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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: jdbecks on May 01, 2010, 07:01:07 PM
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Came accross the following site, and found some great info including Luftwaffe flight reports, speed charts, climb charts etc covering most of the 109 range, its quite interesting reading and got some great info.
http://www.kurfurst.org/
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Kuffie's site. He did get kicked out from this BB a few times. The love of the 109 caused some....very uncareful words.
Anyway, lots of data there.
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That is a nice site.
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Kuffie's site. He did get kicked out from this BB a few times. The love of the 109 caused some....very uncareful words.
Anyway, lots of data there.
Wasnt' just here - he got banned from posting on wikipedia. <shrug> Just an anglophobe lawyer with an agenda.
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Wooot? Banned from Wiki.
Maybe the selective data again? Or angry wording....
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Wooot? Banned from Wiki.
Maybe the selective data again? Or angry wording....
Angus, look up Me109 on Wiki and read the 'Discussion'.
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wait, so was he very pro 109 and tried to portray the plane to be better than it was in real life? or did he try to say it was worse?
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wait, so was he very pro 109 and tried to portray the plane to be better than it was in real life? or did he try to say it was worse?
Very pro. He cherry picked data make it look better.
IIRC he said things like the 109k had better range than a 51d with tanks... or something close to that.
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Very pro. He cherry picked data make it look better.
IIRC he said things like the 109k had better range than a 51d with tanks... or something close to that.
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Its a shame when people let feelings overcome the truth, it can really hurt ones credability
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:lol
Its a shame when people let feelings overcome the truth, it can really hurt ones credability
Actually, to me, out-right lying is better than twisting facts to create some sort of desperate alternate reality. I.e. grasping for whatever justification can be construed from a document because you believe its right, even if you can't find one shred of evidence to prove you're right. I'm a stubborn guy, no doubt I've proved that on these boards before. But, there's a difference between being stubborn and being obstinate.
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Well, his site does contain data, and not all of it favours the 109 that much. Look at my signature, - that is actually on the site.
I have little doubt though, that it is well picked generally. The 109F's performance looks a bit off, but yet I cannot find an explanation to it.
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If there is data available so shouldn't it all be presented, not just the best or the worst? From best and worst (or all that's available) you can make a more accurate estimate of the average than from just one source which cannot be related to anything? AFAIK it is hard to find exactly performing plane and average data.
How do you know if these guys at www.spitfireperformance.com have not hand picked their data to suit their "agenda" just as you suggest Kurfy did? Or does it just suit your agenda best? :lol
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If there is data available so shouldn't it all be presented, not just the best or the worst? From best and worst (or all that's available) you can make a more accurate estimate of the average than from just one source which cannot be related to anything? AFAIK it is hard to find exactly performing plane and average data.
How do you know if these guys at www.spitfireperformance.com have not hand picked their data to suit their "agenda" just as you suggest Kurfy did? Or does it just suit your agenda best? :lol
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Charge, Angus, I'm talking about his attitude, not his website. My post was to reinforce some of the other comments like Bronk's or
Scherf's...
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The attitude was at times quite terrible.
Anyway, it's good to look at both of those sites to build up your own database. After all, there are several copies of WW2 documents in there.
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How do you know if these guys at www.spitfireperformance.com have not hand picked their data to suit their "agenda" just as you suggest Kurfy did? Or does it just suit your agenda best? :lol
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One clue would be if they've been banned from any forums.
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Kurfurst tried to portray any and all British aircraft as useless hunks of garbage while never admitting to any of the shortcomings of the German aircraft, frequently outright lying about capabilities.
In one long bomber thread that turned to Mosquitoes, he expressed doubt that any Mosquito pilot aced while flying the Mosquito. He maintained that the Me410 (I like the Me410) had a much greater effect on the war and when I posted 418's record to refute the lack of Mosquito kills claim, he stated that 418's record proved how useless the Mosquito was and that any German unit would have far better record. That was pretty much when I was done with him. It really is a shame though as it would be extremely nice to have guys around who are as strong with the Luftwaffe as guys like Dan and Widewing are with the Allied stuff.
He either has an extremely bad grasp of history outside of the Luftwaffe units while thinking he knows it all or he knows he is lying and does so anyways. I'll leave it to you to decide which is worse.
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Kurfurst tried to portray any and all British aircraft as useless hunks of garbage while never admitting to any of the shortcomings of the German aircraft, frequently outright lying about capabilities.
In one long bomber thread that turned to Mosquitoes, he expressed doubt that any Mosquito pilot aced while flying the Mosquito. He maintained that the Me410 (I like the Me410) had a much greater effect on the war and when I posted 418's record to refute the lack of Mosquito kills claim, he stated that 418's record proved how useless the Mosquito was and that any German unit would have far better record. That was pretty much when I was done with him. It really is a shame though as it would be extremely nice to have guys around who are as strong with the Luftwaffe as guys like Dan and Widewing are with the Allied stuff.
He either has an extremely bad grasp of history outside of the Luftwaffe units while thinking he knows it all or he knows he is lying and does so anyways. I'll leave it to you to decide which is worse.
Karnak, not just British a/c, but anything British.
He doesn't like Slavs either.
His political affiliation, considering what he has written on other boards, must certainly be questioned.
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What does it have to do with anything what he thinks about Brit iron?
AFAIK he was kicked for being a major dik on this BBS.
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