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Title: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: Ardy123 on April 15, 2010, 04:45:51 AM
Maybe my rudder pedals are failing, but often it feels like the rudder controls are sticking when I'm in a violent fight, almost like I'm constantly giving full right rudder. Has anyone else noticed this when your flying slow and aggressively? It appears to have started with the latest patch for me.

Thanks
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: Shane on April 15, 2010, 12:12:30 PM
sounds like torque to me... unless it's actually your pedals. Slow speed + full power on a 109 produces quite a bit of torque.
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: vent on April 15, 2010, 12:59:59 PM
Ardy seems like he has been flying the 109's long enough to know about the torque though. I have only been flying the k4 and haven't noticed anything in that particular plane. I will test out the g14 and let you know if i find anything (although I dont use pedals)
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: Ardy123 on April 15, 2010, 01:47:52 PM
yeah, I know about the torque, it usually pulls to the left not the right, thats what threw me off.
If I film it, is there an 'egg' in the film viewer that will show the stick/pedal inputs? this could help clarify whats going on.
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: Krupinski on April 15, 2010, 02:09:52 PM
I haven't noticed anything different in any of the 109s.
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: BillyD on April 15, 2010, 02:28:01 PM
flew around in the gustav a bit the other day, seemed fine to me
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on April 15, 2010, 02:47:00 PM
Could be me, but It seems more responsive
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: papjohns on April 15, 2010, 04:17:06 PM
Could be me, but It seems more responsive

Perk the G14! Not that I fly it often, except from capped bases...but I haven't noticed anything.
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: uptown on April 15, 2010, 04:31:02 PM
I don't know if you have rudder pedals or not Ardy, but my pedals are getting old and worn out, and they won't go back to center on they're own like they used to, half the time. Could this be the problem?
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: Ardy123 on April 15, 2010, 04:58:57 PM
I don't know if you have rudder pedals or not Ardy, but my pedals are getting old and worn out, and they won't go back to center on they're own like they used to, half the time. Could this be the problem?

Thats what I'm beginning to think too. I wish I could see the recorded stick/pedal inputs from a film, that would confirm if its the pedals.
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: Krusty on April 15, 2010, 05:02:23 PM
Just go into the clipboard setup next time it happens (even if you die) and click on the rudder axis and click the tab to open up the side flap.

See if the green bar is centered while feet are off, or if it's pegged to one extreme. Would be a big indicator it's hardware and not software.
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: Ardy123 on April 15, 2010, 05:14:52 PM
Good idea, I'll try that, it doesn't last for long, only for a couple of sec, is there a quick key to the controls menu?
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: Krusty on April 15, 2010, 05:17:59 PM
No quick keys, sorry.
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: Agent360 on April 16, 2010, 04:11:49 AM
Ardy...the answer in in the release notes

you will have to read all of them starting with the first patch when ww1 came out.

its there i promise u. I have read it myself


its about the elevator not the rudder
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: OOZ662 on April 16, 2010, 05:51:33 AM
Good idea, I'll try that, it doesn't last for long, only for a couple of sec, is there a quick key to the controls menu?

Open it at the beginning of your flight, then minimize the clipboard. Hit Esc and it'll come right back up.
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: Ardy123 on April 16, 2010, 01:41:25 PM
Ardy...the answer in in the release notes

you will have to read all of them starting with the first patch when ww1 came out.

its there i promise u. I have read it myself


its about the elevator not the rudder

The release notes, is that the info listed on the information page associated with every patch? Or is there a txt file that goes into more depth?

The possible things I found were...
    "The large spinning mass of these engines makes gyroscopic precession a large factor in how these planes fly. With the clockwise rotating engines of these planes, a pitch up movement will create a yaw to the right, a pitch down movement will create a yaw to the left, a yaw to the left will create a pitch down and a yaw to the right will create a pitch up."
   This only applies to rotary engines correct (Which a 109 does not have)?

"Fixed a bug that caused transsonic effects not to kick in at that part of the flight envelope."
   Transonic stuff only happens when I'm going close to the sound barrier correct?
 
"Horizontal stabilizers can now be destroyed independently of each other."   
   I wasn't missing any parts, so my elevator was not busted nor was I missing half of it.

I'm guessing that there is a text file with each release or something with more info....
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 16, 2010, 03:54:05 PM
The release notes, is that the info listed on the information page associated with every patch? Or is there a txt file that goes into more depth?

The possible things I found were...
    "The large spinning mass of these engines makes gyroscopic precession a large factor in how these planes fly. With the clockwise rotating engines of these planes, a pitch up movement will create a yaw to the right, a pitch down movement will create a yaw to the left, a yaw to the left will create a pitch down and a yaw to the right will create a pitch up."
   This only applies to rotary engines correct (Which a 109 does not have)?

That I believe was in reference to the rotary engined WW1 kites.

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"Fixed a bug that caused transsonic effects not to kick in at that part of the flight envelope."
   Transonic stuff only happens when I'm going close to the sound barrier correct?

This I believe is in reference to the bug with planes like the P-38 that were able to exceed their dive speeds without any negative effects.

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"Horizontal stabilizers can now be destroyed independently of each other."   
   I wasn't missing any parts, so my elevator was not busted nor was I missing half of it.

That addition was part of the new damage model that was introduced in the WW2 arenas

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I'm guessing that there is a text file with each release or something with more info....


Usually the patch notes posted on the forums contains the same information as the patch notes in the text files.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Strange behavior with the 109G14 with the new patch
Post by: greens on April 17, 2010, 08:48:51 PM
Maybe my rudder pedals are failing, but often it feels like the rudder controls are sticking when I'm in a violent fight, almost like I'm constantly giving full right rudder. Has anyone else noticed this when your flying slow and aggressively? It appears to have started with the latest patch for me.

Thanks
Ya ardy sumtin is wrong with the G14, Ive been landing kills up the yang today...WOOT!! i usually dont fly the 109s any good lol i see nothing wrong with it.