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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Citabria on April 14, 2001, 01:53:00 PM
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(http://www.aviation-history.com/republic/p47-2.jpg)
1. the razorback behind the cockpit to the tail looks funky. dosn't slope down to the Vstab and Hstab correctly.
can you confirm this? or am I looking at it from a funky angle?
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2. the pilots canopy kicks ass.
but should not be able to see through to other side (rear window panels) behind pilots armored headrest.
(http://www.dogfighter.com/images/briefs/aceshigh/010414/p473.jpg)
(http://store3.yimg.com/I/ehobbies-com_1626_202976935)
[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 04-14-2001).]
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(http://www.internetmodeler.com/2000/july2000/aviation/p47d_1.jpg)
Special treat:
http://user.online.be/ragas/airwar/awsgabreski.html (http://user.online.be/ragas/airwar/awsgabreski.html)
p.s. Wrong plane? What does it look like a Focke Wulfe or something?? If that isn't the same P-47 type modelled by HTC I'll eat a tentacle. It's a side shot showing the razorback clearly. I think the screen shot shows the AH P-47D 'Razorback' a bit out of perspective due to the close in from the tail angle. Also, Citabiras example was definately taken with a lense that suffered some sort of optical fish eye type of view. That plane is distorted a bit in that picture.
[This message has been edited by Squidzilla (edited 04-14-2001).]
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Sorry squid wrong plane
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JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
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Campaigning for the rights of the ME-410.
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Nice 47..except nose/tail markings are off.
Cowling should be red with no stripes on the horizontal stab.
Daff
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nonononononono natedog. It has TWO engines, one on each wing, its painted green, smaller probs... are you paying attention nate? dangit ! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Any performace difference in the p-47s?? 30-25 and what is this the d-11 model?
This is the 51B of the p-47s
Any good websites that have ww2 airplanes and stats?
Thanks
LaVa
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Here ya go Lava. http://www.ixpres.com/ag1caf/usplanes/american.htm (http://www.ixpres.com/ag1caf/usplanes/american.htm)
[This message has been edited by XNachoX (edited 04-14-2001).]
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Hmm, according to Squidzillas picture, the AH razorback has too big horizontal stabilizers..
Looks like in the screenshot elevators and rudder are on about same line, but in the picture elevators are more to forward, only halfway over the rudder.
hmm, vertical stabilizer shape might be bit different too.
In the picture vert stabs tip looks sharper than in the screenshot.
that one might go to POW of the picture as well.
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It looks funny because instead of a reworked tail section specifically, the D25 used, grafting on a different cockpit and stretching the tail to make it fit while doing minimum work.
Or it's taken at a funny angle.
who knows?
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Thanks NACHO!!
Great site (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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quoth Cit:
"but should not be able to see through to other side (rear window panels) behind pilots armored headrest"
They probably took a field trip down to Galveston and looked at P-47G painted as Walter Beckham's "Little Demon", which has open rear windows where the retrofitted back seat is.
</wild bellybutton guess>
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Fishu - they call it perspective.
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Ok, now I'm going to nit pick. The US insignia over the intercooler door (those are the big square openings on either side of the rear fuselage) is done incorrectly. The doors look open since there is a shadow effect along the latter half. But you should be able to see a portion of the US insignia on the forward half of the intercooler door which slides forward and into the fuselage. Also, the area exposed by the open intercooler doors was often bare metal with only the US insignia applied.
I've got a really good sequence of pictures that show exactly how the intercooler doors operate. They didn't simply open inward or slide forward--they did both. I'll try to scan the pictures for you so you know what I mean.
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The code letters HV slightly overlap the intercooler doors--they should be moved forward a hair in front of the intercooler doors. The "A" should be slid slightly aft just in front of the horizontal stab, and the US insignia on the fuselage should be raised slightly and enlarged about 20% (the size of the insignia in the black and white picture at the top of this thread). There is no antenna mast. There are no kill markers!! (Should be what? about 16?... will research later) There is no rearview mirrow--but then no other planes in AH have em. (http://www1.jump.net/~cs3/smilies/smirk.gif)
BTW, we getting 108 and 150 gallon drops for the jug in this version?
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One question on color...
Many pictures I see of the early olive drab jugs appear a chocolate brown color, as in the photo above. Yet I often see profile are with the color appearing more greenish.
Which one is correct, or were there two different olive drabs in use?
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Sancho, they didnt exactly have stringent requirements for the paints to keep the same shade, so the colours would vary from batch to batch, often quite radicly.
I remember reading comments about how the skyblue could vary from light blue to dark blue depending on which bucket you chose :).
But..I tend to lean towards the greener version of the olive drab :).
Also, that picture appears to be a WW2 one, where the colours were often over-saturated.
As for the shape-oddities, it seems to be, if not deliberate, then a necessity due to polygon-count restriction.
Daff
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Olive drab is a very flat, brownish green initially, but lots of thinner was used to make the paint last longer...
As to why our OD planes are so green, I have no idea. It looks more like the German standardized dark green/medium green then a variant of OD (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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An oft forgotten aspect of aircraft camouflage color is wheatering. Most basically you have dirt, oil stains, sun fading, water damage, damage from crews etc. An interesting additional effect was also present on USAAF OD painted fighters operating in Northern Europe. Most of their flights took them up to and over 30k often for many hours at time, at there altitudes the amount of radiation is extremly high compared to lower altitudes. This radiation somehow interacted with the OD paint often giving it a darker almost brown/purple tint. USSAAF planes in the pacific didnt experience this effect due to generally lower operational altitudes.
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(http://home.nc.rr.com/ammo/public.html/lwf2.bmp)
notice plane # 25, this is teh AC that is modeled for AH...and it has the white stripe on the vertical stab.
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8 kills sancho, or so it seems. February was a good week also for the 56th FG, Big week.
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Hehe, plane 28 is the same plane a month later. I like it with the red cowl better. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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listen to you lot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
like old women with a new knitting pattern! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
p47 razorback looks cool but IMHO there are many more interesting schemes not to mention the red cowling vers. mentioned here
if we luftwobbles started cranking on about things missing on our planes we get called whiners!
you guys do it and its ok I see (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hazed
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