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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: janneh on December 20, 1999, 10:18:00 AM
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Yes please. But only on the planes that had them.
Cheers
Bradburger
[This message has been edited by Bradburger (edited 12-20-1999).]
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For all of us that are flying non allied iron this would bring a lot more realism in.
Bring metric instruments for Japanese, German, Italian, Russian and Finnish aircrafts pls.
Werewo
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Metric for LW, please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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That would be nice for the Lavochkin too.
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129 IAP VVS RKKA
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werewolf - realism? With 17s being escorted by 109s? Fighting off attacks by Ponies, Spits and La5s? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
C'mon, who needs this metric stuff anyways? It's very confusing when you change an aircraft you know (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
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-lynx-
13 Sqn RAF
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Lynx, I am not living in a world of feet, mp/h, knots and so on. My world is defined in the metric system. The original planes had metric gauges and so I would like to see them with.
Werewo
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same here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Just wondering - anyone with a pilots licence from continental Europe out there? You reading alt in meters? I'll have to kill my flight instructor next time I see him (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW - whether you measure your world in feet or megaparseks is irrelevant in this case. All you use is the relative measures appropriate for the activity you're engaged in: if you're flying a plane and the landing speed is quoted as being (say) 120 knots it's that figure you need to see on your airspeed indicator before touchdown. Who cares that 120 knots equal 138mph or 222kph? 120 is a safe landing speed and it's all you need to know.
It's like twist handle sticks - if you're not planning on doing some real flying it's the best thing you can get. But if you are - you'd better spend some money on pedals (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Most of the RL flying is done in feet/kts - so I never bothered learning meters/kph. Plus, 3,000 feet sounds way higher than a lousy 1 kilometer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(I actually agree with the realism bit - it's that since I'm flying La5 it's going to be a pain (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
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-lynx-
13 Sqn RAF
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Not much of a metric fan myself but for realism sake I don't mind if those planes that had metric instruments have them in AH.
I suppose to satisfy all you could have an option like Warbirds as to which unit of measurement your altimeter uses.
Cheers
Bradburger
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Hmmmm, a measuring system that is divisible by 10 or one based on some Italian dude with very big sandals?
Gotta give us Luftwobbles metric gauges and put that boost gauge in atmospheres.
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Lynx: No sweat, european pilots read their speed in kts and alt in ft too, mainly because they're flying US spamcans though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
If I remember correctly this is also ICAO standartized.
At least we don't have this inches /mercury stuff...
Sailplane and Ultralight pilots over here have mostly metric gauges.
my all time fave funny US unit is "furlong"
that's a real trivia question for us metric guys (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
BTW:Am I totally wrong here or are the speed gauges in AH in statute miles ?? were allied planes equipped like that?
Merry X-mas everyone
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Lynx: You have to see this topic from the side of europeans and others who uses metric system (lets forget brits...)
Also, you can't get rid of the truth that many european countries used metric system in their fighters and bombers during WW2.
You can always have a ride in your runstang.. ehh.. sorry, mustang, no metric system to worry (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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My KitFox MkV has feets and mph .... uhmmmm ... do I have a beta one? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Why is this a question at all ? Of course every 109 has to have metric system cockpit instruments. AH model should represent the historical plane. If you want non-metric system in your 109, you commit blasphemy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
There are things with higher priority, but sooner or later we have to get rid of the US 109s.
And maybe someday we get the historical cockpits too, the way how they really were. And ammo counters,flap indicators or VSI as well.
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Hehe Hristo, not to forget that the should only be ammo counters where they have been.
Werewo
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heheh gliders in Europe are all metric (speed in KM/H, climb in m/sec alt in m), there are a LOT of PIPERS here that have Mph for the speed and most of the rest uses Knots (only the french stuff has km/h in it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Anyone of you ever seen a manifold pressure gauge that uses dBar (1/10 Bar?) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) now go folks and conver that to inHG hehehe
DW6
-> Austria - Airfield Trieben - LOGI
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Mustang? Who said anything about Mustangs? I've never even been into one, other than off-line. Both of us Brits *g* in 13th RAF - me and my evil twin pbicb - fly real man's plane - La-5 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
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-lynx-/pbicb
13 Sqn RAF
[This message has been edited by -lynx- (edited 12-22-1999).]
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LOL gatt,
When I wrote:"Sailplane and Ultralight pilots over here have *mostly* metric gauges." I had my friends MK IV in mind. It sports a MpH gauge too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Never heard of a MK V mabe you really have a beta (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
are you EAA-member ?
Werewo: these guys in their 51s and f4u's don't need a ammo counter anyway they have more firing time than a 205 has fuel on WEP (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif)
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Eazydweeb,
I got my UL license in Italy with a MkIII and then I bought a modified red MkIV with longer fuselage and bigger *elliptical* rudder-elevator. She was a beauty. A real beta MkV KitFox (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but very stable in flight and easier to take off with.
When you know how to take off and land in a MkIII your a real taildragger (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Her climbrate was about 1,200ft/min, like our C.205 .... couldnt resist again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Putting in metric gauges is so easy that it's not worth arguing over! I'm guessing HTC will wait for the final revisions of the cockpit graphics before doing so.
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Arguing? Who's arguing? Just squeaking cuz I'm at work and it's that daft time of the year again when I don't want to do anything (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
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-lynx-
13 Sqn RAF
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as long as itīs a beta i prefer to have no metric gauges. Itīs much easier without metric gauges to compare the performances of the planes
niklas
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Speaking of metric/imperial did you here about the NASA probe a month or two ago that crashed into mars because the scientists had there metric and imperial numbers mixed up. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Regarding what somebody said above...
With WarBirds and the option to choose whichever displays you want:
It doesn't work. I always set mine to Feet/MPH, etc.. (Yup, I'm a Yank), but it always shows up on default. I'll tell ya, my first landing in a 190 really sucked!! :P Thought I was looking at mph, and lo and behold! It was kph! (kinda throws you off when you think you're coming in way too fast, make a 200 MPH landing soft as a feather (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
The opposite is true also, I kept stalling well above flight operations speeds. Took me a while to really squint and look at the dang gague.
My point? Oh, yes, I knew there was a reason to this post! My point is: If you install the option to choose whatever displays you want (which would NOT affect reality, it would just save some of us delays in calculating the difference), make sure it works right... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-Freelancer
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Does this mean that the Japanese planes will use Kanji or Kana characters? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If so, I think we all are gonna need Mitsu to help us decipher how fast we are going!
-Ding
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He has a good point, y'know?
And, if all measurements are done in each nation's own markings, then will all of the labels in the cockpit need to be in that language also?
I may want to fly, say... a P-39, but I don't want to learn Russian to do it!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif)
-Freelancer
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Why not?
We learn english ;-)
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HEAR HEAR visconti (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Dingy : Does this mean that the Japanese planes will use Kanji or Kana characters? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
No,Dingy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Japanese plane uses Arbic numerals. But, the name of the gauge is written in Kanji (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
In addition, IJN planes like Zeke and N1K2-J uses knot (*NOT KM/H*) because they are Navy. IJA planes like Ki-43, Ki-61, K-84 uses KM/H.
I have a question. USN planes like F4U also uses Knot, I think, doesn't it?
[This message has been edited by nabe (edited 01-10-2000).]
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Hi nabe, thanks about gunsight problem (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
US Navy use "Knot" for speed.
Japanse Navy
Speed : Knot ( x10)
Climb : m/sec ( x1)
Alt : m ( x1000)
MP : mmhg ( x10 0=airpressure)
Japanese Army
Speed : km/h ( x10)
Climb : m/sec ( x1)
Alt : m ( x100)
MP : mmhg ( x10 0=airpressure)
Luftwaffe
Speed : km/h ( x1)
Climb : m/sec ( x1)
Alt : km ( x1)
MP : ATA ( x1 1=airpressure) (=atm?)
[This message has been edited by meza (edited 01-10-2000).]
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Yes the F4U used Knots per hour. I would love to see this change to that instead of MPH as it would give a better Idea on how the plane performed without having to convert figures from one to the other (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Rocket
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Why we won't be doing different units for gauges.
1. Most people do not convert between units intuitivly in there head. Therefore to have to think in different units when flying different planes is pretty much a pain. It realy adds nothing to your acm/dogfighting fun. It does add some imersion factor to the plane but in my view the imersion dosn't out way the pain.
2. Adds confusion to communication with other players. Bogie at 5k. What does that meen unless you know what units the other guy is using?
3. When we start posting stats on each airplane what units do we use? Ends up makeing plane comparison more difficult, or makes more work for us to publish them in both units.
4. We could make all units metric, but the fact is most of our players do come from the US and english units are easest for them.
HiTech
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Thanks meza and rockets (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hi Hitech (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I can understand your opinion. I'm okey to use mph gauge now.
But I wish units become selectable in the future (or in two weeks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)).
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HTC the confusion factor between types is illusionary. Currently you use yards and it is completely understandable whether you think of it as a yard or meter. I happen to think of them as Meters because I am Canadian. but the difference is very slight between a yard an a meter, since your ditances are in thousands of yards represented as a k after the number and a kilometer is 1000 meters it still works (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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If your in range, so is the enemy.
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Thanks for the answer HiTech,
I want AH to be "Hard core sim".
Confusions from the different unit improve reality (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by meza (edited 01-11-2000).]
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1. Most people do not convert between units intuitivly in there head. Therefore to have to think in different units when flying different planes is pretty much a pain.
Yeah, but unlike yanks, I think everything in metric units. When I fly plane with imperial units I have to make the conversion anyway. I have no idea how high con is if somebody says it is in 23k.
So saying not using metric units takes away need for unit conversion in head is false. Many euro players must do the conversion if there are not metric units.
2. Adds confusion to communication with other players. Bogie at 5k. What does that meen unless you know what units the other guy is using?
I bet you can figure it out pretty easily if con is reported at 12k... And cases like that rare when compared to constant watchout for your own speed and alt.
3. When we start posting stats on each airplane what units do we use? Ends up makeing plane comparison more difficult, or makes more work for us to publish them in both units.
Looking comparison charts and checking alt or speed during the dogfight are totally different points. I can do the conversion when looking the chart but during the dogfight, well, it's not that simple.
4. We could make all units metric, but the fact is most of our players do come from the US and english units are easest for them.
So, the players who do not use imperial units should learn to use them? First film industry and now this, is there end for the cultural imperealism? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I still can't see the logic behind the decision. 3D cocpits with rendered instruments should be pretty easy to be configurable. Creating two new alternative meters and making a unit conversion does not sound like too much trouble if you can make a otherwise working flight simulator.
Why not let the player decide what units he wants to use?
I have flown almost a year in Warbirds Bf 109's and Fw 190's only which do have metric units and I have used to them.
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jochen
Geschwaderkommodore
Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) (Warbirds)
If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!
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Jochen, haven't you guys figured it out? The citizens of the US are cultural nazi's, just ask the French (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Seig Heil Mein Mickey Mouse !!!
Power to the McDonalds!!!
{For those that don't understand the concept of humor, I do not, or have never supported Fascism or the Nazi Party}
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I agree that conversion problems are illusionary. You relate the numbers (km/h, mph or whatever) to the specific planes and it does not matter which units are used. There is no need for any real time "in-head" conversion.
Detailes like this, and good sounds, are very important for the look and feel IMHO.
Bod
[This message has been edited by bod (edited 01-12-2000).]