Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Tracker521 on November 30, 1999, 01:17:00 AM
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Alright, I realise that im going to be killed with the wieght of the text of technical people i saw in the G-51 post about it.. but i agree with the person who said the above.. which i have named the topic.. and i agree with the technical guys to some degree.. the simulation has to be realistic.. but Not the simulation itself.. just the units have to be.. and who cares if they never saw combat.. a flight simulator is where the average person or experience civil pilot, such as myself (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) can have a go at flying planes he or she never would do in real life.. so for instance is someone wants a F-7 in the game.. so be it.. there cool.. there a plane.. they have wings and they fit the simulation fine.. let it be! as long as it flys realistic and is in the sence a simulation of the actual plane.. its perfect.. and its something WARBIRDS hasnt got..
Now for my recomendation which i fear will spark massive realistic and techinical argumentive chaos as to how i could even recomend this in a "WW II" simulation such as this.. right.. ... AREAS.. we need them.. so people which little experience who just want to have fun can do just that.. another where its strictly realistic with the right planes.. and one where they can just do what the hell they want.. fight with what the hell they want with what the hell they want.. but leave the game the same for all partys.. alright...
AIRWARRIOR 1.2.3, WARBIRDS 1.0+
what do they all have..
exactly what this sim has to SOME DEGREE
but they do not have ships.. and even tho AIRWARRIOR does have vehicals..but its about as realistic as shooting a pea at a 747 and seeing it explode.. ( dont get technical how that could happen)
the key is to be different.. have something different and at the same time.. be realistic
I propose the following planes to be added...
they may not be WW II .. but as i said .. thats when areas come in.. in some areas you could easyly block a user from entering with a plane that would not suit in that area.. when in others its just what the hell you want.. anyway
from WWII to Vietnam.. thats what we need...
(but not modern)
Bombers:
B-29 Super Fortress
(never been modeled in any simulation except FS98 and its time we put it in!
B-52 Stratofortress
(I realise its not a WW II plane, but it could be in a mixed plane area.. and again.. never been realisticly modeled in any simulation besides USNF'97.. even then it wasnt realistic and ACES HIGH needs it.. because no one else has it and its DIFFERENT!
S-2 Tracker
(as my name suggests its my favorate plane..) and NO simulation has ever modeled the mini of Anti Sub and ship warfare
its DIFFERENT.. and would be used alot in anti ship warfare and anti tank and vehical warfare.. being able to take off on short distances.. easy to fly and small.. not too modern but just fits the roll nicely with rockets, bombs and torpedoes
Mig/Sabre 15-17-86
Classic fighter of that period.. not much missile crap.. but good close combat with guns and speed.. a plane that warbirds doesnt have.. and in airwarrior its like flying every other plane!
AC-130A/U Spectre
only ever modeled in Janes USNF series.. not very realistic unless you like driving trucks in the sky..
modeled realisticly.. its a good addition to the ACES HIGH aircraft hanger.. its hellfire rockets, 20, 40 and 105MM cannons make short work of everything.. but the plane and pilot.. unlike so many other anti ship and anti tank planes.. has to be upclose and personal .. circleing the target.. the varient A.. used crew to fire guns at targets in apex to it.. firing a rain of bullets at anything.. close as u can get to flying artillery with the 104mm howtizer.. the U varient is more robotic in aiming.. having computer slaved and actuated guns.. good for the solo pilot who wants to fly his own plane into battle.. its ceramic armor making it a worthy and formitable target for any aircraft as well as ground or sea unit.. its speed makes it useable in any AREA.. any plane can take it down with the right possitioned shots... and just one of the other planes to make ACES HIGH different
SEAKING / SEAHAWK helicopter..
Simple.. ever seen a mixed sim like ACES HIGH have helicopters? No?.. well its time someone did.. the seaking and sea hawk are usefull for naval warfare and ground combat as well as transport.. just implement it just for the hell of it
well anyway.. thats all i can think of.. in a realistic perspective to make ACES HIGH unlike any other sim and also have better aircraft which are not too superior for WW II combat.. and all use close up and personal combat tactics..
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Tracker521,
I believe the intent of HTC is to create a WWII flight-sim. That is to say, a place where one can fly aircraft that flew in combat in WWII in an environment that attempts to simulate WWII. This means a ground war complete with a logistical and industrial infrastructure for each side, though the focus will be in the air.
Though what you propose has merit it would be an expansion of a "bigger and better" WB, IMHO. What I'm looking for, personally, is a damn good reason(forgive my swahili) to be flying a La-5FN, and to aid in a simulated WWII war effort is the one I'm looking for.
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129 IAP VVS RKKA
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Puuh, I'd suggest getting good WWII simulator with close realism flight models in general and for planes, not some quick plane add-ons which flies like UFOs and are to be some kind of planes.
If talking of planes never modelled, theres lots of early war planes to go which I haven't seen getting much popularity..
I-16, I-153, Brewster, Morane saulnier, some Fiats, LaGG3, DB-3, Do17, He111, SB-2, Pe-2...... those planes would be intresting ones, E would really matter something and losing it wouldn't need only two seconds to regain.
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NEVERMIND, FORGET IT ALL, IVE SEEN A MORE SUPERIOR PRODUCT IN THE MAKING.. IT MAY HAVE BEEN A STOLEN IDEA FROM THIS GAME .. BUT ITS A DAMN GOOD ONE.. ALTHO NOT MADE YET ITS GOT MY ATTENSION.. STUFF THIS SIM..
GOTO:
www.wwiionline.com (http://www.wwiionline.com)
STRAIGHT AWAY!.. NOW..!! and read about the virtual battle field in the making which already looks and seems better so much more than this... GO I TELL YOU.. GO!
as i see it, when this comes out.. i aint buying anymore games because this is all!
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It aint nothing some medication wouldn't fix for you Tracker.
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They going to let you have your seahawk tracker?
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<opens mouth>.... nah, nevermind
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John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
"The Artist Formerly Known As MONKEY"
-=HELLFIRE=- SQUAD
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Good Bye and Good Luck! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mino
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Pfft.. have a look at the page before you put me down... and the planes where just a suggestion to differ ACES HIGH from warbirds.. to appeal to everyone.. im a hardcore WW II simulator pilot.. i dont really want to fly any of those planes all the time.. it would just be good to have them there as something different.. anyway nevermind
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and before you all think im against this sim.. im not.. its a good simulation.. but the price and quality of the game is what i'll be going by..
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Understand your excitement Tracker,
Everyone is excited to see the world Playnet is building. But keep in mind that HTC and Playnet folks were the ICI crew that built WarBirds. They know each other, and if not friends, always respect the other's work. HTC is on time, on track, and on the money. Once again, HT and his crew have made a better sim. Playnet is shooting for the moon. Not just a sim, but a complete world at war, WWIIOL will be like nothing else that came before. But they have to prove it by making deadlines, accurate models, and a working arena. I'm hoping they do, but until then HTC is still the big dog in my book. Sic em Dale!
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B-52 Stratofortress
in a realistic perspective to make ACES HIGH unlike any other sim and also have better aircraft which are not too superior for WW II combat.. and all use close up and personal combat tactics..
Not too superior?! Close up and personal??!! Notice the name: Stratofortress! The "BUFF" is faster, can carry many times more bombs and fly higher than anything that flew in WW2! What do I intercept it with? A "pilotable" V-2 rocket?!
If you want something different in Aces High, please suggest something just a little more relevant to the time period and "spirit" of the game.
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speaking of payloads, isn't the 17G's off by about 14000lbs?
=)
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I realise not everyone flys the B-52 like i do in sims.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
i forgot that some people actully use its speed and alt to there advantage.. as apposed to the way i fly it.. 20,000 feet max.. dive or fly at very low alt over a target and drop iron bombs.. pulling up before you an get caught in the blast.. fun as all hell.. but yeah.. i do see your point
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and i do realise that talk of a veitnam simulation while where still getting the WW II bits fixed up is a major step forward.. but i still dont see why when made.. they cant be intergrated.. unrealistic as it may be.. it still will be fun.. altho i do prefer the realistic approach to things
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So let me get this straight - you want a B-52 in Aces High so you can fly it like you would a He177(a four-engine level/dive bomber)?!
If you want a Vietnam game I suggest you check out the AirWarrior one that's coming up.
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.... nevermind.. it started off as just a suggestion
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Might I suggest falling on your sword now?
It's about your only chance for honor and respect now, lol.
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And you thought I was a moron.....
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ehehehe....missles...we dont need no stinking missles.
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Gijoey,Joetwo,JoeMud=me
DHBG!!
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Man, first time I agree with Fishu. Is the doctor in? ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Seriously, there are a lot of not yet modeled a/c. The most part are early war fighters and bombers.
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An F-22 Raptor! Can you imagine the field capturing possibilities or killing B-17s from 10 miles away!
An AH B-52 pilot: "I bombed F18 from 54,000 Ft, the enemy Mustangs had a problem reaching alitude. What a bunch of dweebs!"
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Damn Ghostrider! This bogey is all over me!!
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Anybody ever fly this mission? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
There I was at 30,000 feet in my F4 Phantom when I bounced 6 B-17s and 6 B-17s and 6 B17s and those guys were good.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
"The side with the fanciest uniforms loses."
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Yeah those B17's can really turn quick, but the Phantom can beat them in a zoom climb - best use vertical maneouvers against them. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hehe Pyro, Chuck Yeagers Air Combat… the memories.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Jinx
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Oh Tracker,
Boy, you sure caught the flamethrower bigtime. Just tell me where to mail the case of Aloe stalks and it'll be on me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
To be honest, it would be kinda cool to do a time travel thingy - see if two F-4s could stop Pearl Harbor, etc. Still, I don't know if this is the place for it. Maybe as an offline/H2H thing, maybe?
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129 IAP VVS RKKA
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Yeah, leonid...the Fantasy Arena. Maybe it would only run one weekend a month or something. Of course, the Grumman XF5Fs of the Blackhawk Squadron would be ringing up Tomcats like stepping on ants.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Flathat
'Black Dahlia'
No10 RNAS "The Black Flight"
Angel on your wing, devil on your tail
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I have been converted !
I used to only play warbirds - but aces high blows wbs out of the water . Anyway I had an idea on a warbirds topic post about flying boats and an introduced rescue role . If you want variety in a sim then put something in that no other sim has - never really thought of anyway and thats flying boats (providing that aces high gets a nice big body of pacific ocean in a map (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)). the only sim to even attempt a flying boat was a fs6 add on pack , and it only worked because fs6 couldnt tell the difference of water to land.
Okay - this is a summary of my thread at wbs (well I wrote the following but never posted it etc)Maybe im a bit far ahead but its worth consideration
FLYING BOATS etc
Planes
*PBY Catalina
*Shorts Sunderland
H7K "Mavis"
*H8K "Emily"
E14y "Glen"
He115
*Dornier Do24
(*must have (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
Roles they do (and possible new scenarios -explained below)
Sub hunting/Anti shipping
Search/Rescue
Recon
Troop Carrier/boat lauched troops
Light Bomb duties
Cargo
New Scenarios for the Sea Planes/Amphibians
The Rescue role - this was the most widely accepted (and debated) scenario
Where a FB/A has the ability to pick up a downed ("feet wet") pilot during play so the downed pilot can keep some of his points -
* When a pilot bails or ditches in the ocean where he would be captured he bounces back to the tower (just like he does now). In the map view he sees a small X or some other symbol to mark the location of his pilot.
This marker remains in his map view if he selects a Catalina to attempt rescue. If he flies a fighter or bomber the marker disappears (captured).
* Another pilot could also attempt the rescue if he chooses. If he selects a Catalina and highlights the downed pilot (.hl command) he sees the marker in his map view.The rescuer would obviously be compensated for his efforts through point allocation for a successful rescue
* Its a one chance thing. If the Catalina is shot down the original marker disappears (captured).
-There were also questions raised that if the symbol(ie raft) could be destroyed by enemy forces .I don't support this view but I support the view that the enemy can capture downed pilots of the opposite team -perhaps for more points or for further points to be removed from the downed pilot
The Cargo Role-Adding a new stratigy to the game
Essentually the player has to move cargo from point a to point b "for the good of the nation" in a cargo/sea plane
This obviously could be intermixed with other aircraft types (ie c47 , ju52).An example of
a cargo scenario Transport stuff between ports/airbases ? VIPs/Special Cargo, Ammo etc for eg Perhaps it
could be aircraft spares - allowing a "damaged" or "unserviceable" type of aircraft to be unlocked
heres my scenario for eg - heard there was some difficulty in one of the arenas with the ju52 not being avalible at some fields
- perhaps a cargo run in a catalina could unlock these ?-adding a new dynamic option to replace/repair damaged planes if a limit is
placed on the numbers of planes/types of planes .It would also allow online squadrons to practise in cargo escourting .
Introduction of subs/u-boats and sub hunting and mining - yet again another area that could be explored to add new targets - most of
the heavy flying boats had the ability to lay mines to disrupt shipping and to sub hunt
Addition of safe water ports - It would be far to easy for a "sea" plane to land anywhere.Perhaps add wharfs for the ability to load/unload troops - like launching paratroops??
link in these wharfs with local airfields?? .Recon/primative radar roles - ability to hide in clouds means that the heavy flying boats won't be such a target for "furballers" and provide a little eye candy with clouds ?
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-Psychomutt
outta interest - What sim allows one to fly the Buff ???like to get my hands on it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Psychomutt (edited 12-30-1999).]
[This message has been edited by Psychomutt (edited 12-30-1999).]
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CYAC Rulez dooood! LOL
Actually, my fave was "There I was in my Phantom when I bounced 8 guys in ME 162s and 4 guys in ME262. Those guys were GOOD."
Just out of curiosity... Any chance for the Comet? Given the current <ahem> 'uber' nature of the b-17s it'd be neat to have Komets (maybe just at one back field) as a quick scramble plane to at least have a fighting chance at hitting those FL35 uberbuffs.
~Lemur