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Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: juzz on December 13, 1999, 12:17:00 PM: All testing was done with planes loaded with 100% fuel, using 100% power and climbspeed 160mph. I used the cockpit clock for timekeeping(.time 12 00 60)

Plane(guns) = time
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Bf109G-10(2x13mm,20mm) = 5'40" (4'50")*(3'57")## <-yikes!
La-5FN = 6'10"
Spitfire MkIX(2x20m,2x.50) = 6'30" (5'45")*
C.205(2x12.7mm,2x20mm) = 7'25"
N1K2-J = 7'30"
P-51D = 8'10" (6'55")**(6'05")#
FW190A-8(2x13mm,4x20mm) = 8'45"
F4U-1D = 9'00" (8'05")**
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* time with 100% fuel and WEP power
** time with 50% fuel and 100% power
# time with 25% fuel and WEP power
## time with no guns, 25% fuel and WEP power - for fun!

[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 12-14-1999).]
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: gatt on December 13, 1999, 12:40:00 PM: Juzz, are you sure the *magic* clock was right during the MkIX test. I cant believe it takes 6'30" to get to angel twenty. Is the time 6'30" or 5'30"? (I cant read well)
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: gatt on December 13, 1999, 12:41:00 PM: now it seems I'm pretty blind, damned post editing ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: juzz on December 13, 1999, 12:56:00 PM: I have a book says 5.7 minutes(5'42") for Spitfire MkIX. The 5 minute generic WEP is causing the problems in performing climb tests. I don't know what they did in real life to get the figures I read in books, but the common explaination is "100% fuel, 100% throttle" - I suspect that only really works for American planes, although the Mustang is an exception in this case it seems. I suspect a WEP climb with 100% fuel would give the time of 7.3 minutes(7'18") I have seen for it. Except there's that 5 minute WEP limit (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)

hehe edit (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: Minotaur on December 13, 1999, 01:24:00 PM: juzz;

I am not sure WEP is comepletely modeled yet.

If you run out of WEP just hit WEP again and it comes back.

Mino
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: Fishu on December 13, 1999, 02:02:00 PM: Minotaur: If you hit wep again, it turns off again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It seems to be so that you keep wep on for 5 seconds, then it cools down on 10 seconds..
So if you let it cool for 10 seconds, it gives you 5 second boost.
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: Duckwing6 on December 14, 1999, 04:38:00 AM: Ughh.. 9 minutes for the HOG (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I admitt it got heaps of ammo and lots of fuel... but this ..
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: juzz on December 14, 1999, 05:43:00 AM: I don't know why some people seem to think the Hog could climb well. Climbing better than the F6F and P-47 doesn't mean it's good. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: Duckwing6 on December 14, 1999, 08:53:00 AM: maybe because i have the AW Hog ENGRAVED into my brain (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: CombatWombat on December 14, 1999, 06:24:00 PM: Mainly because the Hog was a decent climber. Nothing great, but above par none the less. The F6F was a damn fine climber too from the figures I've seen (they range anywhere from 3,100 - 4,400 fpm) So climbing better than the hellcat is great in it's own right.

Of course I too have the AW corsair ENGRAVED in my head = (
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: juzz on December 14, 1999, 09:17:00 PM: (choke, cough) 4,400fpm?! That's BF109K-4(4,800+) and Spitfire MkXIV(4,500) territory - no way man! No way!

I think the F4U was certainly an above par climber... for a US carrier fighter. But compared to land-based, non-US fighters it ain't so hot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: funked on December 15, 1999, 02:42:00 AM: Thanks for the effort, but due to the PORKED fuel flow rates (and resultant weight changes in flight), the 20k climb times aren't worth a damn. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: juzz on December 15, 1999, 06:49:00 AM: Bzzzt! No prize for you funked! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Offline flight is sans multiplier. If the multiplier was on, then how come none of my results are faster than the performance figures? Hmmm, I wonder how fast a 25% fuel, WEPping Bf109G-10 with no guns can go up in the arena...

[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 12-15-1999).]
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: CombatWombat on December 15, 1999, 03:08:00 PM: >(choke, cough) 4,400fpm?! That's BF109K-4(4,800+) and Spitfire MkXIV(4,500) territory - no way man! No way!

I never said it was right! I just said I've read figures like that. Personally I hate people who refer ONLY to data, as some data is abnormally twisted and mangled. Strangly, that's the data most people seem to prefer too....
Case in point: a spit thread i started in which people plained the spit didnt climb well enough because they saw 0-20k figures of around 3:30. Go figure....
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: juzz on December 15, 1999, 03:31:00 PM: I never said I thought you said it was right - I was just pointing out my disbelief of such a high figure, as it is comparible with the figures for the best climbing prop fighters of WW2.
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: funked on December 17, 1999, 02:29:00 AM: Woohoo go Juzz!
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: juzz on December 17, 1999, 05:13:00 AM: ?
Title: Climb to 20,000ft on the AH clock ;)
Post by: funked on December 18, 1999, 10:25:00 AM: Good job man!