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Title: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: ACE on April 29, 2010, 08:23:55 PM
Start the video at 9:10 and watch me clearly hit the niki and half the tail fly off then somehow it goes straight vertical?


http://www.mediafire.com/?zdmzzy5uqot
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: TnDep on April 29, 2010, 08:37:32 PM
Start the video at 9:10 and watch me clearly hit the niki and half the tail fly off then somehow it goes straight vertical?


http://www.mediafire.com/?zdmzzy5uqot

ya I used pan and his whole left horizontal stab is gone right one is still there
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: 1carbine on April 29, 2010, 10:50:24 PM
Can't see the video didn't work but I hope they didn't ruin the 30MM  :frown:
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: Plazus on April 29, 2010, 11:08:41 PM
Kinda curious as to how effective the 30mm will be against the new mossie that is being remodeled. Wasnt the mossie historically known for its ability to remain structurally intact after repeated shots by 30mms?
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: warhed on April 29, 2010, 11:56:47 PM
It seems to me, in my personal experience, now that we can destroy the left or right horizontal stabilizer, tater hits to the tail section are less deadly than before the change.  Hits in the tail section seem to result more often in simply destroying a single stabilizer, rather than removing the entire tail.  Could just be me though.
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: grizz441 on April 30, 2010, 12:43:20 AM
It seems to me, in my personal experience, now that we can destroy the left or right horizontal stabilizer, tater hits to the tail section are less deadly than before the change.  Hits in the tail section seem to result more often in simply destroying a single stabilizer, rather than removing the entire tail.  Could just be me though.

Same.
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: kilo2 on April 30, 2010, 12:59:11 AM
Notice that on crossing shots it seems to happen more often.
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: WMLute on April 30, 2010, 02:06:53 AM
It seems to me, in my personal experience, now that we can destroy the left or right horizontal stabilizer, tater hits to the tail section are less deadly than before the change.  Hits in the tail section seem to result more often in simply destroying a single stabilizer, rather than removing the entire tail.  Could just be me though.

Which ticks me off because I spent the past 8 years perfecting my "tail shots" which pretty much don't do squat now.

Gota relearn my aim point now and start shooting at wing roots I guess.
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: warhed on April 30, 2010, 03:07:40 AM
Same.

Oh God, this means Schlowy's been right all along, hitech DOES hate German Iron!!!    :D
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: LLogann on April 30, 2010, 04:47:55 AM
semp took some shots to my left stab last night, 109G6, and didn't realize it was gone until I looked at the DR.  I was thinking just because of the size of the stabs on the 109 it didn't affect the flying but who knows for sure.......  She flew with no issues all the way home.
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: ACE on April 30, 2010, 07:01:46 AM
But, what I don't understand is how the niki went straight vertical like it didn't really have a tail?
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: vent on April 30, 2010, 11:51:42 AM
It has been happening more and more to me where a 30mm shot does not kill an enemy fighter. Bombers...forget about it. It seems to take all 65 rounds of the cannon to kill a formation of heavy bombers.
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: JB11 on April 30, 2010, 12:03:03 PM
Which ticks me off because I spent the past 8 years perfecting my "tail shots" which pretty much don't do squat now.

Gota relearn my aim point now and start shooting at wing roots I guess.
Lol! You show WAY too much mercy.  Why would you not aim for the melon behind the glass?  :devil

 :salute 11

Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: Zoney on April 30, 2010, 12:03:52 PM
I have noticed the same.  I think it is more difficult to get a kill.  I think it is more realistic.  I do not think that one tater would take off both sides of the tail.
I'm also adjusting my gunnery a bit (thanks to Grizz for that 99/262 sortie film, <S>) and have seen significant improvement.

I think it is more fun.
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: Scotch on April 30, 2010, 03:36:26 PM
I've been out of the game for a while now. Is it still this type of issue, or more because the damage is focusing on one part of the tail now?

 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,258664.0.html
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: grizz441 on April 30, 2010, 03:51:57 PM
I've been out of the game for a while now. Is it still this type of issue, or more because the damage is focusing on one part of the tail now?

 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,258664.0.html

No, when you tater the horizontal stabilizer now, it only destroys one section of the stabilizer.  I don't have a problem with it, but I do question the handling ability of an aircraft flying with only half a stabilizer.  So far from my experience, missing half your horizontal stabilizer doesn't have much impact on flight performance at all.  Any aviation buffs out there, is this to be expected?  Such a low impact on performance degradation despite missing a section of your tail?
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: ACE on April 30, 2010, 04:53:44 PM
No, when you tater the horizontal stabilizer now, it only destroys one section of the stabilizer.  I don't have a problem with it, but I do question the handling ability of an aircraft flying with only half a stabilizer. SO far from my experience, missing half your horizontal stabilizer doesn't have much impact on flight performance at all. Any aviation buffs out there, is this to be expected? Such a low impact on performance degradation despite missing a section of your tail?
Same, I fly well without a full stabilizer.
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: Die Hard on April 30, 2010, 05:06:57 PM
It has been happening more and more to me where a 30mm shot does not kill an enemy fighter. Bombers...forget about it. It seems to take all 65 rounds of the cannon to kill a formation of heavy bombers.

Then all is as it should be. The Germans figured it took 5 rounds of 30mm in a concentrated spot to bring down a four engined bomber. More realistically it would take 10 - 15 rounds fired to get those 5 rounds in one concentrated area if you're a good shot. In real life the pilots could on average only maintain a 10% hit ratio, so it would normally take a 109's full clip of 30mm to down one bomber, and even then it might just fly away with heavy damage.
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: ACE on April 30, 2010, 06:04:44 PM
I just got out of the Da, and i noticed me only taking off half a stab on other planes than the niki.  This is getting annoying lol.
Title: Re: 30mm fail with new damage model ?
Post by: Soulyss on April 30, 2010, 06:17:21 PM
No, when you tater the horizontal stabilizer now, it only destroys one section of the stabilizer.  I don't have a problem with it, but I do question the handling ability of an aircraft flying with only half a stabilizer.  So far from my experience, missing half your horizontal stabilizer doesn't have much impact on flight performance at all.  Any aviation buffs out there, is this to be expected?  Such a low impact on performance degradation despite missing a section of your tail?

It seems to me that the planes are flying really well without the stab, like it's not accounting for the missing elevator correctly.  I've been waiting to catch it on film to watch and send in.