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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ReDeViL2 on April 29, 2010, 03:39:06 PM
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Well, as if divebombing Lancastukas was bad enough, today I witnesses what may have taken the cake, lol. While attempting a capture (not gonna name country), I witnessed certain individuals come off the runway, strafe a GV or troops in town, then bail immediately upon clearing town. This also happened as soon as you put a few shots into them. Now, obviously they pay their dues to fly like, well, that...but cmon, has it gotten that bad where guys wont even put up a fight? Just struck me as odd and more than myself was witness to this crap. Oh, and new Rock-N-Roll Squadron Wing...Bail Wing...they get close to an NME and bail to watch the battle below. Anyone want the CO position? :lol
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Sometimes after clearing a town of GVs and there is another wave coming, it's quicker just to auger or bail out and get a new plane instead flying back and rearming.
The majority of my deaths in fighters is because I usually auger after the fight is over because I don't want to spend the time flying all the way back to my base and landing. It's far quicker just to auger and get a brand new shiny plane.
ack-ack
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At least they're defending and not taking the path to least resistance. That's commendable.
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Bail if you want. I do it to get back into the action quicker...
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It's nothing new. See it all the time. Up bombers to carpet bomb IB vehicles at the spawn. They either get shot down or auger so they can up another formation to carpet bomb again.
Not very sporting, but this game is all about taking and protecting territory and winning teh warz, not about fighting.
Oh yeah, I bail all the time from a plane if I see action elsewhere on the map.
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"Sometimes after clearing a town of GVs and there is another wave coming, it's quicker just to auger or bail out and get a new plane instead flying back and rearming."
Fair point, particularly in the situation you describe - but some of the best flights I've enjoyed have been dodging the flak 'n' fighters while flogging my damaged ride home to 'live to fight another day'. All part of the rich AH tapestry, methinks.
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I've been playing the game for about a year and half and have been on the forums for roughly a year. I've been reading posts like this the whole time. Not always about this particular issue but this and that. I'm not trying to criticize the OP but I question how much game play has really deteriorated.
It doesn't make sense to me on a macro level how game style could shift so much with only relatively minor changes to the style of game. Sure I've seen divebombing lancs, but relatively speaking I see them very rarely. I suspect these "questionable" tactics have been used for a long long time and people notice them more or just end up experiencing them more or just grow more critical of other people's style.
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Sometimes after clearing a town of GVs and there is another wave coming, it's quicker just to auger or bail out and get a new plane instead flying back and rearming.
The majority of my deaths in fighters is because I usually auger after the fight is over because I don't want to spend the time flying all the way back to my base and landing. It's far quicker just to auger and get a brand new shiny plane.
ack-ack
ahh if you spent less time on the BBs.... you would have even more deaths!
back on topic: yes that is dweeb reddevil, I call for help and rearm instead of bailing out or crash. It is a challenge to try to land-rearm-take off again in as less time as possible too! Sort of a F1 pit-stop!
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maybe they bail to get in the maproom :aok sometimes the HOARD will neglect the maproom only to have the entire HOARD effort PWND by a .45 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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ahh if you spent less time on the BBs.... you would have even more deaths!
back on topic: yes that is dweeb reddevil, I call for help and rearm instead of bailing out or crash. It is a challenge to try to land-rearm-take off again in as less time as possible too! Sort of a F1 pit-stop!
i do it too sometimes chew and i usually rtb...
maybe they bail to get in the maproom :aok sometimes the HORDE will neglect the maproom only to have the entire HORDE effort PWND by a .45 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
fixed :aok
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I've been playing the game for about a year and half and have been on the forums for roughly a year. I've been reading posts like this the whole time. Not always about this particular issue but this and that. I'm not trying to criticize the OP but I question how much game play has really deteriorated.
It doesn't make sense to me on a macro level how game style could shift so much with only relatively minor changes to the style of game. Sure I've seen divebombing lancs, but relatively speaking I see them very rarely. I suspect these "questionable" tactics have been used for a long long time and people notice them more or just end up experiencing them more or just grow more critical of other people's style.
10 years ago when I started it was far different. There were less people then, less bombers available, less GVs, and almost as many fighters :P
The game was geared toward fighter combat more than anything else. There were base captures but squads went head to head to fight over them, and they changed hands back and forth all night. They reset the map on Tuesdays because most of the time nobody won the war all week but it was nice to see a different map each week.
Today its too much about winning the war, or capturing as many bases as you can on your "shift", or work your score. Fighting really gets in the way of those things.
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10 years ago when I started it was far different. There were less people then, less bombers available, less GVs, and almost as many fighters :P
The game was geared toward fighter combat more than anything else. There were base captures but squads went head to head to fight over them, and they changed hands back and forth all night. They reset the map on Tuesdays because most of the time nobody won the war all week but it was nice to see a different map each week.
Today its too much about winning the war, or capturing as many bases as you can on your "shift", or work your score. Fighting really gets in the way of those things.
you can have fun pulling a fighter run without working your score and still happily go home with 5-10 kills :aok this is actually where i find my most fun with or without my squad
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I appreciate the feedback guys. While I understand the whole "try to get back up as quick as possible to get the next wave." Like a few of the guys said, just shows that some guys would rather just get easy kills by carpet bombing a spawn or town from 2k or running to the map room with his little .45 rather than try to fight it out as long as they can to see if they can stay up with 1 plane/GV. I have also on occasion bailed a set of Buffs after a run (usually because my planes were FUBAR and impossible to get back...but when I re-up I will make my best effort to stay up. I pride myself and my Squad on making it home every flight, kills or not, but like I said, if ya want to do that then hey. Again, thanks for the feedback. :salute
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What Fugitive said. :aok
No big deal to me. If somebody wants to play like that, it's their 15 bucks.
It's always nice to win a few battles in a fair fight. A fair fight (if there is such a thing lately), is even sides, with gvs rolling in on the town and groups of fighters and jabo support to protect the ground battle. Those are the good fights that we always hope for, but succumb to the horde, eventually.
That's why many of us keep coming back. Looking for the "good fights".
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The lowest thing I see in the mains is hordes rolling bases on one side of the map, then going to the other side, and continually switching back and forth. It's impossible to put up a defense. They roll your base the first time, you wait for a bit for the next giant red blob and you realize it's on the other side of the map, so you shrug it off, go do something else, and next thing you know half an hour later, the blob is back steam rolling your base. You scramble to land and take off to fight it and it's too late by the time you get there. Cycle continues. Pathetic.
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I appreciate the feedback guys. While I understand the whole "try to get back up as quick as possible to get the next wave." Like a few of the guys said, just shows that some guys would rather just get easy kills by carpet bombing a spawn or town from 2k or running to the map room with his little .45 rather than try to fight it out as long as they can to see if they can stay up with 1 plane/GV. I have also on occasion bailed a set of Buffs after a run (usually because my planes were FUBAR and impossible to get back...but when I re-up I will make my best effort to stay up. I pride myself and my Squad on making it home every flight, kills or not, but like I said, if ya want to do that then hey. Again, thanks for the feedback. :salute
Really? You don't see the humor in the .45? when the HOARD is at full erection the upping and being vulched, time and again is slightly tempered by barely getting to the maproom, of which you most likely had to fight your way all the way there, popping up to 800' bailing at the last moment usually from a riddled ride deploy the chute at the minimum alt, get to maproom and wait. If they do not strafe then the entire gaggle of hoardrool "which sounds like you were part of" is utterly defeated and the hangars are popping by this time, so I find it rather fulfilling and extremely comical and utterly ironic :aok :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :bolt:
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I have to say what is lame is the fact the other night I was in a spit 8 and found a 190 (not naming pilot) that had about 3k alt + E on me. I am thinking ok this is gonna be a good 1vs1 being neither of us had countryman anywheres around. Well he ended up diving on me and missed, which is cool I figured he would go back up and try again. Well after the first dive he proceeded to run. I chased him for about a half a sector. Well, realizing this guy didn't want a 1vs1. I got on channel 200 (I know I know) and starting talking crap to him to see if he would turn. Well, eventually he turned made a pass missed and proceeded to run. So I got on 200 again and repeated my talking. He turned back, but this time I was able to predict his route and cut him off. I ended up shooting him down. I think he logged after that. My point is I don't' mind being bnz'ed to much yes it sucks but at least they are fighting. I can't understand why ppl will run from a 1vs1 especially when they have all the advantages. I do understand the tactic of extending out and resetting the fight especially when ur in a plane which that is the best tactic, but it was clear that this guy did not want a 1vs1.
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I have to say what is lame is the fact the other night I was in a spit 8 and found a 190 (not naming pilot) that had about 3k alt + E on me. I am thinking ok this is gonna be a good 1vs1 being neither of us had countryman anywheres around. Well he ended up diving on me and missed, which is cool I figured he would go back up and try again. Well after the first dive he proceeded to run. I chased him for about a half a sector. Well, realizing this guy didn't want a 1vs1. I got on channel 200 (I know I know) and starting talking crap to him to see if he would turn. Well, eventually he turned made a pass missed and proceeded to run. So I got on 200 again and repeated my talking. He turned back, but this time I was able to predict his route and cut him off. I ended up shooting him down. I think he logged after that. My point is I don't' mind being bnz'ed to much yes it sucks but at least they are fighting. I can't understand why ppl will run from a 1vs1 especially when they have all the advantages. I do understand the tactic of extending out and resetting the fight especially when ur in a plane which that is the best tactic, but it was clear that this guy did not want a 1vs1.
What's even funnier is that last night in the MW arena, the OP of this thread was talking smack to a P-51B driver that wouldn't fight him, calling him timid and such. Funny thing is, the reason why the Pony driver wasn't fighting is that the OP had two wingmen flying with him. Which makes this thread highly amusing and ironic, considiring who started this thread and the subject of bad game play.
ack-ack
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Someone moaning about getting free kills?
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10 years ago when I started it was far different. There were less people then, less bombers available, less GVs, and almost as many fighters :P
The game was geared toward fighter combat more than anything else. There were base captures but squads went head to head to fight over them, and they changed hands back and forth all night. They reset the map on Tuesdays because most of the time nobody won the war all week but it was nice to see a different map each week.
Today its too much about winning the war, or capturing as many bases as you can on your "shift", or work your score. Fighting really gets in the way of those things.
That makes sense, I can see that there may have been a change over the last decade. But over the last two years, I don't think much has changed.
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sometimes i bail out over town so i can hide in the map room an kill with my .45 i like to look my computerized enemys in the eyes when i kill
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yea shreck that what happend they vulched us i dont no how many time so when me and a squadie made it to town we bailed and waited fro troops in the time we are waiting he feels the need to talk crap for us bailing must of made him made we wasent there to vulch anymore :airplane:
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Sometimes after clearing a town of GVs and there is another wave coming, it's quicker just to auger or bail out and get a new plane instead flying back and rearming.
The majority of my deaths in fighters is because I usually auger after the fight is over because I don't want to spend the time flying all the way back to my base and landing. It's far quicker just to auger and get a brand new shiny plane.
ack-ack
:aok
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The lowest thing I see in the mains is hordes rolling bases on one side of the map, then going to the other side, and continually switching back and forth. It's impossible to put up a defense. They roll your base the first time, you wait for a bit for the next giant red blob and you realize it's on the other side of the map, so you shrug it off, go do something else, and next thing you know half an hour later, the blob is back steam rolling your base. You scramble to land and take off to fight it and it's too late by the time you get there. Cycle continues. Pathetic.
:aok
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If the game architecture permits it then (Murphys law says) it will happen.... ranting here makes little difference.
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10 years ago when I started it was far different. There were less people then, less bombers available, less GVs, and almost as many fighters :P
The game was geared toward fighter combat more than anything else. There were base captures but squads went head to head to fight over them, and they changed hands back and forth all night. They reset the map on Tuesdays because most of the time nobody won the war all week but it was nice to see a different map each week.
Today its too much about winning the war, or capturing as many bases as you can on your "shift", or work your score. Fighting really gets in the way of those things.
Ah you know your complaint thread has made it when The Fugitive has weighed in with his "the game was better 10 years ago" comments.
This thread has received The Fugitive seal of approval.
Carry on
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If the game architecture permits it then (Murphys law says) it will happen.... ranting here makes little difference.
Very true. Yet people still rant and hope it proves to change something. :rolleyes:
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sometimes i bail out over town so i can hide in the map room an kill with my .45 i like to look my computerized enemys in the eyes when i kill
Me too. Saved many a base with this tactic, except when 3 loads of troops show up and the .45 only has 15 rounds. :neener:
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Ive played a lot of on-line games and since they are 'games' there are allways people who will 'game the game" wether its right or wronge, fun or not , fair or not or lame or not they will allways do it and others wont its just something most on-line gamers have to learn to live with. Those that 'bomb and bail' probably say the same of us that bomb and spend 35 minutes rtb lol. I personally don't like it but what can ya do.
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What's even funnier is that last night in the MW arena, the OP of this thread was talking smack to a P-51B driver that wouldn't fight him, calling him timid and such. Funny thing is, the reason why the Pony driver wasn't fighting is that the OP had two wingmen flying with him. Which makes this thread highly amusing and ironic, considiring who started this thread and the subject of bad game play.
ack-ack
:rofl
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What's even funnier is that last night in the MW arena, the OP of this thread was talking smack to a P-51B driver that wouldn't fight him, calling him timid and such. Funny thing is, the reason why the Pony driver wasn't fighting is that the OP had two wingmen flying with him. Which makes this thread highly amusing and ironic, considiring who started this thread and the subject of bad game play.
ack-ack
Ummm, he ran from me when I was only one on him, you just love talkin trash dont ya? Asked other 2 guys to stay clear and they obliged, gaining alt to proceed to your 20k teamates.
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Really? You don't see the humor in the .45? when the HOARD is at full erection the upping and being vulched, time and again is slightly tempered by barely getting to the maproom, of which you most likely had to fight your way all the way there, popping up to 800' bailing at the last moment usually from a riddled ride deploy the chute at the minimum alt, get to maproom and wait. If they do not strafe then the entire gaggle of hoardrool "which sounds like you were part of" is utterly defeated and the hangars are popping by this time, so I find it rather fulfilling and extremely comical and utterly ironic :aok :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :bolt:
This is probably the same guy who said Bish were Hording said Base and the Numbers were, 11 Bish, 9 Nits, 8 Rook.
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Ummm, he ran from me when I was only one on him, you just love talkin trash dont ya? Asked other 2 guys to stay clear and they obliged, gaining alt to proceed to your 20k teamates.
you were not the only one, even by your own admission at the time you stated there were two other Bishops with you. How was the Rook in the P51B to know that you supposedly asked the two other Bishops to stay out and what were the chances that they would actually stay out of the fight? The P-51B driver did the smart thing in not getting himself in a potential 3v1 fight that he knew he had no chance of coming out of.
ack-ack
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The lowest thing I see in the mains is hordes rolling bases on one side of the map, then going to the other side, and continually switching back and forth. It's impossible to put up a defense. They roll your base the first time, you wait for a bit for the next giant red blob and you realize it's on the other side of the map, so you shrug it off, go do something else, and next thing you know half an hour later, the blob is back steam rolling your base. You scramble to land and take off to fight it and it's too late by the time you get there. Cycle continues. Pathetic.
ah yes, the eb and flow in the circle of the lifeless.
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you were not the only one, even by your own admission at the time you stated there were two other Bishops with you. How was the Rook in the P51B to know that you supposedly asked the two other Bishops to stay out and what were the chances that they would actually stay out of the fight? The P-51B driver did the smart thing in not getting himself in a potential 3v1 fight that he knew he had no chance of coming out of.
ack-ack
That is true as he prob couldnt tell they were climbing out to avoid the fight per my request. I did light him up though so I guess Id run even 1v1 due to possible damage.
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quote author= aLl thehH dEMiGod pYloTz
zomg, I must be in the presence of greatness.... my favorite "dont feel like flying, lets check on the forums" activity is reading how "UbErZ" everyone is.
~Airborne
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What this game really needs is a way to uncamp spawns. I'm thinking M-10 with a fast-rotating turret.
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this type of thread plays out over n over again.....
folks tellin other folks how to play the game on there 15 bucks.
i must say it never gets old recording the whines :banana:
froger
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this type of thread plays out over n over again.....
folks tellin other folks how to play the game on there 15 bucks.
i must say it never gets old recording the whines :banana:
froger
ribbit
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If the new low wasn't performed by Chewi then it isn't dweeby enough to be mentioned.
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Well, as if divebombing Lancastukas was bad enough, today I witnesses what may have taken the cake, lol. While attempting a capture (not gonna name country), I witnessed certain individuals come off the runway, strafe a GV or troops in town, then bail immediately upon clearing town. This also happened as soon as you put a few shots into them. Now, obviously they pay their dues to fly like, well, that...but cmon, has it gotten that bad where guys wont even put up a fight? Just struck me as odd and more than myself was witness to this crap. Oh, and new Rock-N-Roll Squadron Wing...Bail Wing...they get close to an NME and bail to watch the battle below. Anyone want the CO position? :lol
I've got a lot more respect for the guy who makes it off the runway without being vulched and can get to town to strafe GV's and troops then bails than I do for the 20+ hordlings vulching and rolling bases with only a couple of guys defending. :old:
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OK here is a summary of what has been said so far...............WAAAAAAAAAA AA HE WON'T FIGHT MY WAY
:old: :old: :old: I been flying these things since cira 1985 and it has been ever thus and will ever be as long as this type of game exists :bolt:
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OK here is a summary of what has been said so far...............WAAAAAAAAAA AA HE WON'T FIGHT MY WAY
:old: :old: :old: I been flying these things since cira 1985 and it has been ever thus and will ever be as long as this type of game exists :bolt:
I don't care it they don't fight "my way" I just want them to put up a fight and fight it out!