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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: morfiend on April 26, 2010, 03:34:58 PM
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I just saw the pix of the new Mossie,she sure looks great,the cockpit is superb!
Just imagine my disappointment as I viewed the pix and saw no sign of that glorious 6lber sticking out the nose!
Oh well see looks sweet and I hope the baffles have been removed!
:salute
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BEEEEEUTI-FUL! WTG HTC crew! :aok
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that is SWEET. Thanks HTC
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Looks very very nice Superfly! :)
I see the flame dampeners have been removed.
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Bronk want 57mm. :devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M00f5RxhxLY
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man she is going to look so good when on fire, good work!
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YES!!!!!! :aok :rock :rock :rock :rock :x :x :x :salute :salute
words cant describe how excited i am
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AWESOME!! :aok :aok
Also, they forgot to move the cursor out of the way :P
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have they removed the exhaust flame shields? so it will be faster?
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anyone get a screenshot now and post the deferences?
EDIT:hopefully it will perform better turning,speed,etc.
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Yes JD,they removed the dampeners and yes it should be considerably faster from 8 to 15 mph faster depending on alt.
:salute
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anyone get a screenshot now and post the deferences?
Look here:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/Image:MosquitoFBVI_AHII_2.12.4.jpg (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/Image:MosquitoFBVI_AHII_2.12.4.jpg)
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Karnak is gonna be stoked!!!
WTFG HTC
Helm ...out
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Mossie looks great, but what about our beloved severly aged P-40 series :(
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Updates are coming out rapidly...so either the new version is very close or there are many many updates to be had!
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Karnak is going to be one happy chappy when he sees this.
Question: Will the pilots head move in this new model? Just like they do in WWI?
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so whats thing got for firepower?
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so whats thing got for firepower?
The same thing it did before.
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The same thing it did before.
I guess Spikes had his translator tuned on.
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The same thing it did before.
Unless we get another model..... :noid
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so will it be any good for can opening?
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I guess Spikes had his translator tuned on.
Yeah...is it bad to leave it on? :noid
Unless we get another model..... :noid
:noid 57 57 57!
so will it be any good for can opening?
Only with bombs.
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I'm sure there will be other versions?
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Hang on, I'm about to channel Barry White:
"Ohhhhhhhh bay-buh."
Edit- P.S. Hope it's got Merlin 25s for low-down happiness.
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For those expecting it to be a P-51D because its flame dampers have been removed are going to be disappointed, but it should be a bit faster, yes. Nice to see this great a/c being redone. :aok
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:noid 57 57 57!
Now you're gettin it. :aok
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So what does the other guy do...does this mean you get a second chance with a co pilot :D
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I'm sure there will be other versions?
I hope so!
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Hmm. Doesn't appear to be a Beaufighter.....curses! :)
Good for the Mossie fans though :aok
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Just need some shipping to be put in place now. :devil
Also, fingers crossed for a new Tempest model. I will have a baby when that day comes. I'll have twins if we ever see the Gloster Meteor.
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Oh man, she is gorgeous!
Absolutely made my day! Thank you HTC!
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Oh man, she is gorgeous!
Absolutely made my day! Thank you HTC!
So happy for you mate!
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Props to Greebo - that skin is from an aircraft which was on the Amiens Prison raid!
:salute
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Also, fingers crossed for a new Tempest model. I will have a baby when that day comes. I'll have twins if we ever see the Gloster Meteor.
I'll want exclusive rights to the delivery room photos...the money will pay for my 10 years worth of subscriptions and new hardware.
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I'll want exclusive rights to the delivery room photos...the money will pay for my 10 years worth of subscriptions and new hardware.
lol.
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Not sure, but I think the outer exhaust stubs should have six stacks while the inner ones have five as shown. I'll check my references when I get home about 00:15 Texas time.
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Props to Greebo - that skin is from an aircraft which was on the Amiens Prison raid!
Yes, once again, WTG Greebo!!
Sorry I forgot! :(
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Finally!! Woo Woo!
:rock
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I love how Greebo did the panel lines, they look hyper realistic. :rock
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I do have to say one thing.
Whoever is flying the mossie in the last pic on the Front page....
STOP SHOWING OFF!
I've just realised that they are FLYING, not taxing!
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glad to see theyre improving the mossie, its one of my favorite planes becuas eof its spectacular view and firepower :cheers:
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:rolleyes: and you couldn't type this in the other "new mossie" thread because......................
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,288016.0.html
*ducks*
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Glass nose version? No...........damn. Still freaking sweet though :aok
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:rolleyes: and you couldn't type this in the other "new mossie" thread because......................
He wanted the attention from others.
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He wanted the attention from others.
:eek: I think there's a message in there somewhere :noid
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Could we use a bomber version with formation in AH2?
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I would so love a Mossie B.
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Drawbacks to the Mossie's handling have to do more with pilot error than machine limitations. It handles just fine provided you know how to burn her fuel, and ride her through the rodeo.
EDIT:hopefully it will perform better turning,speed,etc.
This is a dream come true BTW!!!
THANK YOU HTC, THANK YOU!
6 pounder wouldn't be a bad thing either!
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No bombsight....... :headscratch:
Could we use a bomber version with formation in AH2?
NO
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Problem with the 57mm Mollins gun Mk XVIII as a different is that it also included over 800lbs of additional armor around the cockpit and engines. I don't believe AH is set up to modify armor models based on choices made in the hangar. The other issue is the fact that only 27 of them were made.
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Problem with the 57mm Mollins gun Mk XVIII as a different is that it also included over 800lbs of additional armor around the cockpit and engines. I don't believe AH is set up to modify armor models based on choices made in the hangar. The other issue is the fact that only 27 of them were made.
How many WW were made again?
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No bombsight....... :headscratch:
NO
The bomber versions had bombsights.
How many WW were made again?
Less than 100 as I recall. Not as strong on German armor as on Mossies. :p
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Ohh and taking a load out option already changes weight. Try a 6 gun p47 vs 8 gun.
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So Karnak, what you're saying is......... We need a 2nd version? And as such, your armor issue becomes moot, not m00t...........
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How many WW were made again?
About 105... and 43 Ostwind... and probably less than 70 Ta 152H...
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The weight issue is one thing, but the Gentleman speaks about the armor and metal reinforcement.
Ohh and taking a load out option already changes weight. Try a 6 gun p47 vs 8 gun.
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The weight issue is one thing, but the Gentleman speaks about the armor and metal reinforcement.
Since the guns are added could't the armor be added also?
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Oh baby, can't wait!!!
Steely
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Only from an overall weight side........ But as for damage modifiers, it would take some coding.
Since the guns are added could't the armor be added also?
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Only from an overall weight side........ But as for damage modifiers, it would take some coding.
Kinda like when one of those load out guns gets taken out? :D
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Neg sir...... From the standpoint of how much damage can the engine mount take before going poof. I hear you on the weight issues, for sure. Karnak, I believe, is making the point that the 6 pound Mossie had extra armor and an extra metal wireframe added for support of the recoil. The weight is one thing, but increasing the damage ability of the engines may not be so simple..... Hence the need for a 2nd version! :aok
Kinda like when one of those load out guns gets taken out? :D
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If possible, the 57mm would make a great perk loadout.
Neg sir...... From the standpoint of how much damage can the engine mount take before going poof. I hear you on the weight issues, for sure. Karnak, I believe, is making the point that the 6 pound Mossie had extra armor and an extra metal wireframe added for support of the recoil. The weight is one thing, but increasing the damage ability of the engines may not be so simple..... Hence the need for a 2nd version! :aok
I am not aware of any additional structural requirements for the 57mm. The armor was added to protect the engines and crew on what was presumed to be a more aggressive ground attack role. The original intent for these Mossies was anti-tank, but the ended up just being used by Coastal Command against u-boats and freighters.
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If possible, the 57mm would make a great perk loadout.I am not aware of any additional structural requirements for the 57mm. The armor was added to protect the engines and crew on what was presumed to be a more aggressive ground attack role. The original intent for these Mossies was anti-tank, but the ended up just being used by Coastal Command against u-boats and freighters.
We must use it for it's original intent..... just to prove the concept. :D
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Karnak.........being a mossie fan myself(I can't fly the danged things worth a flip) I'm sure you've seen 633rd squadron? :banana:
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Drain LO & RO before your droptanks.................... ..... :aok
Karnak.........being a mossie fan myself(I can't fly the danged things worth a flip) I'm sure you've seen 633rd squadron? :banana:
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We must use it for it's original intent..... just to prove the concept. :D
The 6lber gun the 57mm Mollins was based on got the first Tiger I kill in N. Africa. Hidden in a bush, 100 yards, through the lower front glacis.
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The 6lber gun the 57mm Mollins was based on got the first Tiger I kill in N. Africa. Hidden in a bush, 100 yards, through the lower front glacis.
Yes... yes... but we must try it on the wing. :D
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If the Tse Tse was added, the Il-2 would no longer be a tanker's worst fear. In US tests they found the 57mm Mollins superior to the 75mm on the B-25H/G due to the Mollin's ability to be used while maneuvering. Also, the Mollins carried all AP rounds.
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all i need to say... TWO WEEKS :aok
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It is possible that we'll see a bomber Mossie or two later this week in the manner we saw the Shermans last week.
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maybe??
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P-40!!! :bolt:
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Tempest with 150 grade fuel! 404MPH on deck. /faint.
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maybe??
I have no inside information. I am merely suggesting it is possible. B.IV would be nice for scenarios and B.XVI would be nice for the MA and scenarios.
Tempest with 150 grade fuel! 404MPH on deck. /faint.
The Tempest's stats don't indicate it needs any help in the performance department. :P
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nice ! :aok
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I want the fast level bombing version with the bombsights.
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I want the fast level bombing version with the bombsights.
Would be very nice to see the Mk IV and/or Mk XVI. The Mk XVI would, in particular, have a role in the MA as a very fast 'cookie' delivery system, though it would likely be lightly perked.
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I have no inside information. I am merely suggesting it is possible. B.IV would be nice for scenarios and B.XVI would be nice for the MA and scenarios.
The Tempest's stats don't indicate it needs any help in the performance department. :P
We should have both versions ofc.
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Looks very very nice Superfly! :)
I see the flame dampeners have been removed.
:rock
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I want the fast level bombing version with the bombsights.
^^^ this and 57 molins tse tse!!
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Not sure, but I think the outer exhaust stubs should have six stacks while the inner ones have five as shown. I'll check my references when I get home about 00:15 Texas time.
Having examined my sources five stacks on each side is accurate. Now that I think about it more, I seem to recall having read that they could be found with either, though all of the Mk VI photos I looked at tonight had either five stacks or flame dampers.
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Heh, just saw the news.
Congrats Karnak, finally got a new Mossy on the way!
Well deserved one, too.
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YES!
:rock Thank you HTC :rock
(http://www.flyaceshigh.com/news/images/mossie/mossie5.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/LeEnfield/DeHavillandMosquito.jpg)
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For those expecting it to be a P-51D because its flame dampers have been removed are going to be disappointed, but it should be a bit faster, yes. Nice to see this great a/c being redone. :aok
No, not a P-51, but it would be the difference between outrunning a Spitfire Mk XVI and being outrun by a Spitfire Mk XVI, which isn't a bad change. Actually, 15mph would halve the speed difference on the deck between the Mosquito VI and the P-51D.
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Looking obsessively close, as you guys at HTC know that some of us are prone to doing, it looks like the engine nacelles might be a bit too long or the ejector stacks a bit to far forward or the ejector stacks a bit too small.
Here is the best shot of the new Mosquito Mk VI showing the stacks on the inside of the nacelle:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/news/images/mossie/mossie3.jpg)
Here is a photo showing the inner stacks on a Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII, which was built on the FB.Mk VI's airframe with no changes to the wings or engine positions:
(http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/00B2D0A7-B459-4CED-A9EE-274BDE1E82BD/U1007382INP.jpg)
Notice how much closer to the radiator the stacks are in the photo. It was the radiator that prevented six stack ejectors being used on single stage Merlin powered Mosquitoes for that reason.
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great now all these dweebs are gonna be using MY mossie just because its pretty now.
beware the dweeb ho mossies!
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Well what are all the differences compared to the Mossie that we already have in the game.
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Well what are all the differences compared to the Mossie that we already have in the game.
AH2 graphics instead of AH1 graphics. Possibly 8-15mph faster depending on altitude if the flight model is changed to match the graphical switch from flame dampers to ejector stacks.
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Karnak, re the nacelle length.. It appears to me that the exhaust stubs as shown in the picture are the same distance from the coolers as HTC has modeled it. Its the outside stack that makes it look wrong. (Or I could be wrong, always a possibility)
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Karnak, re the nacelle length.. It appears to me that the exhaust stubs as shown in the picture are the same distance from the coolers as HTC has modeled it. Its the outside stack that makes it look wrong. (Or I could be wrong, always a possibility)
just visual perception. nothing different if you look close enough
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Can we do those low level strikes now? Or were they the bomber variants...
Anyway - thanks HTC. The Mossie looks cool. Can't wait to fly intruder missions - if I can find a target to take down, that is.
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I know many of you have this link, but this site has a wealth of information on the wooden wonder: Mossie.org (http://www.mossie.org)
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Thank you HTC, this is the best update I could hope for
:salute
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Thank you HTC, this is the best update I could hope for
:salute
The Pre-release notes mention that BatFink may not have one of these beautiful new birds. He keeps bringing them home all shot up! :lol
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Looking obsessively close, as you guys at HTC know that some of us are prone to doing, it looks like the engine nacelles might be a bit too long or the ejector stacks a bit to far forward or the ejector stacks a bit too small.
Notice how much closer to the radiator the stacks are in the photo. It was the radiator that prevented six stack ejectors being used on single stage Merlin powered Mosquitoes for that reason.
Is it possible it's just a matter of perspective Karnak?
I think if you look at the right engine in this screen shoot it compares very closely to the Mk XVIII photo you posted.
(http://www.flyaceshigh.com/news/images/mossie/mossie1.jpg)
(http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/00B2D0A7-B459-4CED-A9EE-274BDE1E82BD/U1007382INP.jpg)
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I don't think so, Baumer. Looking at the photo it looks like the end of the stub is about vertical with the forwardmost edge of the radiator housing in the photo and distinctly further out than that in the screen shots. The bit of nacelle skin between the end of the stubs and the radiator seems to be about twice as broad in the screenshots as it is in the photo.
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I don't think so, Baumer. Looking at the photo it looks like the end of the stub is about vertical with the forwardmost edge of the radiator housing in the photo and distinctly further out than that in the screen shots. The bit of nacelle skin between the end of the stubs and the radiator seems to be about twice as broad in the screenshots as it is in the photo.
because of the angle you are seeing it from and the shadowing of both pics... the old photo makes it look different than the in game model
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I own a photography firm.................... I am with Karnak on this one. The difference may be minor but there does seem to be a clear difference. 1940's photography was more "straight up and down" than we can do today. The way I would trick the viewer would be to use a SUPERduper telephoto lens (decreases depth) and shot from a more forward angle...... I do understand were Baumer is coming from however, but the real Mossie photo is lit well enough to "see" distance whereas the screenshot has AH shadowing going on to make it look "shorter." :salute
because of the angle you are seeing it from and the shadowing of both pics... the old photo makes it look different than the in game model
EDIT:
This photo looks a little more comparable to the layout of our new Mossie though...... Maybe it really is a full fledged B version................
(http://www.mossie.org/images/donated_images/Neil_Hutchinson/LR503.jpg)
THough this photo looks more like a PR than a B or FB.
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A B.Mk IV, like in your photo LLogann, would have the same length nacelles and the same exhaust stubs as the FB.Mk VI due to both having single stage Merlins.
A B.Mk IX or, the most common bomber version, a B.Mk XVI had to have longer nacelles to accommodated the blower on the two stage Merlins. On those versions, as well as the NF.Mk.30, the nacelles protruded far enough out for the engines to take the normal six stacks on each side, two per cylinder.
Mosquito B.Mk XVI:
(http://www.spitfire.dk/Dh98_Mosquito_B_MkXVI.jpg)
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It's about time for the mossie to get an upgrade. :aok
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Superb upgrade....hoping for a formation enabled cookie capable B MkIV or even a B Mk XVI.
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The Pre-release notes mention that BatFink may not have one of these beautiful new birds. He keeps bringing them home all shot up! :lol
:lol
but bringing them home? you must have the wrong batfink I never make it home.
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Thanks HTC. You guys really made my week!
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Say it again!!!! Say it again!!!!
Thanks HTC. You guys really made my week!
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doh nevermind :D
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Great work, looking forward to this.
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Somebody earlier asked to see the old and new side by side. well, here you go:
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/wiki/images/2/24/MosquitoFBVI_AHII_2.12.4.jpg)(http://www.hitechcreations.com/news/images/mossie/mossie5.jpg)
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*drools*
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YES THANK YOU!!!
Finally!!
The most beautiful plane of WW2 gets the honors it deserves...
Tex
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One thing that I notice in the screen shots is that each external shot shows different configuration. Coupled with Pyro's comment about following pretty much the same reasoning as Scherf had I think we'll see a little more variety in performance options for the Mossie. Right now the Mossie is essentially either clean or has the rocket rails; the bombs and drop tanks don't leave anything behind to slow it down after they are dropped. In screen shot #1 we see the old, familiar rocket rails which incur a speed penalty even after the weapons have been fired. However shots #4 and #5 show a difference from what we have, there are bomb shackles in shot #4 (and presumably in shot #3 for the drop tanks) but the wings are clean in shot #5. On page 57 of Mosquito by C. Martin Sharp and Michael J. F. Bowyer (I am pretty sure HTC has a copy of this book) it states that wing bomb carriers cost 5mph, or 9mph with bombs attached. Based on the screen shots I expect the carriers to now incur that speed penalty. So if I am right and you up a Mosquito for fighter duty and you want full performance, don't load any external stores.
If that proves to be true it will be a nice bit of attention to detail.
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So if I am right and you up a Mosquito for fighter duty and you want full performance, don't load any external stores.
Good thing it has the bomb bay then: 2 bombs, no extra drag.
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One thing that I notice in the screen shots is that each external shot shows different configuration. Coupled with Pyro's comment about following pretty much the same reasoning as Scherf had I think we'll see a little more variety in performance options for the Mossie. Right now the Mossie is essentially either clean or has the rocket rails; the bombs and drop tanks don't leave anything behind to slow it down after they are dropped. In screen shot #1 we see the old, familiar rocket rails which incur a speed penalty even after the weapons have been fired. However shots #4 and #5 show a difference from what we have, there are bomb shackles in shot #4 (and presumably in shot #3 for the drop tanks) but the wings are clean in shot #5. On page 57 of Mosquito by C. Martin Sharp and Michael J. F. Bowyer (I am pretty sure HTC has a copy of this book) it states that wing bomb carriers cost 5mph, or 9mph with bombs attached. Based on the screen shots I expect the carriers to now incur that speed penalty. So if I am right and you up a Mosquito for fighter duty and you want full performance, don't load any external stores.
If that proves to be true it will be a nice bit of attention to detail.
well thought out sir
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We will hopefully not lose this in the good ole "subject to change" stuff......... :uhoh
<S> Karnak <S> Great attention to detail yourself!
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Sweet! i'm going to have lots of fun when i have the opporunity to fly. :)
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Sweet! i'm going to have lots of fun when i have the opporunity to fly. :)
How goes, thrila? What news of Her Majesty's fleet?
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I wonder if the Mossie will be unleashed on us before my replacement video card gets here? Should be getting the card about Wednesday the 12th.
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I wonder if the Mossie will be unleashed on us before my replacement video card gets here? Should be getting the card about Wednesday the 12th.
Your card will get here first. :aok
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should put a wish in teh wishlist for a ETA on big updates and stuff lol :rolleyes:
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why not the beufighter like guppy asked? look forward to tango ing sir.
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How goes, thrila? What news of Her Majesty's fleet?
Hi scherf, it's going well thanks. I'm heading up to yeovilton for flight grading soon, to see if have what it takes to continue training, so fingers crossed.
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Good luck, thrila.
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Yeah mate, good luck.
I think there's an FAA museum in Yeovilton too? Can remember going there "when oi were a lad, arrrrr."
Anyway, good luck again.
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good luck mate, and have fun
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On another thought, Pyro had stated that the mossie is being completely redone. Are we going to see a change in how the mossie can fight low and slow? I realize the plane isnt designed for it, but would it be more capable? And what about the center of gravity? Will the mossie have more gentler stall characteristics?
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On another thought, Pyro had stated that the mossie is being completely redone. Are we going to see a change in how the mossie can fight low and slow? I realize the plane isnt designed for it, but would it be more capable? And what about the center of gravity? Will the mossie have more gentler stall characteristics?
Maybe just maybe... :x
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On another thought, Pyro had stated that the mossie is being completely redone. Are we going to see a change in how the mossie can fight low and slow? I realize the plane isnt designed for it, but would it be more capable? And what about the center of gravity? Will the mossie have more gentler stall characteristics?
We won't know until we get our hands on it. I imagine several of us will be putting it through its paces as though it were a new aircraft when it is released. We should have date soon after release.
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Will the pilot move around like they do in the WWI aircraft?
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On another thought, Pyro had stated that the mossie is being completely redone. Are we going to see a change in how the mossie can fight low and slow? I realize the plane isnt designed for it, but would it be more capable? And what about the center of gravity? Will the mossie have more gentler stall characteristics?
I hope not! The flight model is just fine for me. All I am looking forward to is more speed and better graphics. As Karnak says a few of us will certainly be submitting reviews once it is released :joystick: