Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: sparow on May 02, 2010, 06:19:41 PM
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Gentlemen,
Must thank you very much for including night time in this setup! It only lasts 5 minutes but, oh, they are intense! Already got two kills as a night-fighter! But mainly, I was missing it for a long time...
Cheers,
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:x next chance i get im going to AvA
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Get in there soon Bar! This setup is one of the AvA's best IMO.
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Get in there soon Bar! This setup is one of the AvA's best IMO.
definitely will!
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I sneaked away in a C47 as a BF110 found us NOE. Luckily dusk and darkness came! Haha.
Also loved the darkness/dusk as I intercepted an incoming ju88, shot off his two drones but lost visual on the pilot as he dove in low light conditionsn to bomb allied field. Ack pointed out his relative position, strained eyes to locate him, then found a ghostly figure flying low over the trees. Did not open up my fire till reight behind him because the guns would blind me from seeing him and if he were to jink, I'd lose sigh all over again. Well, he died.
Intense!
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is night time still here ? if so, for how long ?? I wanna try it!!!!! :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
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TOTALLY AWESOME!!!
Are the icons still turned off too?
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yes!
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Night lasts about 10 minutes from sunset to sunrise...it's not as hard as I thought it would be...just have to look for the "anomalies".
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we can make it longer.
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we can make it longer.
A little Shake Weight action?
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A little Shake Weight action?
:rofl I hope not...watching Jaeger do that would force me to poke my eyes out.
Does anyone want the night time to last longer? What about the clock settings, is the cycle too fast or too slow? I don't know what it is now but IMO the cycle needs to be slowed down a bit, perhaps to something like 2.5 hours to cycle through a full day from sunrise to sunrise with night time lasting 30 minutes...but that's just me and for some reason most days when I can get online, the arena is empty so I'm not getting a lot of time in there.
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:rofl I hope not...watching Jaeger do that would force me to poke my eyes out.
Does anyone want the night time to last longer? What about the clock settings, is the cycle too fast or too slow? I don't know what it is now but IMO the cycle needs to be slowed down a bit, perhaps to something like 2.5 hours to cycle through a full day from sunrise to sunrise with night time lasting 30 minutes...but that's just me and for some reason most days when I can get online, the arena is empty so I'm not getting a lot of time in there.
I personally like this suggestion :aok
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Sorry fellas, there are fewer of us hardcore enough to handle night actions in the AvA than there are other people that we must take into consideration.
Night is being disabled for a more subtle setting.
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Awww, no please don't disable the night?! :huh
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Awww, no please don't disable the night?! :huh
Yeah, I know...it's just another sore spot that has to be dealt with in a more subtle manner. It could end up being one of those "just for today" things based on whatever setup is running...and it would be announced too.
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It might be fun to have a 3 hour night time event in the next iteration of a European terrain if we can scrape enough reasonable substitutes together.
Mosquito night raids against the LW is always fun in the dark if the operations area is sufficiently restricted
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Hi Dawger!
I was the first to cheer night combat comeback but I'm aware that it's not appealing to everyone and it cannot be used at least while there is people that "cheats" tweaking the gamma...
So, it must be used in very short periods, in very special conditions... otherwise, it becomes a liability, instead of an asset and drive people away instead of pulling them in.
Just my $0,02 cheers,
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I am really looking forward to seeing the whole night scene getting a high priority in the future. I am visualizing ground flickering in the light of the burning towns and airfields. Searchlights lightning up the clouds. And perhaps some cities with a few lights here and there..
I really want to be a nightfighter, and I want to start my practice NOW! :rock :x :aok
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I am really looking forward to seeing the whole night scene getting a high priority in the future. I am visualizing ground flickering in the light of the burning towns and airfields. Searchlights lightning up the clouds. And perhaps some cities with a few lights here and there..
I really want to be a nightfighter, and I want to start my practice NOW! :rock :x :aok
No problem if you're also willing to have those instrument panel lights creating a soft glow that can be seen from different angles...and let's not forget the nav and landing lights...could be quite funny when people forget to turn that stuff off.
Night is as controversial as no enemy icons..."doesn't promote interaction" is the biggest argument...gamma manipulation is second.
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A 5 minute night flight is perfect for the arena as it adds another element to a bomber or C47 trying to sneak in, or just dogfighting. Can't wait to see more of the same again soon.
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A 5 minute night flight is perfect for the arena as it adds another element to a bomber or C47 trying to sneak in, or just dogfighting. Can't wait to see more of the same again soon.
I've noticed the current dar settings leave no room for bomber or goon ops. The past two setups the dar coverage is 100% of the map full dot coverage down to the deck.
While this makes it easy to find a fight it makes it hard on bomber guys much less C-47 drivers. There's just no stealth factor. I believe this was done to overcome radar porkers. Porking a radar to enable a raid or capture I see no problem with. Porking the dar just to be a PITA or for quick and easy attack points is something else. I wonder what you guys would think of going back to realistic radar but hardened a bit? I would think realistic radar settings would be better for bomber pilots than 5 minutes of darkness with the current dar settings where all you have to do is fly to the dot and look up or down day or night. What are your thoughts gldnbb?
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Does the CM setting to allow radar visible only from tower and not cockpit apply to both dot-dar and bar-dar? I think dot-dar/bar-dar from tower and only bar-dar when in cockpit would be a good balance. Also let's some play the role of ground-controller if they wanted.
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Does the CM setting to allow radar visible only from tower and not cockpit apply to both dot-dar and bar-dar? I think dot-dar/bar-dar from tower and only bar-dar when in cockpit would be a good balance. Also let's some play the role of ground-controller if they wanted.
I'm not sure on the CM settings but that's a good idea you have there.
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Does the CM setting to allow radar visible only from tower and not cockpit apply to both dot-dar and bar-dar? I think dot-dar/bar-dar from tower and only bar-dar when in cockpit would be a good balance. Also let's some play the role of ground-controller if they wanted.
That can be done.
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No problem if you're also willing to have those instrument panel lights creating a soft glow that can be seen from different angles...and let's not forget the nav and landing lights...could be quite funny when people forget to turn that stuff off.
Night is as controversial as no enemy icons..."doesn't promote interaction" is the biggest argument...gamma manipulation is second.
Oh yes, music to my ears. :x
I really want to have instrumentlights that people can forget to turn off, nav light and landing lights also. It is things I've missed in the other arenas as well. But if we get it in AvA I will be satisfied. :aok
Perhaps the AvA could become a testing arena for random weather too, even a change in weather across the map? It would be great for dragging more people into the arena I think, if they never knew what to expect in a way.. I know that would thrill me.
Perhaps we could even get thunderstorms building up where the cold and warm fronts meet.. A complete weathersystem within a few years.. :aok :D
Well, lets atleast keep the night for a starter.. :pray
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Very nice idea Bug! I like it. DAR, DAR/BAR, hardened antennas, 5 minutes of night every hour... Maybe some low, heavy clouds circling the map... Looks nice...
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Clouds and fog I think can be easily done to varying degrees. Would be very cool on certain terrains where it would be fitting.
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Does the CM setting to allow radar visible only from tower and not cockpit apply to both dot-dar and bar-dar? I think dot-dar/bar-dar from tower and only bar-dar when in cockpit would be a good balance. Also let's some play the role of ground-controller if they wanted.
Yes! And is currently in use in Warbirds WWII (minus the dar bar). It only takes about 30 seconds or a minute for someone to hang in tower and provide radar reports. However AH dar bar would allow for guys inflight with low numbers to head to a reported area and then search for them.... Camraderie in Warbirds WWII arena always have guys in the tower vectoring others to the enemy. In fact, some people walk into the WWII warbirds arena from the main arena and enjoy that format.
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one word... GAMMA :aok
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Clouds and fog I think can be easily done to varying degrees. Would be very cool on certain terrains where it would be fitting.
Just adjust the day sky/fog & cloud color settings in the Arena Settings menu to greyish colortones and we have overcast. I have that setting in my offline mode, and it looks alot better than the bright blue sky I think. Looks more realistic too..
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Just adjust the day sky/fog & cloud color settings in the Arena Settings menu to greyish colortones and we have overcast. I have that setting in my offline mode, and it looks alot better than the bright blue sky I think. Looks more realistic too..
What terrain. You wouldn't want that for a summer in N.Africa setup.
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What terrain. You wouldn't want that for a summer in N.Africa setup.
No, its most suitable for the European looking terrains I think.. For those kind of terrains I really like the settings USRanger uses for some of his offline missions. :aok
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I've noticed the current dar settings leave no room for bomber or goon ops. The past two setups the dar coverage is 100% of the map full dot coverage down to the deck.
While this makes it easy to find a fight it makes it hard on bomber guys much less C-47 drivers. There's just no stealth factor. I believe this was done to overcome radar porkers. Porking a radar to enable a raid or capture I see no problem with. Porking the dar just to be a PITA or for quick and easy attack points is something else. I wonder what you guys would think of going back to realistic radar but hardened a bit? I would think realistic radar settings would be better for bomber pilots than 5 minutes of darkness with the current dar settings where all you have to do is fly to the dot and look up or down day or night. What are your thoughts gldnbb?
Being accustomed to Warbirds WWII settings where there is no inflight radar at all and you have to rely on someone in tower to vector you to a fight, I would support your suggestion of having more realistic radar settings, maybe just dar-bar in the sector to accomodate the less-hardliners looking for a fight but give enough mystery for them to find the bandit or the bomber.
However I've heard repeatedly that the AvA is not really set up for realistic bombing of fields or set up as a base capture objective. So I don't know if they'll flex outside of only accomodating to find a dogfight. I really like wwii aspects, but that objective then makes it useless to even have bombers / troops enabled at all.
If possible to implement: I'm all for eliminating inflight dot dar below 200 feet for the c47 at the very very least.
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Get in there soon Bar! This setup is one of the AvA's best IMO.
AGREED!!! I flew in last night for the first time and it was a blast. I think I may have gotten only one kill all night and never landed (not much change there :D)but it was still a lot of fun. Having no icon keeps everyone down in the weeds trying to keep the enemy above the horizon. I cant tell you how many times I was whipping my head around trying to keeps eyes on two cons and losing one in the landscape. Or following a 47 down and trying to keep eyes on him as he ducked around trees and hills. Pretty realistic with the weather in there as well. Just awesome. Hats off to the AVA.
:rock
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If possible to implement: I'm all for eliminating inflight dot dar below 200 feet for the c47 at the very very least.
its set for 250 for all planes. it can't be done on a plane by plane basis.
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AGREED!!! I flew in last night for the first time and it was a blast. I think I may have gotten only one kill all night and never landed (not much change there :D)but it was still a lot of fun. Having no icon keeps everyone down in the weeds trying to keep the enemy above the horizon. I cant tell you how many times I was whipping my head around trying to keeps eyes on two cons and losing one in the landscape. Or following a 47 down and trying to keep eyes on him as he ducked around trees and hills. Pretty realistic with the weather in there as well. Just awesome. Hats off to the AVA.
:rock
Jappa,
Glad that you made it! I would like to ask, what prompted you to come in and take a peek?
- Number of players was 6 or more?
- Was curious about what you had heard?
- Was invited to stop in and see?
- Heard about no enemy icons?
- Heard about historical matchups?
- Was looking for an alternative to main arenas and dueling arena?
- Had never seen night time in Aces High?
- Other?
Not everyone has such a gleaming :angel: opinion the first time they fly in the arena. You description of how you adjusted to the settings and took on the challenge is quite commendable.
This has been a slow process of building up a community that is willing to fly in an arena where no wars are won, planes are limited and also assigned to countries, and no accumulation of perk points are awarded for victories.
The numbers of active players in the arena does not reflect the number of players looking for a challenge that is closer to WW2 simulation. It does reflect the number willing to devote a portion of their $15 investment waiting on others to join the arena to get things started. The only positive reinforcement comes from sharing good times with other like minded individuals.
Please help us to get the word out. Just invite one friend to come in with you, even if the arena is empty. Actively explore the best area to dogfight each other. Do this for 5 minutes, and I will bet you $15 that more will come in and in a matter of 10 to 15 minutes, you will have more action than you could ask for.
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Well.....
•Number of players was 6 or more? Yeah I think there were 6 in when my wing and I joined.
•Was curious about what you had heard? Yes
•Was invited to stop in and see? not really
•Heard about no enemy icons? Yes, I really enjoy the low or no enemy icons.
•Heard about historical matchups? I remember this from before. Ive enjoyed most of the setups that Ive seen in there.
•Was looking for an alternative to main arenas and dueling arena? Always :)
•Had never seen night time in Aces High? Once in a snapshot we started at night and flew two sorites. The second we lifted in A8s just as the sun rose. was very cool.
•Other?
I really enjoyed this set up and love to see more but im a bit biased. Puma44 and I have been flying for over a year using a lot of the real world type tactics. Brings another dimension to the game for me. We dont rack up a bunch of kills but thats not what is important to us atm. So the added realism of no icons is a much welcomed change from the MA were I find myself watching the range ticker half the time and the wings the other...
I think you will see much more of Puma and I :salute