if I was in JG54, I could fly C202, or C205. If the RE2005 comes to AH, I could fly it too.
I just dont want to see extremely rare planes in AH, unperked. And less when there are so many planes missing wich saw eXTENSIVE service. Both by common sense and priority, the Re2005 shouldn't be modelled in a near future. That is IMO.
If it was a RE2001 that would be another thing. How many Re2001s were made?
BTW around 500 n1K2s were built in WWII.
[ 10-27-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Well Said.
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48 not 37, btw its a rare plane, its true.
For this reason i've added the voice "do you want it to be perked? how many perk points if yes?" in the vote section of the web site. My personal opinion (and vote) is that re2005 should be perked, aproximately like the F4UC (10 or 15 points).
Re2005 was a rare plane but had an important operative history and an even more important part in the italian air force history in ww2.
Its interesting to make a comparison with the story of the F4uC, this aircraft wich was used only in the last days of the war against japan partecipated in very few air combats, differently the italian flight logs report 55 enemy aircrafts destroyed or shared destroyed by Re2005s.
The F4uC had an important role in the final destruction on the ground of Japan's airforces. The Re2005 had a no less interesting, altough different, history as a fighter-bomber during the invasion of sicily, with more than one hundred of sorties against allied troops, convoys, vehicles and landing sites.
Introducing RE2005 would also easily lead to the developement of its predecessor, the RE2001, the only italian early-war fighter equipped with cannons, and the most important fighter-bomber of Regia Aeronautica in ww2.
Finally Re2005 is the only Italian fighter able to stand against the typical MA opponents and the only uber turnfighter of the Luftwaffe.
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replying to various questions:
- about 300 Re2001s produced
- re2005 was able to carry more bombs than any other italian fighter-bomber
- all data about performance and technical characteristics can be found in the website. You can find prototype and serie performances in different tables in the site, no mixing, the data sources are explained in the sources section.
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bring it to AH.
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Thanks for the great info on your plane Busc
I like the way you have presented it.
Gets my vote. Numbers are irrelivent. This is a game of Air combat not a simulation of manufacturing logistics.
[ 10-28-2001: Message edited by: Pongo ]
[ 10-28-2001: Message edited by: Pongo ]
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Gran bei post BUSC, speriamo che qualcuno ci pensi anche perchè andare in giro per la MA in 202 o 205 mi sembra pura follia.
Magari se il teatro delle operazioni permettesse l'entrata in campo di aerei a seconda del periodo (come in WarBirds) si potrebbero pure tenere i 202 o 205 ma.....mi pare che ciò non sia, perciò ben venga il Re-2005.
Spero di entrare presto in MA magari col 1° :) ok?
A presto
Sergio "clouds"
[ 10-28-2001: Message edited by: clouds ]
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Originally posted by clouds:
speriamo che qualcuno ci pensi anche perchè andare in giro per la MA in 202 o 205 mi sembra pura follia. Magari se il teatro delle operazioni permettesse l'entrata in campo di aerei a seconda del periodo (come in WarBirds) si potrebbero pure tenere i 202 o 205 ma.....mi pare che ciò non sia, perciò ben venga il Re-2005
Heya Clouds, the C205 is actually very dangerous if properly flown. Check the stats of dedicated 205 pilots and you'll understand. Problem is that usually it is mainly flown as an angle fighter and at medium-slow speeds. Fly it like an Hit&Climb fighter, at medium-high speeds and you will see ;) It is not good for low alt, low speed turnfighting.
If you hope that the Re2005 will compete in turnfight with Spitfire V and IX, Niki, Tony and so on you'll have, I'm afraid, a nasty surprise. In other words, some wing area and one cannon more doesnt make it the italian solution to the Main Arena turnfighting.
To the others: it is *not* a perk plane. Its performance is very similar (generally speaking) to the other early 1943 "Series 5" fiters: G.55, Re2005, C.205. During real trials it was (at least test pilots thought so) the worst of the three. However, many Re2005's so called weaknesses dont mean anything here in AH.
Too bad the C.205 is so poorly known, understood and flown, even by italian AH players. Understand me, I'm talking about some of my squaddies as well.
My opinion? PYRO would never model a fighter so "similar" to another one (the C.205 that is). Perhaps it could be useful to ask for a different kind of a/c, like a bomber or torpedo bomber. But who knows? ;)
[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: gatt ]
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punt
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Hmmm The Fiat G.55 Centauro was better than the 2005 overall and it was not that seldom. But hell, more Italian planes is better than no new italian plane. The 2005 has my wote it is such a beauty (but so is the G.55 so make em both) And btw the KI-67 Peggy is the next Axis bomber out,,, GREAT what the F*** they could note find a better plane than BURNING PEGGY. It lights upp like a Kuwaity Oil well when visited by Uncel Sadam. Hmmm I know AH is based in Texas, but for the love of christ GIVE US THE HE-177 or the JU-188 dont give us childrens toys, we want BIG BOYS TOYS and that is something the peggy is not. I am tired of flying B-17 when a Heavy bomber is needed (no the peggy is NOT a heavy bomber) :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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I would rather see the mc200
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Citabria Said:
>I would rather see the mc200<
>Fester<
I own one you know...
All it needs is an airframe, engine, weapons set, and control pannel :D
I have a build data plate for one.
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mc200 was the one of the main fighters of italy.
the re2005 was a curiosity with few made
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and that vote ballot is rigged.
you can only vote for the re2005 not against it.
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i vote RE2005 nice plane :D
(http://space.tin.it/associazioni/abertare/pgfot1-2005.jpg)
Drago :D
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Why would anyone want this (admittedly pretty) flying prototype when there are so many Italian planes of so much more significance?
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this is a story of a duel between spit and re2005.
I ask excuse but I do not succeed translate the story. :(
Solo per Italiani(only for Italian)
Per i signori italiani a me non interessa se faranno o no il RE2005 ma diamo a Cesare quel che è di Cesare.
Vorrei dire hai super colti di storia che anche durante la guerra esisteva la concorrenza e la casa FIAT contro la Caproni e nota a tutti,e quel che si dice del 2005 sono tutte balle,e se andate a leggere un documento di Del Prato collaudatore a Guidonia del 2005,nel 1967 in un articolo ammetteva che il RE2005 era il gioiello delle Reggiane e dell'aviazione Italiana
quando da rapporti a guidonia lui disse che il RE2005 era debole strutturalmente.
Dopo di chè ognuno tira l'acqua al suo molino.
Saluti
Scusate il file grosso ma altrimenti non si riesce a leggere.
(http://space.tin.it/associazioni/abertare/copert.jpg)
Drago
(http://space.tin.it/associazioni/abertare/raccore2005.jpg)
[ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: JEK ]
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i think this one serves more purpose and is more wanted (http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/images/large/23.jpg)
but thats just my opinion
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I have one of those little Osprey books on Italian aces.
The R2005 isn't mentioned once. Not once. Not one pilot became an ace in it (although some aces did fly it).
It's a irrelevence.
And...as it seems that there may be some activity on the events in AH, I'd have thought some thing event specific, such as an Italian bomber would be of far more use.
A Malta scenario would be heaps of fun (may be they could beat the Brits for once).
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Drago, figurati se non mi farebbe piacere vedere il Re2005. Anche se le mie preferenze vanno al G.55, qualsiasi aereo italiano è benvenuto. Quello che credo è che HTC e Company non modelleranno mai un altro Serie 5. Quindi, forse, è più produttivo chiedere un SM79 o un C.200, o un Re2002 Ariete. In ogni caso ci vorrà almeno un anno, un anno e mezzo, prima di vedere un buon numero di aerei del periodo 1940-42. Hai visto come prendono le decisioni sugli aerei da inserire qui ... nel migliore dei casi a capocchia :rolleyes:
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Seeker,
we dont need a Malta scenario. We usually kick RAF's arses in the Main with our C.205, Bf109 and Fw190 ;)
[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: gatt ]
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So you're in favor of a Malta scenario, then Gatt? :)
Won't you be needing some Fiats first?
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Hehe Seeker, I'd love a Malta scenario :) However, I'm aware that the Spitfire MkV is too tough for the C.202. Mhhhhh ... what about a big, ugly, fat, Voke (sp?) filter to slow down your clean MkV? ;)
P.S.: over Malta there were Macchi C.200 and C.202, Re2001, SM79 ... no Fiat AFAIK :).
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Sono pienamente in linea col tuo pensiero GATT,ormai qui ci sono moltissimi aerei del 1944-45,credo che tu abbia ragione,sarei felice per il Gobbo SM79 e il RE2002 anche questo veniva costruito nella città dove abito.Ma dopo 2 anni che volo in AcesHigh ancora non ho capito la loro politica di gestione nel fare aerei del 44-45 chiedere un sacco di soldi per giocare, poi dopo accorgersi che era meglio abbassare il costo dimezzandolo e cominciare ad inserire aerei del 39-43,e ancora non ho visto l'aereo protagonista di questa epoca che è lo Stuka JU87 con varie versioni.
Sono molto perplesso non si vedono più scenari da un anno nessuno fa più nulla,le nuove arene introdotte non hanno successo,mi chiedo perchè.
La mia domanda che spesso mi pongo è " perchè funziona solo la Main Arena",stanno inserendo varianti in tema di strategia,ma secondo me in modo sbagliato,ultimamente non sono soddisfatto di questo SIM,sarà perchè sto diventanto vecchio e brontolone,e quindi vorrei più realismo di volo,booo
Cmq sperare non costa nulla a parte i 14$ al mese.
Salutoni
Drago
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Vote [1] P-40 actually
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Skyrats/files/RNZAF%20P-40.jpg)
Tronsky
486 Sqn (NZ), "hiwa hau maka"
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great minds think alike tronski
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Originally posted by pimpjoe:
great minds think alike tronski
P-40's such a nice plane, not at all like that damned ugly Re2005 :D
Tronsky
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Originally posted by Pongo:
Thanks for the great info on your plane Busc
I like the way you have presented it.
Gets my vote. Numbers are irrelivent. This is a game of Air combat not a simulation of manufacturing logistics.
I . . . agree with Pongo. ??? Heh, well, I guess I do! :D
SOB
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Originally posted by DukeMskt:
I think it's very pretty....how many NK1's were built? DukeMskt.
Only 415 of the N1K2-J like we have in the game now were produced. They were a good match for anything the allies had, except at high altitude (which explains their inability to effectively take on B-29's and such). The reason there weren't so many was directly attributable to B-29 raids hitting the factories. The B-29 also essentially stopped any major production of subsequent improved models and prototypes of the N1K series.
So anyway, I vote for B-29's (probably perked of course)!
(http://www.applink.net/thunder/sig/DHBG.jpg)
[ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: Kodiak2 ]